Direction for learning Jewish laws and life?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

what so bad in israeli schools? i think we are the only country in the world were bible is a requirement for a matriculum.

Yes, the problem is they don't have a proper understanding of the "Bible" and they don't teach a proper or sufficient understanding of it.   So they teach it, but they teach it incorrectly.   Hardly a positive thing.

And while Israel may be the only State-mandated public school system that requires it, surely religious day schools and yeshivas throughout the world require it for graduation, and yet unlike Israeli public schools, in the Jewish schools they hire rabbis and orthodox educators to teach the Torah properly, whether the students follow it or not.  So I fail to see how this meaningless statistic you give us is relevant to the subject at hand.

[Ben m]

what so bad in israeli schools? i think we are the only country in the world were bible is a requirement for a matriculum.

Yes, the problem is they don't have a proper understanding of the "Bible" and they don't teach a proper or sufficient understanding of it.   So they teach it, but they teach it incorrectly.   Hardly a positive thing.

And while Israel may be the only State-mandated public school system that requires it, surely religious day schools and yeshivas throughout the world require it for graduation, and yet unlike Israeli public schools, in the Jewish schools they hire rabbis and orthodox educators to teach the Torah properly, whether the students follow it or not.  So I fail to see how this meaningless statistic you give us is relevant to the subject at hand.

actually most of the bible teacher in israel are orthodox.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

what so bad in israeli schools? i think we are the only country in the world were bible is a requirement for a matriculum.

Yes, the problem is they don't have a proper understanding of the "Bible" and they don't teach a proper or sufficient understanding of it.   So they teach it, but they teach it incorrectly.   Hardly a positive thing.

And while Israel may be the only State-mandated public school system that requires it, surely religious day schools and yeshivas throughout the world require it for graduation, and yet unlike Israeli public schools, in the Jewish schools they hire rabbis and orthodox educators to teach the Torah properly, whether the students follow it or not.  So I fail to see how this meaningless statistic you give us is relevant to the subject at hand.

actually most of the bible teacher in israel are orthodox.

People I know are taught by guys with bald heads and women who are not religious and they teach torah to mixed classes with girls wearing next to nothing but on top of it all they teach it incorrectly.  Maybe you have an incorrect definition of orthodox, too.

[Ben m]

what so bad in israeli schools? i think we are the only country in the world were bible is a requirement for a matriculum.

Yes, the problem is they don't have a proper understanding of the "Bible" and they don't teach a proper or sufficient understanding of it.   So they teach it, but they teach it incorrectly.   Hardly a positive thing.

And while Israel may be the only State-mandated public school system that requires it, surely religious day schools and yeshivas throughout the world require it for graduation, and yet unlike Israeli public schools, in the Jewish schools they hire rabbis and orthodox educators to teach the Torah properly, whether the students follow it or not.  So I fail to see how this meaningless statistic you give us is relevant to the subject at hand.

actually most of the bible teacher in israel are orthodox.

People I know are taught by guys with bald heads and women who are not religious and they teach torah to mixed classes with girls wearing next to nothing but on top of it all they teach it incorrectly.  Maybe you have an incorrect definition of orthodox, too.

ammmmmm no.he isn't haredi but heis extremely religious.maybe even more than chaim and ron.

[muman613]

What do you mean 'extremely religious'?

A Jew either does mitzvahs, observes Halacha, or he or she doesn't. A Jew must have actions to back up his beliefs...

I agree that most secular religious studies teachers will not teach the subject correctly. Only a Rabbi who has studied at a Yeshiva and obtained an Orthodox Smicha can be considered authentic Jewish faith.

[Ben m]

What do you mean 'extremely religious'?

A Jew either does mitzvahs, observes Halacha, or he or she doesn't. A Jew must have actions to back up his beliefs...

I agree that most secular religious studies teachers will not teach the subject correctly. Only a Rabbi who has studied at a Yeshiva and obtained an Orthodox Smicha can be considered authentic Jewish faith.

in extremely religious i mean one with kipa and education in jewish topics.and one that goes for the rabbi for every little question.

[muman613]

What do you mean 'extremely religious'?

A Jew either does mitzvahs, observes Halacha, or he or she doesn't. A Jew must have actions to back up his beliefs...

I agree that most secular religious studies teachers will not teach the subject correctly. Only a Rabbi who has studied at a Yeshiva and obtained an Orthodox Smicha can be considered authentic Jewish faith.

in extremely religious i mean one with kipa and education in jewish topics.and one that goes for the rabbi for every little question.

Ben,

I have softened to you over the last couple of weeks... But I wonder, if you had such a teacher, why did you not learn anything from him? I know you have learned a lot since you have joined JTF and I hope you have the desire to learn more about Judaism... I don't know if your Bible teacher did a good job if you suggested here before that King David was a murderer and a rapist, amongst other lashon hara you spoke against him... You have also exhibited a lot of misunderstanding about Jewish writings.

I know that you are working on it so I will not be judgemental...

[Ben m]

What do you mean 'extremely religious'?

A Jew either does mitzvahs, observes Halacha, or he or she doesn't. A Jew must have actions to back up his beliefs...

I agree that most secular religious studies teachers will not teach the subject correctly. Only a Rabbi who has studied at a Yeshiva and obtained an Orthodox Smicha can be considered authentic Jewish faith.

in extremely religious i mean one with kipa and education in jewish topics.and one that goes for the rabbi for every little question.

Ben,

I have softened to you over the last couple of weeks... But I wonder, if you had such a teacher, why did you not learn anything from him? I know you have learned a lot since you have joined JTF and I hope you have the desire to learn more about Judaism... I don't know if your Bible teacher did a good job if you suggested here before that King David was a murderer and a rapist, amongst other lashon hara you spoke against him... You have also exhibited a lot of misunderstanding about Jewish writings.

I know that you are working on it so I will not be judgemental...

i only repeated what was i told in the education system.

[muman613]

What do you mean 'extremely religious'?

A Jew either does mitzvahs, observes Halacha, or he or she doesn't. A Jew must have actions to back up his beliefs...

I agree that most secular religious studies teachers will not teach the subject correctly. Only a Rabbi who has studied at a Yeshiva and obtained an Orthodox Smicha can be considered authentic Jewish faith.

in extremely religious i mean one with kipa and education in jewish topics.and one that goes for the rabbi for every little question.

Ben,

I have softened to you over the last couple of weeks... But I wonder, if you had such a teacher, why did you not learn anything from him? I know you have learned a lot since you have joined JTF and I hope you have the desire to learn more about Judaism... I don't know if your Bible teacher did a good job if you suggested here before that King David was a murderer and a rapist, amongst other lashon hara you spoke against him... You have also exhibited a lot of misunderstanding about Jewish writings.

I know that you are working on it so I will not be judgemental...

i only repeated what was i told in the education system.

Which is KWRBTs point... What you were taught is not Jewish...

[Ben m]

What do you mean 'extremely religious'?

A Jew either does mitzvahs, observes Halacha, or he or she doesn't. A Jew must have actions to back up his beliefs...

I agree that most secular religious studies teachers will not teach the subject correctly. Only a Rabbi who has studied at a Yeshiva and obtained an Orthodox Smicha can be considered authentic Jewish faith.

in extremely religious i mean one with kipa and education in jewish topics.and one that goes for the rabbi for every little question.

Ben,

I have softened to you over the last couple of weeks... But I wonder, if you had such a teacher, why did you not learn anything from him? I know you have learned a lot since you have joined JTF and I hope you have the desire to learn more about Judaism... I don't know if your Bible teacher did a good job if you suggested here before that King David was a murderer and a rapist, amongst other lashon hara you spoke against him... You have also exhibited a lot of misunderstanding about Jewish writings.

I know that you are working on it so I will not be judgemental...

i only repeated what was i told in the education system.

Which is KWRBTs point... What you were taught is not Jewish...

okay.i think that kwrbt's point was a little different but let's stick on that.