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Rudy on Israel
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:13:52 AM »
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"Hamas or Abbas, It Makes No Difference," Rudy Giuliani Says, No Israeli Concessions until the Arabs Stop Terrorism
 By Susan Rosenbluth, Editor
The Jewish Voice and Opinion
Englewood, NJ 07631

April 2007

Rudy Giuliani doesn’t care whether the Palestinian government is run by Hamas, which is recognized by the US as a terrorist organization, or Mahmoud Abbas, the chairman of Fatah who is regarded by the Bush administration as a moderate.

"Hamas or Abbas, it makes no difference. The ball is in their court, and we just have to show patience and not push any peace process until they do what they have to do," said Mr. Giuliani.

What they have to do, he said, is, at the very minimum, to recognize Israel’s right to exist and to renounce terrorism. Then, he said, Israel and the US should sit back and see if they mean it.

"They don’t just have to say the words. Anyone can say the words. They have to show that they are ending terrorism; they have to show that they are doing what they have to do to end terrorism. I’m a strong proponent of the philosophy that we can trust, but we have to verify," he said. "If all that happens, then it will lead naturally to a peace process, but we have to wait patiently until they are ready to make it happen. And no one should make any concessions to the Palestinians until they take those steps."

Mr. Giuliani, the former New York mayor who is now an all-but-declared Republican candidate for President, made his remarks on March 27 at a fundraiser organized by his exploratory committee in New Jersey in cooperation with NORPAC at the Englewood home of Rabbi and Mrs. Shmuley Boteach.

Understanding Terrorism

Mr. Giuliani told his supporters he was running for President because he believes he understands terrorism better than any other candidate currently running to hold the office.

He pointed out that, as far as he is concerned, Islamist terrorism against the West began in 1972 at the Munich Olympics when Palestinian terrorists kidnapped and murdered 11 Israeli athletes.

He said he remembered being appalled when the German authorities, who had arrested some of the terrorists, quickly released them. "They let them go because they were afraid if they did not, there would be more terrorist attacks in Germany," he said, pointing out that many European countries followed Germany’s example.

Leon Klinghoffer

He found it especially galling, he said, when Italian authorities released the murderers of Leon Klinghoffer, the 69-year-old disabled New Yorker who was murdered by Palestinian terrorists who had hijacked the Achille Lauro cruise ship in 1985.

"The Italians captured the terrorists and then released them two hours later, because they were afraid," said Mr. Giuliani.

As a US Attorney in the Reagan administration, Mr. Giuliani investigated the Klinghoffer case, and, he said, he became convinced that Yasir Arafat personally was responsible for the murder.

Ten years later, as mayor of New York, Mr. Giuliani threw Mr. Arafat out of a concert he was hosting at Lincoln Center for world leaders who were in Manhattan to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the UN. "I didn’t forget what he had done to Leon Klinghoffer," said Mr. Giuliani.

Oslo Mistakes

He called the concessions Israel was forced to make as part of the Oslo process before the Palestinians fulfilled any of their requirements, "mistakes."

"The US pushed Israel to make concessions, and it didn’t matter that the Palestinians did nothing to live up to their end of the bargain. This was wrong and we should never do it again," he said.

He maintained that, since 9-11, the vast majority of Americans feel an increased kinship with Israel.

"We must never be on the defense against terrorism. Never again. We must always be on the offense, never acquiescing, always doing what we have to do to keep our country safe and strong," he said.

Noah’s Ark

Before arriving at the Boteach home, Mr. Giuliani met with supporters for an impromptu dinner at Noah’s Ark kosher restaurant on Cedar Lane in Teaneck.

Asked for his views on Iran and Iraq, he said his primary policy is that "you don’t make concessions to people who are trying to kill you."

"I like the approach taken by Ronald Reagan, that we will gain peace only through strength. If we show weakness in Iraq, it will affect our ability to handle Iran, and that would be dangerous," he said.

He said he hoped President Bush would veto the Democrats’ bill to set a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. "We must support our troops who are in Iraq on a mission against terrorism," he said. "Their job is to make sure Iraq becomes a bulwark against terrorism rather than a haven for terrorists."

"Clear, Hold, Build"

He offered a formula for success in Iraq: "clear, hold, and build."

By clear, he said, he meant "pacify." "Hold," he said, means to keep it that way. And "build," he said, means to encourage the Iraqis to take charge and reconstruct their country as a free democracy.

He insisted that while a variety of tactics should be employed to prompt the mullahs in Iran to eschew their efforts to develop nuclear weapons, the military option should not be taken off the table.

"The US must make it clear that, under no circumstances, will Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. Going to war with Iran would be terrible. The only thing that would be worse would be allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons," he said.

He dismissed the arguments of those who say the US should be able to contain a nuclear-armed Iran, just as the US contained the former Soviet Union and China during the Cold War. The Islamofascists, he said, "are a different kind of enemy."

"The communists in the Soviet Union and China were terrible, but didn’t make plans to come here to kill us. They didn’t send suicide bombers," he said.

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Re: Rudy on Israel
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2007, 09:41:11 AM »
In as much that jtf does not agree with Rudy's domestic policies, I think he is the most viable candidate for president..he has my vote..no doubt.  He believes that the problems began in 1972...someone needs to educate him that it began with Ishmael when Isacc was a baby!
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Re: Rudy on Israel
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2007, 09:43:58 AM »
I think he means the modern problem ,although i think it began with the cockaroach that killed robert kennedy  Sirhan
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2007, 10:46:59 AM »
In as much that jtf does not agree with Rudy's domestic policies, I think he is the most viable candidate for president..he has my vote..no doubt.  He believes that the problems began in 1972...someone needs to educate him that it began with Ishmael when Isacc was a baby!


What happened in 1972?

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Re: Rudy on Israel
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2007, 10:51:01 AM »
Sirhan Sirhan a Arab assasinated Robert Kennedy during the nomination period
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 10:51:12 AM »
when moslem terrorists shot and killed part of the Israeli olympic team in munich bavaria
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Re: Rudy on Israel
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2007, 10:54:08 AM »
I like Rudy...BUT...I have to wonder how much better than Bush he would be.

Plus...as far as domestic policy is concerned...I have to wonder about his gun policies and his pro-choice stance.

(Not that Bush's "pro-life" stance has done America much good.)
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Re: Rudy on Israel
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2007, 12:08:47 PM »
get over the abortion issue for now...let's worry about people who currently living and currently born into the world and not a fetus that isnt' born yet..we have bigger issues than abortion to worry about..let's perfect peoples' hearts first.
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Re: Rudy on Israel
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2007, 02:43:29 PM »
get over the abortion issue for now...let's worry about people who currently living and currently born into the world and not a fetus that isnt' born yet..we have bigger issues than abortion to worry about..let's perfect peoples' hearts first.


It wouldn't be a bad thing if the Nancy Pelosi support group were to have abortions.