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Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« on: January 28, 2010, 02:56:46 PM »
As I said about the 'pregnant man' story, these people are getting sicker and sicker and society is allowing it, if not awarding sick behavior. What happened to the mental health specialists who could help people with such mental illnesses? What ever happened to the health profession working to resolve the abnormal and perverted issues which cause people to act so strangely? Morality has gone out the window in favor of allowing everyone to do anything they want to their body with no regard to society at large.

Read this story and become disgusted like I am:


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Is a 16-year-old too young for a sex change?

The British press are spreading the news about a 16-year-old boy who is hoping to become the country's youngest sex change patient. This very delicate, sensitive issue is becoming a hot topic, and people around the world are chiming in on this teen's very personal decision.

Bradley Cooper, who goes by Ria, has been applying his mother's lipstick and dressing up in her clothes since he was 12 years old. He's now training to be a hair stylist.

A psychologist says Cooper would benefit from a sex change, and the teen believes he's ready to undergo the life-changing procedure.

Cooper told the Daily Mail, "I hate my body as it is now. I've known for years I'm a woman -- I think and act like a woman, not a man. I don't want years of misery. I want it done as soon as possible so I can be the person physically that I am on the inside."

Britain's National Healthcare System (NHS) was said to have agreed to fund the operation costing $16,000 (10,000 pounds) because a psychologist has recommended it and Cooper's single mom can't afford to pay for it herself. But now many are saying Cooper shouldn't have the procedure.

The TaxPayer's Alliance is saying that the expense can't be justified when the NHS is turning down requests for expensive cancer treatments that could potentially save dying children's lives.

And many experts are saying that Cooper is too young to make this decision. Miranda Ponsonby, a former member of the Household Cavalry who had a sex change from male to female at 56, told the Daily Mail, "The problem in undergoing surgery so young is that the person involved may not have had long enough to come terms with who they are.

"They might think they know their own mind but teenagers are so impressionable, and they may have got this thought into their heads through the people they have been mixing with.

"Once they've had the surgery it is too late, and they'll end up no happier than they were beforehand if they think they have made a mistake."

Some studies have found that children who show transgender tendencies and who express a desire to be the opposite sex, end up being gay and happy with their gender as an adult. But Cooper is a teenager and so he may be at that point when he's ready to make a final decision.

Last January, a German teenager, Kim Petras (born Tim), was the world's youngest person to undergo a sex change. She was 16 at the time, and she is now an aspiring pop star.

What do you think? Is a 16-year-old too young to make a decision about having a sex change?
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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 02:58:49 PM »
Maybe I should have an operation to have wings attached to my back so that I can fly... It is so unfair that I can't fly? And I am so depressed because I cant flitter around like a butterfly.... Oh the anguish... I need to have wings...

What I am saying is that we each are dealt our life and we must accept the life which we have. This world has become so selfish and MEMEMEMEME that a boy will feel depressed because he is not a girl. There are many things which I feel deprived of in this world but I am a man and I am happy for the situation I have been dealt. I don't feel I have any rights, but responsibilities.... These kids and hedonistic adults are suffering from a severe depression and mental illness.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 03:04:01 PM »
Muman, you are right. This is indeed disgusting. I have rebelled against my parents by doing wassails with my friends. Today I am ashamed of it.

This kind of people are totally out of controll. Homosexuality, transgendering and converting to Islam is imo the new fashion. It shows clearly how the frontier of evil is moving towards Sodom & Gomorrah in our societies.
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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 03:17:54 PM »
Better be careful spreading this message. You'll get these sicko's joining the movement.  :yuck: :yuck:
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 03:18:00 PM »
The present day opinion of psychiatry according to the DSM IV-R is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness.  I think there is some talk of this being changed in DSM V which was to have already been released.  Homosexuality has not been classified as a mental disorder in psychiatry for almost 40 years.  I know people in this forum disagree with that position.  

The only thing I would say in support of these people is that they all state that they never felt comfortable being their assigned gender at very early ages, like 3 and 4 years old.  I am not saying JTF should agree with these people or state that what they are doing is ok with respect to biblical teachings.  This is a Biblically based forum and as such that needs to be respected when it comes to people's beliefs.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 03:18:35 PM »
Ulli, what is a wassail?

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 03:20:48 PM »
Yeah Muman, I totally agree with your mememememe statement. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 03:21:54 PM »
The present day opinion of psychiatry according to the DSM IV-R is that gender identity disorder is a mental illness.  I think there is some talk of this being changed in DSM V which was to have already been released.  Homosexuality has not been classified as a mental disorder in psychiatry for almost 40 years.  I know people in this forum disagree with that position.  

The only thing I would say in support of these people is that they all state that they never felt comfortable being their assigned gender at very early ages, like 3 and 4 years old.  I am not saying JTF should agree with these people or state that what they are doing is ok with respect to biblical teachings.  This is a Biblically based forum and as such that needs to be respected when it comes to people's beliefs.
These are not sane people so why should I respect the insane sicko's?
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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 03:24:16 PM »
Well is there a way that mental health specialists can help him out to accept being a man?
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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 03:27:14 PM »
Well is there a way that mental health specialists can help him out to accept being a man?
A psychologist says Cooper would benefit from a sex change, and the teen believes he's ready to undergo the life-changing procedure.
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 03:32:10 PM »
Irish,

I'm not saying that you should respect their choice.  I think I'm just saying that I believe that this person did not go out of their way to be evil or different. I do believe that he/she is miserable within their own skin.


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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 03:33:14 PM »
Well is there a way that mental health specialists can help him out to accept being a man?
A psychologist says Cooper would benefit from a sex change, and the teen believes he's ready to undergo the life-changing procedure.

And we all know that psychologists know it all...

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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2010, 03:34:40 PM »
Irish,

I'm not saying that you should respect their choice.  I think I'm just saying that I believe that this person did not go out of their way to be evil or different. I do believe that he/she is miserable within their own skin.



It is a mental illness... The same with other mental illnessess such as bolemia and anorexia...

I have known women who constantly think they are fat and stop eating to the point where they are skeletal.... This is a mental illness..
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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 03:35:08 PM »
Irish,

I'm not saying that you should respect their choice.  I think I'm just saying that I believe that this person did not go out of their way to be evil or different. I do believe that he/she is miserable within their own skin.


Then I have to blame the way his evil parents brought him up.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2010, 03:36:19 PM »
That's a good question Confederate Kahanist.  

I know the latest biological research shows that there are structural brain differences in the brains of people who say they are transssexuals.  It is usually some part of the hypothalamus that is partially responsible for the control of sexual behavior.  Let me go find the info and a link to a respected journal article.

Again, this is not the Biblical position.

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2010, 03:37:06 PM »
I vote for mental asylums to be reopened for these sick freaks.
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2010, 03:45:34 PM »
From the British Medical Journal Brain (9/2008)


A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate
nucleus: relationship to gender identity
Alicia Garcia-Falgueras1,2 and Dick F. Swaab1
1Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience, an Institute of the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences,
The Netherlands and 2Departamento de Psicobiologi¤a de la Universidad Nacional de Educacio¤n a Distancia, Madrid, Spain
Correspondence to: Dick F. Swaab, MD, PhD, Professor of Neurobiology, Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience,
Meibergdreef 47, 1105 BA Amsterdam, The Netherlands
E-mail: [email protected]

Transsexuality is an individual’s unshakable conviction of belonging to the opposite sex, resulting in a request for
sex-reassignment surgery.We have shown previously that the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis (BSTc) is female
in size and neuron number in male-to-female transsexual people. In the present study we investigated the
hypothalamic uncinate nucleus, which is composed of two subnuclei, namely interstitial nucleus of the anterior
hypothalamus (INAH) 3 and 4. Post-mortembrainmaterial was used from 42 subjects: 14 controlmales, 11 control
females, 11male-to-female transsexual people, 1 female-to-male transsexual subject and 5 non-transsexual
subjects whowere castrated because of prostate cancer.To identify and delineate the nuclei and determine their
volume and shape we used three different stainings throughout the nuclei in every 15th section, i.e. thionin,
neuropeptide Y and synaptophysin, using an image analysis system. The most pronounced differences were
found in the INAH3 subnucleus. Its volume in thionin sections was 1.9 times larger in control males than in
females (P_0.013) and contained 2.3 times as many cells (P_0.002).We showed for the first time that INAH3
volume and number of neurons of male-to-female transsexual people is similar to that of control females.The
female-to-male transsexual subject had an INAH3 volume and number of neurons within the male control
range, even though the treatment with testosterone had been stopped three years before death.The castrated
men had an INAH3 volume and neuron number that was intermediate between males (volume and number of
neurons P`0.117) and females (volume P`0.245 and number of neurons P`0.341).There was no difference in
INAH3 between pre-and post-menopausal women, either in the volume (P`0.84) or in the number of neurons
(P_0.439), indicating that the feminization of the INAH3 of male-to-female transsexuals was not due to estrogen
treatment.We propose that the sex reversal of the INAH3 in transsexual people is at least partly a marker
of an early atypical sexual differentiation of the brain and that the changes in INAH3 and the BSTc may belong
to a complex network that may structurally and functionally be related to gender identity.

Conclusion:  Our data reveal a sex-atypical INAH3 volume and neuron
number in transsexual male-to-female people to be in the
female range, while the values of a female-to-male subject
were in the male range. Differences in adult testosterone
levels can only partly explain the observed differences in the
INAH3 subdivision of transsexual people while estrogen
levels do not seem to have an influence. In male-to-female
subjects the number of neurons in the INAH3 does not
seem to be related to sexual orientation, nor to the onset
time of transsexuality, but rather to atypical early femalebiased
gender. The differences observed between the INAH3
structure, its innervation in relation to sexual orientation
and gender identity and its putative connection to the BSTc
suggest that these two nuclei, together with the SDN-POA
(= intermediate nucleus, = INAH1 and 2) and the SCN
(Swaab et al., 1985) are part of a complex network involved
in various aspects of sexual behaviour. For the INAH4
subdivision of the uncinate nucleus, the only difference
found among the groups was in relation to its shape, which
was similar in all genetically male groups studied

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Re: Sick 16yo wants sex change operation!!
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2010, 03:47:40 PM »
Ulli, what is a wassail?

If you come together with friends and drink lots of wine or other alcoholic beverages.
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2010, 03:49:31 PM »
Ahh, ok thanks Ulli.


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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2010, 03:49:56 PM »
Ulli, what is a wassail?

If you come together with friends and drink lots of wine or other alcoholic beverages.
Thats called going to the pub.  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 03:54:22 PM »
So Irish Zionist,

This is the key point of all of that :

"The most pronounced differences were found in the INAH3 subnucleus. Its volume in thionin sections was 1.9 times larger in control males than in females (P_0.013) and contained 2.3 times as many cells (P_0.002).We showed for the first time that INAH3 volume and number of neurons of male-to-female transsexual people is similar to that of control females."

By the way, this proposed biological difference does not excuse people for being outrageously irresponsible and selfish
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 05:10:04 PM »
I think there could be research done into how to help people be more at peace with the bodies they have, given that there are there are these measurable brain differences, but unfortunately it seems like psychologists are unwilling to do so. They want the easiest "cure".

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2010, 08:51:11 AM »

Wait, lets see, cure children with cancer or give this kid a vagina...we'll give him a vagina.
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2010, 09:18:22 AM »
I was watching a show on National Geographic last night that had a man on there with a disorder called BIID.

People with this disorder feel that one or more of their limbs does not belong to their body. They feel like it's an alien thing that doesn't belong there and they feel a compulsion to cut it off or get rid of it somehow. They feel this way from the time they are small children.

Sadly the guy in the story couldn't deal with his feelings any other way than to seriously damage his leg by freezing it with chemical ice so that it had to be amputated by doctors. Now that the surgery is done he's very happy and at peace and ironically feels more "whole" as an amputee.

The fascinating thing about this disorder to me is that they were comparing it directly with transgender people who don't feel at home in their bodies or feel like they have the wrong body.

I had to feel a little frustrated though because the psychiatrists were on there talking about how they'd like to learn to help these people learn to accept their limbs as part of their bodies but they never suggested that a similar type of treatment could help transgender people.

Right now the only thing that really seems to bring relief for BIID sufferers is amputation.

I really think BIID is the key here after seeing the program. If a way could be found to help them I think there could be real help one day for transgender people without surgery.

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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2010, 11:16:32 AM »
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Britain's National Healthcare System (NHS) was said to have agreed to fund the operation costing $16,000 (10,000 pounds) because a psychologist has recommended it and Cooper's single mom can't afford to pay for it herself. But now many are saying Cooper shouldn't have the procedure.

The TaxPayer's Alliance is saying that the expense can't be justified when the NHS is turning down requests for expensive cancer treatments that could potentially save dying children's lives.

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