The Lost Tribes of Israel What happend to them?

[BabylonianJew]

The Lost Tribes of Israel has been cited by many Anti-Semities , for example many of those of European decent state they are the lost tribes of Israel and of Israelite stock, and todays Jews are posers and of Khazar-Edomite admixture. The Arabs state that Mizhari Jews are of Israelitie stock but not the Ashkenazi Jews who are of Khazar decent, and cite that modern day Kurds infact might be of Israelitie stock. According to Arab legend when the Assryians invaded Israel, and took the Northern tribes as captives into Assryia, they hint the term Kurd comes from TaKurado which means in Arabic the Exiled ones. Assryia was Northern Iraq, so if its possible that the Kurds are infact of Israelite stock. The Kurds might have intermarried with the Medians but, they show gentic similarity to the Shepardic Jews. When the Arabs invaded the region of Kurdistan, they infact stated that some practiced the Jaduic faith well others observed Yazadism a religion similar to Zorazersterian faith. The Berber tribes of Libya, and Tunisa also followed the Jaudic faith, and claimed decent from the tribe of LeVi, and ancient Hebraic costume is apparent. The Berbers have been influneced by Phoncieans,Romans,Greeks, and the later Germanic tribes who intermarried with some Berber groups creating the Riffians Berbers who are part Nordic mixed with a Berberid race, and later the Berbers were influneced by the Arab invaders who intermarried with creating The Moorish conqueres of Southern Europe, for example Tariq Ibn Zayed born to Berber father/Arab mother, and vice versa Arab fathers/Berber women.  Arabs themselves might have Israelite ancestory, recent gentic studies showed Palestineans have more relations to Jews than to their Arab neighbours, and they carried the Cohen gene. So what happened to the lost tribes? My theory is that the Berbers,Kurds,Arabs, and the Indian Jews are indeed lost tribes of Israel. Europeans and Africans are not the lost tribes of Israel, but are posers.

[Fruit of thy loins]

What Europeans claim they are lost-tribe Jews?  Except a TINY number of demented Anglo-Saxons?

[BabylonianJew]

What Europeans claim they are lost-tribe Jews?  Except a TINY number of demented Anglo-Saxons?

Some southern Italians to, so they prove to be White, Slavs actually luagh at the Geramo-Celtic Israelities.

[mord]

http://www.peacefaq.com/jews.html   have fun... the arabs are ismael they deserve to be destroyed

How can you prove that todays Jews are real Jews - descendants of the original Jews and heirs to the Land of Israel, and not just converts from the lands in which they lived during the last few centuries?

"Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
- M.F. Hammer, Proc. Nat'l Academy of Science, May 9, 2000


In addition to oral tradition and copious historical evidence, the genetic evidence stands firmly behind the common ancestry of both Ashkenazim and Sephardim in the Near East, and against any non-Jewish origin for either of these groups. Below are a collection of scientific journal articles including abstracts available worldwide on Pubmed and Medline.
Jewish and middle eastern non-jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes.

Hammer MF, Redd AJ, Wood ET, Bonner MR, Jarjanazi H, Karafet T, Santachiara-Benerecetti S, Oppenheim A, Jobling MA, Jenkins T, Ostrer H, Bonne-Tamir B

Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; Department of Genetics, Universita degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel.

[Medline record in process]

Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including PLO/Hamas Arab Muslim Nazis and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.

PMID: 10801975, UI: 20300976
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2000 Jun 6;97(12):6769-74


The common, Near-Eastern origin of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews supported by Y-chromosome similarity.

Santachiara Benerecetti AS, Semino O, Passarino G, Torroni A, Brdicka R, Fellous M, Modiano G

Dipartimento di Biologia Cellulare, Universita della Calabria, Cosenza, Italy.

About 80 Sephardim, 80 Ashkenazim and 100 Czechoslovaks were examined for the Y-specific RFLPs revealed by the probes p12f2 and p49a,f on TaqI DNA digests. The aim of the study was to investigate the origin of the Ashkenazi gene pool through the analysis of markers which, having an exclusively holoandric transmission, are useful to estimate paternal gene flow. The comparison of the two groups of Jews with each other and with Czechoslovaks (which have been taken as a representative source of foreign Y-chromosomes for Ashkenazim) shows a great similarity between Sephardim and Ashkenazim who are very different from Czechoslovaks. On the other hand both groups of Jews appear to be closely related to Lebanese. A preliminary evaluation suggests that the contribution of foreign males to the Ashkenazi gene pool has been very low (1% or less per generation).

Ann Hum Genet 1993 Jan;57 ( Pt 1):55-64
PMID: 8101437, UI: 93325982

Molecular analysis of HLA-B27 haplotypes in Caucasoids. Frequencies of B27-Cw in Jewish and Spanish populations.

Gonzalez-Roces S, Brautbar C, Pena M, Dominguez O, Coto E, Alvarez V, Segal R, Lopez-Larrea C

Department of Immunology, Hospital Central de Asturias, Oviedo, Spain.

PCR in combination with SSO probes was used to analyze the polymorphism in exons 2 and 3 of HLA-B27 subtypes and HLA-C-related alleles in two genetically distant Caucasian groups: Spanish and Jewish populations. AS patients and healthy B27 donors from both populations were analyzed in order to ascertain B27-Cw haplotypes. Three different ancestral haplotypes were found to be represented in both populations: B*2705/Cw*0102, B*2705/Cw*02022, and B*2702/Cw*02022. The B*2705 (92.5%) was the most frequent allele found in the Spanish population, carried by B*2705/Cw*0102 (60.9%) and B2705/Cw*02022 (30.4%) haplotypes. In contrast, B*2702 (59.4%) was the most prevalent allele found in the Jewish population and was carried by the B*2702/Cw*02022 (63.3%) haplotype. No different allelic and haplotypic distributions were among healthy and AS patients in either Spanish or Jewish populations. The differences found in the distribution of B27 haplotypes among Spanish and Jewish Caucasian populations are consistent with the genetic distance of these ethnic groups. When the Jewish population was subdivided into Ashkenazi (A) and non-Ashkenazi (NA) groups, no significant differences were observed in the distribution of B*2702/Cw*02022 haplotype. Minor differences were observed in the underrepresented B*2705 haplotypes. The present results reflect the ancestral affinities of A and NA Jewish populations. A possible HLA-B27 evolutive pathway in Caucasians is proposed according to the data available for the B27/Cw ancestral haplotypes in Spanish and Jewish groups.

Hum Immunol 1994 Oct;41(2):127-34
PMID: 7860357, UI: 95164258

mtDNA polymorphism in two communities of Jews.

Tikochinski Y, Ritte U, Gross SR, Prager EM, Wilson AC

Department of Genetics, Hebrew University, Jerusalem.

Twenty-one types of mtDNA were found in a survey of 39 Israeli Jews, of whom 18 were Sephardic and 21 Ashkenazic. The survey was made with six restriction enzymes that together recognize an average of 600 bp/genome. The differences among the types appear to be due to base substitution at 19 cleavage sites, one deletion, and one conformational mutation. The numbers of differences imply that these modern Jews stem from a minimum of 21 maternal lineages that were already distinct from one another 4,000-5,000 years ago. In three of the four cases where a type was found in more than one person, it occurred in both Ashkenazic and Sephardic populations. The diversity of types in the combined sample of two Jewish populations is lower than both that in a sample from various parts of Africa and that in asample from various parts of East Asia. Nevertheless, it is as high as that in a sample from diverse parts of New Guinea, an area much larger than that in Israel to which the Jewish population traces back.

Am J Hum Genet 1991 Jan;48(1):129-36
PMID: 1670749, UI: 91090099

Molecular analysis of HLA class II polymorphisms among different ethnic groups in Israel.

Amar A, Kwon OJ, Motro U, Witt CS, Bonne-Tamir B, Gabison R, Brautbar C

Tissue Typing Unit, Hebrew University-Hadassah Medical Organization, Jerusalem, Israel.

The Jewish population in Israel comprises of inhabitants of heterogeneous ethnic backgrounds. Genetic studies classify the Israeli Jewish population into two major groups: Ashkenazi from Central and Eastern Europe and Sephardic or non Ashkenazi, from the Mediterranean and North Africa. The present study was aimed at elucidating the differential influx of HLA class II alleles in Ashkenazi, in various non-Ashkenazi subgroups and in Israeli Moslem Arabs. Using the PCR-SSOP technique, a large number of alleles were detected at each of the loci examined (DRB1, DQA1 and DQB1). In addition, gene frequencies, characteristic DR/DQ linkage disequilibria, population distance and their corresponding dendogram, were used to study the relationship between Israelis as a group, non Jewish Caucasians and Blacks. These populations could be grouped into three main clusters: the first consists of all the Israeli groups with the exception of the Ethiopian Jews; the second consists of non Jewish Caucasians, with a clear distinction seen between Israelis and non Jewish Europeans and U.S. Caucasians; the third, composed of Blacks, is distinctly different from the other populations. Ethiopian Jews were found to be closer to the Blacks than to any of the Israeli Jewish groups. We have shown that Jews share common features, a fact that points to a common ancestry. A certain degree of admixture with their pre-immigration neighbors exists despite the cultural and religious constraints against intermarriage.

Hum Immunol 1999 Aug;60(:723-30
PMID: 10439318, UI: 99368173

Y-chromosome-specific haplotypes of Jews detected by probes 49f and 49a.

Lucotte G, David F

Laboratory of Molecular Anthropology, (CEABH), Paris, France.

A sample of Ashkenazic and Sephardic Jews has been studied with respect to haplotypes at the 49f-49a Y-specific DNA probes. Only seven haplotypes were found in Jews, three of them (VII, VIII, and XI) being the most widespread. Haplotype distribution in the European non-Jewish population is different.

PMID: 1398615, UI: 93013714
Hum Biol 1992 Oct;64(5):757-61

Population genetic studies on Jews. I. The alpha 2HS serum glycoprotein, a polymorphism strongly correlated with latitude.

Domenici R, Spinetti I, Bargagna M, Morpurgo GP, Levi M, Bar-Shanny S, Modiano G

Dipartimento di Biomedicina Sperimentale Infettiva e Pubblica, Universita di Pisa, Italy.

A sample of Jews subdivided according to the birth-place of their parents or grand-parents have been examined for a large number of genetic markers in the course of a long-term project on the genetics of Jews. We report here the findings concerning 794 Jews studied for the AHSG polymorphism. All the subsamples were in Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium. A highly significant difference was found between Sephardic + Near East Jews and Ashkenazi (AHSG*2 frequencies: 0.184 +/- 0.015 and 0.258 +/- 0.016, respectively). For comparative purposes the data available on Caucasoids have been considered. It turned out that they were neatly arranged along a latitude-AHSG gene frequency cline (0.0092 of AHSG*2 gene frequency increase per degree of increase of latitude) in the explored 30 degrees-60 degrees range (r = 0.97; P much less than 0.001). Of the two Jewish frequencies that could be taken into consideration because of their sufficient sizes, that of the Near East + Sephardic Jews was perfectly in line with the above mentioned cline, while that of the Ashkenazi was somewhat displaced in the sense of being more similar than expected to the other, more southern, Jewish group. Since the only AHSG*2 frequency significantly displaced from the regression line is that of the Ashkenazi, whose ancestors lived until centuries ago in more southern areas, this finding is a strong confirmation of the observed cline.

PMID: 2101257, UI: 91322046
Gene Geogr 1990 Aug;4(2):99-111

HLA DR and DQ polymorphism in Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews: comparison with other Mediterraneans.

Martinez-Laso J, Gazit E, Gomez-Casado E, Morales P, Martinez-Quiles N, Alvarez M, Martin-Villa JM, Fernandez V, Arnaiz-Villena A

Department of Immunology, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain.

HLA-DR and DQ alleles have been detected by DNA typing in Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews from Israel. Allele frequencies, characteristic DR/DQ linkage disequilibria, population distances and their corresponding dendrogram by using the Neighbor-Joining method were used to study relatedness between Jewish and other Mediterranean and non Mediterranean populations. Closest relatedness is observed between Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews, and, in decreasing order, also with Algerians, Spaniards (including Spanish-Basques), French and Italians. Also, particular characteristic Central European alleles are observed in Ashkenazi Jews and Mediterranean/African alleles in non-Ashkenazi Jews. This is consistent with historical data, Jews being an ancient Mediterranean population, who have had a certain degree of admixture with their 2000-3000 years old neighbors in spite of cultural and religious traditions which have preserved identity outside Israel.

PMID: 8929714, UI: 97083140
Tissue Antigens 1996 Jan;47(1):63-71

- The above abstracts were compiled from Entrez-PubMed.


 

What about the Khazars? I heard about this Kingdom between the Black and Caspian seas who converted to Judaism. Aren't modern Jews descended from them?

INTRO
Many anti-Semites complain that modern Jews are not the Biblical Jews but are descended from the Khazars. The Khazars converted to Judaism and thus modern day Jews, it is claimed, are imposters who have no claim on the Land of Israel, Eretz Yisrael.

WHO WERE THE KHAZARS?

The Khazars were a confederation of Turkish tribes who established a major commercial empire in the second half of the 6th century. As a trading nation, they were faced with a dilemma; tile Christians would not trade freely with Muslim nations, and the Muslim nations would not trade freely with the Christian nations. The Khazars did not want to be recognized as being more partial to one faith than the other. Therefore, around 740 C.E., King Bulan adopted Judaism, and thus, as a "neutral" people, the Khazars could trade more freely with both the Christian and Muslim nations that bordered Khazaria.

Their Judaism - limited no doubt in any case to a comparitively small group (only the king, his attendants and the Khazars of his kind) - was always superficial and they were liable to relapse into paganism. They became what could best be called Judaized Turks. Religious toleration was maintained for the Kingdom's 300 years, with clear traces of Christianity being found among them for the whole historical period. The predominating element in the country were the Muslims, and they formed the royal army(3). In the 10th century, "probably in 965, Khazar leaders appealed to a neighbouring Islamic state for help against invasion but were told that the price of assistance was Khazaria's conversion to Islam. According to Muslim historians the kingdom that had embraced Judaism around 740 suddenly abandoned it less than two and a half centuries later. But this did not save them and by the end of the eleventh century the Khazar empire was no more."(1) There are persistent references to the Khazars as Muslims after A.D. 965(3).

To encourage their own people, Jewish writers have tended to exaggerate the importance of the Khazar conversions to Judaism, leaving out unpalatable facts. The smallest group among the Khazars were the Jews, most of them being Muslims and Christians. The king and his court were Jews for much of their 300 years history and because religious toleration was maintained many persecuted Jews fled there. The fact is that rather than convince themselves by the 10th century that they were Jews descended from Abraham, they found it expedient to convert to Islam.

On the linguistic side, well known Turcologist, A.N.Poliak, regards the Karaite Jews in Poland and the Crimea as the principal present-day representatives of the ancient Khazars, (Karaitism is a minor sect of Judaism quite distinct from mainstream Judaisni) and 'investigations have tended to establish the absence of western influences in Yiddish, though on the other hand affinities with German dialects of the east and south-east have been indicated.'(3)

From the thirteenth century there came a great movement across the face of Europe, which was to continue for the next four centuries, to the hospitable lands of Poland and Lithuania.(5)' 'For long generations, therefore, Poland continued to appear in the light of a land of promise for the Jews of northern Europe, and to receive a perpetual accession of new settlers - refugees escaping from massacre, young men seeking opportunity, merchants from as far afield as Italy or the Balkans. In 1500, the number of Jews in the country is estimated to have been only 50,000 souls; a century and a half later, it had risen to half a million. ...so from the beginning of the sixteenth century the overwhelming mass if Askenazic Jewry, the remants of the communities of medieval england and France and Germany with others from further afield - became concentrated in Poland and the surrounding Slavonic territories. It is from them that the majority of the Jews in the world today are descended." (4).

- modified from Did Modern Jews Descend from the Khazers? by David S. Maddison, www.hatewatch.org

(1) Abba Eban, (1984). Heritage, Civilisation and the Jews
(2) Martin Gilbert, (1969). Jewish History Atlas
(3) D.M. Dunlop, (1987). The History of the Jewish Khazars
(4) Cecil Roth, (1970). A History of the Jews
(5) Chaim Bermant, (1977). The Jews
(13) David J. Goldberg and John D. Rayner, (1987). The Jewish People,Their History and Their Religion.


 

If Jews share common ancestry, why don't they all look the same?

Do all cousins look the same? No? They are just 2 generations apart. Jews were last united in a their common homeland perhaps 80 generations ago.

 

If they are all related, why don't they have genetic problems like when brothers and sisters or cousins marry and have kids?

The popular term for this concept is 'inbreeding'. It is caused by a reduction in genetic variation due to population bottleneck, genetic drift, or strong selection pressures. Examples of inbred animals include racehorses and showdogs. Among humans, Jews have the dubious honor of being the single most studied ethnicity in terms of genetic problems. This is a product of the Diaspora experience, and one reason why Jews from all the 100 nations of the Diaspora should find Jewish mates not from their own Diaspora lands.

 

[Fruit of thy loins]

The popular term for this concept is 'inbreeding'. It is caused by a reduction in genetic variation due to population bottleneck, genetic drift, or strong selection pressures. Examples of inbred animals include racehorses and showdogs. Among humans, Jews have the dubious honor of being the single most studied ethnicity in terms of genetic problems. This is a product of the Diaspora experience, and one reason why Jews from all the 100 nations of the Diaspora should find Jewish mates not from their own Diaspora lands.


Maybe this is why blondes are not always attracted to blonds.  But they should prefer brunettes over blacks.

[mord]

Should blond jews marry dark jews?

[BabylonianJew]

Should blond jews marry dark jews?

Dark Jews lol, what is this Neo-Nazi stromfront were they talk about Nordic purity and they should not intermarry with Southern Europeans especially of Portugesse and Sicilian decent man, we are no Neo-Nazis. a Jew is a Jew

[mord]

Well i'm mediteranian looking and so i want a blond