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Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« on: February 18, 2010, 03:54:39 PM »
This is the proclamation of the flaming faggot Elton John...

Im sure he said it only to provoke a fight with the religious Christians... But I highly doubt that the character known as Jesus was probrobly not gay. If he was then he should have been stoned to death.

How can supposedly intelligent people make such outlandish claims?


Elton John is a bonehead and a unrepentant sinner...

http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/02/18/elton-john-says-jesus-was-a-super-intelligent-gay-man/?test=faces

PS: Maybe Jesus was a drug addict too? That way Elton would have more in common with his self-made idol of a G-d.
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 04:09:37 PM »
I don't take anything serious what gays say about religions because in their own twisted sick mind they know being gay is wrong. This thing is trying to get people to believe Jesus was gay so his perverse behaviour will be justified. Didn't work with Wacko Jacko saying he wasn't and pedophile and will never work with this animal.
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 05:00:23 PM »
Elton John: Consistently annoying. :P
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 05:10:09 PM »
I think he's a great singer, but he should keep his religious commentary to himself.

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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 10:03:51 PM »
That'sa silly remark of him. If he were so good as a historian and could know such a thing, let's ask him about the private life of all famous people in ancient history. lol.
Muman, a gay was not executed in ancient Israel. Homosexuality is not a sin in the Torah. The act of sodomy is. But even the act was not so easily punished. They nneeded two eye witnesses and a proper investigation. Furthermore execution was very rare at that time. One case in 70 years was too much. And the Sanhedrin abolished it altogether in the year 30CE.

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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 10:43:02 PM »
That'sa silly remark of him. If he were so good as a historian and could know such a thing, let's ask him about the private life of all famous people in ancient history. lol.
Muman, a gay was not executed in ancient Israel. Homosexuality is not a sin in the Torah. The act of sodomy is. But even the act was not so easily punished. They nneeded two eye witnesses and a proper investigation. Furthermore execution was very rare at that time. One case in 70 years was too much. And the Sanhedrin abolished it altogether in the year 30CE.

The act of homosexual intercourse is a sin, it is called an Abomination in the Torah. And it is a sin which is expressly punished by the death penalty. I am aware of the one execution in 70 years figure, which indicates that the in the times of the Sanhedrin very few people engaged in the sin of sodomy.

http://www.ou.org/public_affairs/article/njd_tradition_cp/

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Judaism and the Death Penalty; Of Two Minds but One Heart
April 01, 2004
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FIRST PRINCIPLES

If one can be certain of anything in a discussion of Judaism's views regarding capital punishment, especially those held in a public forum, it is that the following statement in the Mishna (Makkot 1:10) will be quoted:

A Sanhedrin that executed [more than] one person in a week is called a "murderous" [court]. Rabbi Elazar ben Azarya states: "[More than] one person in 70 years [would be denoted a murderous court]." Rabbi Tarfon and Rabbi Akiva state: "If we had been members of the Sanhedrin, no defendant would ever have been executed."

While this passage properly finds its way into all discussions of the Torah's approach to the death penalty, other Mishnaic statements of equal authority with different perspectives seem to be often overlooked. In fact, the very Mishna quoted above gives the last word to R. Shimon ben Gamiliel, who responds that had they indeed ensured that the death penalty would never be carried out, R. Tarfon and R. Akiva "would have been increasing the murderers in Israel."

In the complete Mishnaic citation we see our tradition grappling with the core question that confronts every society which contemplates utilizing capital punishment as a component of its criminal justice system -- how can a society protect human lives with an institution that itself takes human life? To answer this question, we must turn to another Mishna. Sanhedrin 4:5 states:

Man was created single [in the person of Adam], to teach you that anyone who eliminates one person in Israel, the Torah considers it as though an entire world has been eliminated; and anyone that sustains one person is Israel, the Torah considers it as though an entire world has been sustained....And [man was created single], to proclaim the greatness of the Holy One; a person can mint many coins with one mold, and they will all be identical in appearance; and the King of Kings....made all of mankind from the mold of Adam the first, and no one person is identical to the other. Thus, each individual person must say "for me was the world created."

Among the Torah's seminal and timeless gifts to the world -- a world that has seen societies that have endorsed everything from ancient child sacrifices to false gods to modern campaigns of ethnic cleansing -- is this teaching of the infinite value of each human life.

What is most striking, however, about this critical Mishna is the context in which the lesson is presented. These noble words are in answer to the Mishna's question of ketsad me'aymin et ha-edim -- how does the court instill awe and fear into witnesses in capital cases so that they will testify truthfully? The very passage that proclaims our recognition of the value of each life is presented and utilized in the capital case! Moreover, instilling fear into witnesses is but one of the many procedural safeguards required in capital cases. Other well known safeguards include requirements for two simultaneous witnesses to the crime who were not only viewing the perpetrator but also saw each other and had time to properly warn the perpetrator of the nature of his crime and punishment prior to his committing the act.

Judaism, it seems, is of two minds about capital punishment. But we can discover where the heart of our tradition lies in one more halakha.

While the Torah prescribes a strict regime of procedural safeguards before one of the four biblically authorized methods of capital punishment may be imposed, the rabbis recognized that there would be cases in which it was known beyond doubt that a particular person had committed a murder, but one of the biblically required procedural elements was absent. What then? Would a murderer roam free? No. As stated in Mishna Sanhedrin (9:5), the perpetrator would be placed in jail and, essentially, be put to death by malnutrition.

The key to our understanding can be found in Maimonides' codification (Rotse'ah 4:9) of this ruling:

This procedure [of confinement and death by malnutrition] is not done to perpetrators of other capital crimes [procedural requirements are lacking]....because even though there are sins more severe than murder, they do not cause the destruction of the world's stability and order in the manner of murder; even [the cardinal sins of] idolatry, incest and violating Shabbat are not equal to murder. For these sins are between man and G-d, but murder is a sin against fellow man and anyone who commits this transgression is completely evil and all the good deeds of his entire lifetime cannot outweigh this sin nor rescue him from judgment....

Murder is not only a sin against the victim and his or her Creator. Murder, in the Jewish view, is a sin against society, for it tears at the foundation stone upon which an orderly, productive, and moral society must be built -- the dignity and equal worth of each of its members.

The foregoing discussion, as is often the case, is one in which the halakhic system does not offer a one-sided view of an issue, but reflects the Divine nature of G-d's creation in incorporating and balancing multiple and competing values that are inherent to any human challenge. While recognizing there might be multiple means to fulfill a single goal, in its heart, Judaism is devoted to championing each human life as unique and sacred.

Do you think it would be hard today to get two witnesses that a person engaged in this forbidden relationship? The gays today are proud enough to post on the internet pictures of their perversion.

http://www.sinaicentral.com/gendercentral/12603AuthenticityoftheBible.htm
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 10:48:20 PM »
http://www.jewishmag.com/70mag/sodomy/sodomy.htm

The Jewish View
By Avi Lazerson


In one week, the US news agencies reported that sodomy was no longer considered a crime and in another story, reported that a man was accused of raping several girls between the ages of ten and twelve years. During that week, there was talk in the papers of the new understanding of relationships between consenting adults, and at the same time, condemnation and calls for lengthy jail sentences for men who abuse minors.

Interestingly enough, the Jewish view of this news is a bit strange, at least in the eyes of the contemporary world. According to the laws of the Torah, acts of sodomy, homosexual relationships and adultery, especially when the adults are consenting, result in the death penalty. Rape of minors, on the other hand, is considered as a case of damages, and the perpetrator must pay, who? The father!

Now it is conceivable that the question should be raised, what is the reason for the Torah to be so severe in its penalty, especially in acts of sodomy and homosexuals, who do not hurt anyone, and only concern two consenting adults. And on the other side, a rapist of young girls, why should the Torah, let him off with a small payment of damages, when in reality, he is a sick person and inflicts harm on innocent young girls.

The answer could well be that in the case of sodomy, homosexual relationships, and adultery, the Torah is not concerned with physical damages, but rather in moral degradation of society. We could say that the Torah views the purpose of sex is not for the goal of pleasure but rather in procreation, even though pleasure is derived through sex. Sodomy, homosexual behavior, and adultery tear the moral fiber of society and reduce the social values to a hedonistic striving only.

In the view of the Torah, life reaches its apex in the service of G-d. As man approaches G-d he must put his desires aside, and supplant them with the wishes of his creator.

The world has gone through subtle changes since the time of the Torah. The concept of marriage three thousand years ago was never considered as a romantic situation, but rather a pragmatic relationship in which the participants could provide for each other and at the same time create a family. Remember, that early marriages were not just a husband and a wife, but a husband and several wives. A successful marriage was one in which the husband was a good provider and the wife (or wives) was an enterprising home-person. Romance was rarely a reason for marriage and more likely than not, not a part of it. Marriages were bartered and the ability to make a living and to support a family was a prime consideration in the selection of a husband, and the industriousness and character of the woman, plus the dowry, an important factor in making the match.

As time progressed, the principles and guidelines of marriage began to change. First the marriage as a polygamous union was changed. Early marriages were one many, many wives. With a relationship like this, were the wife was only one of many vying for the attention of the husband, the women's role was obviously different from that of today. Marriage eventually changed to a monogamous one.

The next change came later, in the so-called modern era. In the last several hundred years has the concept of romance become a prime point of match making. The couples started deciding for themselves if they felt the match was appropriate based on their own feelings.

As the romantic element grew in making marriage not only a framework for procreation, but also for sharing intimacy, it changed the scope of marriage. Marriage was no longer a framework for continuation of life; it became a source for personal happiness and intimacy. The quest for intimacy and bonding of hearts became vogue, and a marriage transformed into being the grounds of personal happiness. Older concepts of marriage died and were replaced by newer ones.

In addition, in our times, the ability of the individual to earn enough money to take care of himself plus all of his/her personal needs short circuited the needs for marriage. If personal pleasure is the main pursuit in life, then all others aspects of life must become subjected to that desire.

The Torah, however, sees life differently. That action of giving of one's seed is looked at as a sacred act. Man gives of himself to create another. To waste this G-d given act by expending his seed in a manner in which bears no resemblance to creation, is abhorrent. One who wastes his seed in a manner to take a momentary but perverted pleasure is a person who takes not just his creation lightly, but more seriously, thwarts his Creators plans for all of mankind.

Similarly, sexual acts involving men with animals are also prohibited by the Torah. There is no redeeming aspect of this type of act. It is merely a degradation of G-d given gift of life. Those who throw off life by engaging in such perversion are liable to the death penalty under the laws of the Torah.

A rapist, while certainly not from the desirable types of people, has used a person in a manner not becoming. However, since he has not caused any deep physical damage, but depreciated the girl's ability to marry, he must pay damages to the father. Foul as he may be, he directed his sexual act in the correct direction. However, his crime was that it was not within the framework of marriage.
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 11:02:00 PM »
Muman, what does the article mean by "rape"? Perhaps it refers to cases when the consent is not valid because a woman was too young. That's strange.... Real rape (i.e. against the will of the victim) is indeed a capital offense for Noahides. Would it be diffrent for Jews?
BTW, a Sanhedrin would consider many mitigating situations. If capital punishment for desecration of Shabbbat were applied now, there would be millions of executions!
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 11:09:26 PM »
NO, JESUS WAS NOT GAY. HE WAS A VIRGIN. HE DID NOT LAY WITH A WOMAN. or a MAN, for that matter.

The gay's are using this to make excuse for their behavior. (the Christian ones) It is an abomination.
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 11:13:55 PM »
Muman, what does the article mean by "rape"? Perhaps it refers to cases when the consent is not valid because a woman was too young. That's strange.... Real rape (i.e. against the will of the victim) is indeed a capital offense for Noahides. Would it be diffrent for Jews?
BTW, a Sanhedrin would consider many mitigating situations. If capital punishment for desecration of Shabbbat were applied now, there would be millions of executions!

I for one am glad that there are not executions now, as you point out the people are too far from Hashem. The commandments are given to us to live by, not die by...

But I am on a mission to observe all the mitzvot which I can, while I live. Many have taken me a long time to come to do, but I have accepted them all. I do not say that this Mitzvah, or that Mitzvah is insignificant... The entire Torah is a system by which the Jewish people can get close to Hashem, who is our father in Shamayim.

As we get closer to the era of Moshiach it becomes the duty of the religious to rebuke those who do not follow the mitzvot. We don't want the entire world to perish when judgment is rendered. Instead there is the belief that Moshiach can come in peacefully, when the entire world is ready for the changes which will come about.



Regarding Rape I found the following article:

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/the-jewish-legal-system/criminal-law/?p=1258

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What does Torah say about rape, both for the victim and the ones around the victims? What judgements should you put against the rapist?

This depends in what regard you are referring to rape.

Biblically the Torah states that it is a sin and forbidden to rape a woman. The biblical judgement is for the rapist to marry the victim! I know that sounds crazy and it is up to the woman’s discretion, the man has no choice, but she could say no (understandably). If you look at it in context, in ancient times a raped woman was looked upon as “damaged goods” and very likely would never find a husband. In ancient society this would be devastating as the men were the main source of sustenance and protection for a woman. This is connected to the fact that women didn’t have much standing in the society in the world at that time. This judgement was proscribed in order to “protect” the rights of the woman and insure she was cared for and respected in society not casted out. In addition there was a monetary fine and possibly public lashes while stripped down to a loin cloth.

If you are referring to modern society the Jewish view is that it is reprehensible and should be prosecuted and turned over to the proper authorities in order to protect other women from the rapist. There is no rabbinical power to enforce laws in the US or Israel regarding violent crimes. So we are forced to let law enforcement deal with it as they deem fit, so long as it is a just government.
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 11:27:15 PM »
Surprisingly, that law which obligates the rapist to marry the raped woman was in force in Argentina until a few years ago. If the woman accpeted to marry the rapist, then he would not be punished. But I think that in both cases, ancient Israel and Argentina, that law was meant for very unusual cases of no real rape. Perhaps of couple of a boy and a girl who went too far. In fact, a rape by force is also kidnapping which Torah condemns with capital punishment ( at least for Noahides).

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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2010, 01:53:38 AM »
Elton John is saying such nonsense talks for self justification and self glorification. 
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2010, 01:58:15 AM »
NO, JESUS WAS NOT GAY. HE WAS A VIRGIN. HE DID NOT LAY WITH A WOMAN. or a MAN, for that matter.

The gay's are using this to make excuse for their behavior. (the Christian ones) It is an abomination.
Hanna, it has been said that all the recorded events in the life of Jesus, if added end to end, would occupy just a few weeks. I am not implying that he was homosexual, which is after all a minority perversion, but can we be sure of his virginity? (This is just a question!)

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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2010, 02:07:02 AM »
Yes, we can.

NO, JESUS WAS NOT GAY. HE WAS A VIRGIN. HE DID NOT LAY WITH A WOMAN. or a MAN, for that matter.

The gay's are using this to make excuse for their behavior. (the Christian ones) It is an abomination.
Hanna, it has been said that all the recorded events in the life of Jesus, if added end to end, would occupy just a few weeks. I am not implying that he was homosexual, which is after all a minority perversion, but can we be sure of his virginity? (This is just a question!)
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 05:25:21 AM »
(This is just a question!)
  ::) ???

If Jesus had engaged in sex outside of marriage, then it would have been a sin. Since the NT indicates that he was single, and that he was sinless, then yes we are sure.

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2010, 05:35:12 AM »
(This is just a question!)
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If Jesus had engaged in sex outside of marriage, then it would have been a sin. Since the NT indicates that he was single, and that he was sinless, then yes we are sure.
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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2010, 05:46:52 AM »
Elton John needs to stop being so Anal! 
He has to learn how to share and give a little as well...  ;D
 

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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2010, 06:47:58 AM »
First off, we live in a society that worships fame, and thus entertainers (and I include athletes) are quoted as if their public statements carry any weight.  I've said this for years:  Just because somebody can sing & dance and/or run & jump doesn't mean that he has brain cell one between his ears.  (Allow me to use the masculine pronouns here, but it goes for women too.)

Now, as shocking as this entertainer's statement may seem to those who frequent this board, I absolutely assure you that there's no shortage of mainline protestant ministers who would not only fail to condemn this statement, indeed many would agree.

One of the mainline protestant denominations has a slogan, "God is still speaking!"  Sounds uplifting, eh?  In reality, it's meant to explain their abandonment of Biblical truths.  They can use the Scriptures as toilet paper, because God is still speaking, and He's changed His mind about all that damnation stuff.

For devout Jewish members of this board, let me mention that these same ministers would say that King David was a gay lover to King Saul's son Jonathan.  And thus homosexuality must be okay, because the Tanach tell us that David was a man after God's own heart.

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Re: Elton John says Jesus was Gay
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2010, 06:55:12 AM »
There are alot of delusional people out there.   2nd Thessalonians 9-11- says: The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders and in (every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing.)  They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved..   For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness.

Romans 1:24- Therefore God gave them over to sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 

The Gay lifestyle is an abomination.  Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, and then on top of it to say that the Son of God was Gay!

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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2010, 09:17:42 AM »
There are alot of delusional people out there.   2nd Thessalonians 9-11- says: The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs, and wonders and in (every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing.)  They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved..   For this reason G-d sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness.

Romans 1:24- Therefore G-d gave them over to sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 

The Gay lifestyle is an abomination.  Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, and then on top of it to say that the Son of G-d was Gay!

Debbie,

You are aware that according to Jewish belief the Jewish people are 'The firstborn sons of G-d'....

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2010, 09:48:11 AM »
This world hates Jewish people, now it is after Christians, how long before they start feeding us to the lions..
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2010, 10:19:19 AM »


What an absolutely evil thing to say. Elton John lives a filthy debauched life and he's so disgusted with himself he thinks he can make himself feel better about it by projecting his vileness on a sacred holy figure for many people that are living righteous lives. That is what it is, he is attacking that which would condemn him and his disgusting life. 
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2010, 11:36:45 AM »
I hear that Elton John was going to do a duet with Michael Jackson and sing "Don't let your son go down on me"  ;D

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2010, 11:46:15 AM »
The gays say all Biblical people are homos.I remember the fags saying that KING DAVID AND JONATHAN WERE GAY :o :nono:
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