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Catholic Antisemitism continues
« on: April 02, 2010, 05:07:05 PM »
The persecution of Jews throughout history cannot be compared to the Church being called to task for its continued employment of perverted priests.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/03/world/europe/03church.html?pagewanted=all

At Vatican Service, Persecution of Jews Is Invoked
By DANIEL J. WAKIN and RACHEL DONADIO


ROME — A senior Vatican priest speaking at a Good Friday service compared the uproar over sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church — which have included reports about Pope Benedict XVI’s oversight role in two cases — to the persecution of the Jews, sharply raising the volume in the Vatican’s counterattack.

The remarks, on the day Christians mark the crucifixion, underscored how much the Catholic Church has felt under attack from recent news reports and criticism over how it has handled charges of child molestation against priests in the past, and sought to focus attention on the church as the central victim.

In recent weeks, Vatican officials and many bishops have angrily denounced news reports that Benedict failed to act strongly enough against pedophile priests, once as archbishop of Munich and Freising in 1980 and once as a leader of a powerful Vatican congregation in the 1990s.

Benedict sat looking downward when the Rev. Raniero Cantalamessa, who holds the office of preacher of the papal household, delivered his remarks in the traditional prayer service in St. Peter’s Basilica. Wearing the brown cassock of a Franciscan, Father Cantalamessa took note that Easter and Passover were falling during the same week this year, saying he was led to think of the Jews. “They know from experience what it means to be victims of collective violence and also because of this they are quick to recognize the recurring symptoms,” he said.

Father Cantalamessa quoted from what he said was a letter from an unnamed Jewish friend. “I am following the violent and concentric attacks against the church, the pope and all the faithful by the whole world,” he said the friend wrote. “The use of stereotypes, the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt, remind me of the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism.”

The Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi stressed that Father Cantalamessa’s sermon represented his own private thoughts and was not “an official statement” from the Vatican.

He said it was incorrect to interpret the remarks as comparing recent criticism of the Catholic Church to anti-Semitism, but should instead be read as a sign of “solidarity” by Father Cantalamessa’s Jewish friend.

Father Lombardi said that he personally did not think that criticism of the church could be compared to anti-Semitism.

“I don’t think it’s an appropriate comparison,” he said. “That’s why the letter should be read as a letter of solidarity by a Jew.”

“It is not meant as an attack on the Jewish world, anything but,” Father Lombardi added. He said that Benedict had no role in the sermon.

Even as the priest spoke out against attacks on the church, Archbishop Robert Zollitsch of Freiburg, head of the German Bishops Conference, said that sex abuse victims were not helped enough “out of a misplaced concern for the reputation of the church.” The church, he said, was shaken by “the suffering inflicted on the victims, who often for decades could not put their injuries into words.” Bishops around Europe have been offering similar remarks in recent days, following up on a major statement on molestation in the Irish church by the pope.

Father Cantalamessa’s comments about the Jews came toward the end of a long talk about scripture, the nature of violence and the sacrifice of Jesus. He also spoke about violence against women, but gave only a slight mention of the children and adolescents who have been molested by priests. “I am not speaking here of violence against children, of which unfortunately also elements of the clergy are stained; of that there is sufficient talk outside of here,” he said.

Disclosures about hundreds of such cases have emerged in recent months in Germany, Ireland, the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland and France, after a previous round of scandal in the United States earlier this decade.

A leading advocate for sex abuse victims in the United States, David Clohessy, called comparing criticism of the church to persecution of the Jews “breathtakingly callous and misguided.”

“Men who deliberately and consistently hide child sex crime are in no way victims,” he said. “And to conflate public scrutiny with horrific violence is about as wrong as wrong can be.”

The comments could cause a new twist in Vatican-Jewish relations, which have had ups and downs during Benedict’s papacy.

Rabbi Riccardo di Segni, the chief rabbi of Rome, who hosted Benedict at the Rome synagogue in January on a visit that helped calm waters after a year of tensions, laughed in seeming disbelief when asked about Father Cantalamessa’s remarks.

“With a minimum of irony, I will say that today is Good Friday, when they pray that the Lord illuminate our hearts so we recognize Jesus,” Rabbi Di Segni said, referring to a prayer in a traditional Catholic liturgy calling for the conversion of the Jews. “We also pray that the Lord illuminate theirs.”

In 2007, Benedict ruffled feathers with Jewish groups when he issued a ruling making it easier to use the Latin Mass including that Good Friday prayer, which had fallen out of widespread use after the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council. In January 2009, he stirred outrage when he revoked the excommunication of four schismatic bishops, one of whom turned out to have denied the scope of the Holocaust.

The legacy of the wartime pope, Pius XII, has been another sticking point. Some say he didn’t do enough to save Jews during the Holocaust; on a visit to the Rome synagogue in January, Benedict said that the Holy See had “provided assistance, often in a hidden and discreet way,” to help Jews.

Father Cantalamessa’s remarks come after weeks of intense scrutiny of Benedict, which some Italian media have seen in conspiratorial terms. Last week, the center-left daily La Repubblica wrote, without attribution, that “certain Catholic circles” believed the criticism of the church stemmed from “a New York ‘Jewish lobby.’”Father Cantalamessa is a longtime fixture in the papal household, having been its official preacher since 1980. It is an ancient role, established by Pope Paul IV in the middle of the 16th century. The job is reserved for a member of the Franciscan Order of Capuchin Friars Minor. The apostolic preacher, as he also is called, gives meditations — especially during Advent and Lent — for the pope, cardinals, bishops and leaders of religious orders.

Father Cantalamessa was also tasked to deliver a meditation on the problems facing the church and need for careful consideration to the college of cardinals shortly after the death of John Paul II, as they prepared to elect his successor. Their choice was Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict.

Later in the evening, Benedict was to move on to the Colosseum, to take part in the Way of the Cross procession marking Jesus’ final hours and his crucifixion.



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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2010, 07:05:51 PM »
Are they telling us that Israel doesn't exist and Palestine does?

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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2010, 09:20:03 PM »
This is ridiculous! There is NO comparison, I don't care what anybody says. >:(
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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 01:52:34 AM »
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A senior Vatican priest speaking at a Good Friday service compared the uproar over sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church — which have included reports about Pope Benedict XVI’s oversight role in two cases — to the persecution of the Jews, sharply raising the volume in the Vatican’s counterattack.

What a sicko! Jews were persecuted for their righteous connection with God, the RCC officials are being criticized because they protected pedophiles. No comparison at all! I think Ratzinger and the rest of the rats involved need to be put into prison at the least.

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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 03:36:29 PM »
It depends on what he really meant. If he wanted to compare the suffering of Jews with some accusations against some priests, that's really sick. No priest, even if wronlgy accused, has ever being attacked by mobs in progroms neither has there  ever been a plan to anihilate Catholics. But if he meant that the prejudices are a similar form of discrimination, he may have a point. In fact, there are leftists who use accusations against Catholics to discredit anyone who does not agree with the left. I have been accused by leftists of being supporting "Catholics perverts" just for quoting the Noahide Laws against murder (which include abortion).
Anyway, considering that the Church had to beg pardon to the Jews for Inquisition and Genocides, that priest would better seek another comparison.

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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 03:44:57 PM »
This is ridiculous! There is NO comparison, I don't care what anybody says. >:(

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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2010, 12:39:33 AM »
Now this latest news from IsraelNationalNews, an opinion piece by Alan Dershowitz really is upsetting:



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/9408
Church Pedophilia? Blame Jews
Nisan 22, 5770, 06 April 10 11:54
by Prof. Alan Dershowitz
(Israelnationalnews.com)

The Catholic church, which does so much good, has declared anti-Semitism to be a sin, but there are some within the hierarchy who always know the source of the Church's problems: It's "the Jews." Consider the following report in The New York Times of April 3, 2010." "Last week, the center-left daily newspaper LA Republica wrote, without Ah, the power of the New York Jewish Lobby, extending to rural Ireland, southern Germany, Boulder Junction, Wisconsin and the Archbishop of Canterbury attribution, that certain Catholic circles believed the criticism of the church stemmed from a New York 'Jewish Lobby.'"

Ah, the power of the New York Jewish Lobby, extending to rural Ireland, southern Germany, Boulder Junction, Wisconsin and the Archbishop of Canterbury!

Despite the lack of attribution in the newspaper article, the quote has credibility because it echoes statements made by a leading member of this "blame the Jews" circle as far back as May of 2002. That man is Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Meridiaga, who is the archbishop of Honduras. Cardinal Rodriguez who was in the running for Pope Benedict's job and who remains a leading candidate to replace him, is an overt anti-Semite and not ashamed of it. For years, he has been telling anyone who is willing to listen that "the Jews" are to blame for the scandal surrounding the sexual misconduct of priests toward young parishioners!

But even for this bigot in a red hat, it must have been a stretch to blame the Jews for a world-wide problem that has plagued the Vatican for decades. Have no fear. Rodriguez has figured out a way to blame the Jews that is about as compelling as the Church's historic efforts to blame the Jews for the Black Plague, the poisoning of wells and the murder of Christian children to use their blood for Passover Matzo.Here is his "logic." He begins by asserting that the Vatican is anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian. It follows, therefore, that "the Jews" had to get even with the Catholic Church, while at the same time deflecting attention away from Israeli injustices against the Palestinians.

The Jews managed to do this by arranging for the media which they, of course, control to give disproportionate attention to the Vatican sex scandal. Listen to Rodriguez's own words:

"It certainly makes me think that in a moment in which all the attention of the mass media was focused on the Middle East, all the many injustices done against the Palestinian people, the print media and the TV in the United States became obsessed with sexual scandals that happened 40 years ago, 30 years ago. Why? I think it's also for these motives: What is the church that has received Arafat the most times and has most often confirmed the necessity of the creation of a Palestinian state? What is the church that does not accept that Jerusalem should be the indivisible capital of the State of Israel, but that it should be the capital of the three great monotheistic religions?"

Rodriguez then goes on to compare the Jewish-controlled media with "Hitler," because they are "protagonists of what I do not hesitate to define as a persecution against the Church."

When asked whether he wanted to reconsider his attack, Rodriguez replied: "I don't repent sometimes it is necessary to shake things up."

The prime media culprit is, according to Rodriguez, The Boston Globe, which has won numerous journalistic awards for its exposure of the sex scandal and cover-up. The Globe, you see, is owned by The New York Times, which is controlled by the Sulzberger, which was once a Jewish family. Hence the Jewish conspiracy. Oh, these clever Jews!

One problem with this cockamamie theory is that the Jewish community of Boston was very close to, and admiring of, Cardinal Bernard Law, who presided over the archdiocese during the scandal. Law had built bridges between the Catholic and Jewish communities of Boston, and when the scandal was exposed by the very un-Jewish Boston Globe the Jewish community remained largely supportive of Law.

None of the leading media critics, lawyers or politicians who railed against the church was Jewish. Most were Catholic. But that didn't matter to the bigoted cardinal, who along with other classic anti-Semites believes that if there is a problem "the Jews" must be to blame for it.

As the writer James Carrol, himself a Catholic, has characterized Rodriguez's "crackpot" mindset: "When the church has a problem here is the oldest move of all blame the Jews." Nor is Rodriguez the only current cardinal afflicted with such bigotry.

Cardinal Joseph Glemp, the primate of Poland, has blamed the Jews for Polish communism, alcoholism and collaboration with Hitler. He also accused Jews of trying to kill nuns. Other high-ranking priests, especially in Central America and Poland, have leveled similar anti-Semitic accusations against the Jews and Israel.

These blood libels demonstrate that the Vatican still has a problem with anti-Semitism at the top levels of its hierarchy. How can serial sinners like Cardinals Rodriguez and Glemp retain their statures as princes of the Church while preaching blood libels against the Jews?

Most recently a senior Vatican priest, speaking in the presence of the Pope, likened the criticism of the Vatican over pedophilia to "the more shameful aspects of anti-Semitism. Wait a minute! Does this mean that the Jews were to blame for anti-Semitism, as the Catholic church is to blame for not having done enough to prevent recurring abuses by known pedophilic priests in Ireland, Germany and the United States?

No, says Father Raniero Cantalamessa, the priest who offered the comparison. He was criticizing "the use of stereotypes, the passing from personal responsibility and guilt to a collective guilt…" Oh, now I get it: some individual Jews really were guilty of murdering Christian babies for their blood, poisoning their wells and causing the Black Plague. The problem was in "the passing from personal responsibility and guilt" for these unspeakable crimes, to "collective guilt."

It is true that there is stereotyping and anti-Catholic bigotry in some of the criticism of the Pope for conduct of which he's probably unaware. It is also true that sexual abuse by those in positions of authority is widespread in many religious and secular institutions, and the focus on the Catholic church seems unfair. But the Catholic church is the most powerful religious institution in the world, and much of the criticism comes from disappointed Catholics.

Pope Benedict is a good man who has generally continued the good work of his two predecessors toward the Jews, and has done far more than his predecessors to deal with the problem of sexual abuse. But the time has come, indeed is long overdue, for Pope Benedict to speak out forcefully and to take firm action against the those who are sullying his papacy and wounding the moral authority of his Church, whether they be priests who sinned, bishops who covered up their sins or cardinals who can't see beyond "the Jews" in seeking to pinpoint blame for their sins.



I just don't quite understand why the Catholic church has priests likes Cardinal Rodriquez and others can make such blatant anti-semitic statements and yet be tolerated by the church.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2010, 01:42:57 AM »
Jews are responsible for alcoholism in Poland?  :laugh:

White male Europeans have a problem with alcohol. It is in their blood. It is in my blood and in lots of people I know. We have to fight and pray against it our whole life. Actually I know no Jew who advertises drinking in masses. The opposite is the case. Even secular Jews are handeling alcohol mostly disciplined.

How many times has our good Chaim said: "Don't drink so much!" ?

Cardinal Joseph Glemp is a liar! Perhaps he himself is greedy towards schnapps and because he is not able to handle it he looks for someone to blaim for. This is the typical behaviour of cowards.

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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2010, 06:06:13 AM »
Obviously the content of this piece is very disturbing but Alan Dershowitz is hardly someone to talk.

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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2010, 07:20:48 AM »
Disturbing indeed! Such liars. I am so glad I got out of the Catholic church years ago. I learned what hypocrites they were when I was able to understand more in high school and told my dad I was never going back. The way my family was treated by them was intolerable and I will never forgive them for that. I defend Israel every chance I get or when I hear anything incorrect. Sunday I was with a group of people and told them there's no such thing as Palestine! One person there said they thought they were there first! I could NOT believe it! Thank God others were there to back me up! I will NEVER understand where and how liberals get their way of thinking, but I'm glad I finally got to straighten one out and put them in their place. >:(
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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 09:19:31 AM »
This is ridiculous! There is NO comparison, I don't care what anybody says. >:(

Arksis, come on, we know that YOU are not like that. My recording engineer is totally pro-Israel, most of his friends are Jews and he is a devout Catholic. Obviously people ARE going to have a problem with this.
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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 09:20:49 AM »
Alan Dershowitz.. One of the REASONS there IS Jew hate.
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Re: Catholic Antisemitism continues
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 11:09:01 AM »
This is ridiculous! There is NO comparison, I don't care what anybody says. >:(

Arksis, come on, we know that YOU are not like that. My recording engineer is totally pro-Israel, most of his friends are Jews and he is a devout Catholic. Obviously people ARE going to have a problem with this.

You are so right Paulette, but so much news comes out that really does not surprise me. I just hate to see Jews and Catholics at odds when they should be banding together against the REAL enemy. It's sad, really.  :'(
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