Keffiyehs, do you think they should be banned or allowed?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I have always believed that Jews will only be fully integrated back into Eretz Yisrael when we throw off western styles of dress in favor of a style more in tune with the Middle East.  After all, that is who and what we are...a Middle Eastern people.  In my opinion all the adaptations borrowed from Europe must go!  The suits, ties, hats, and heavy shoes of Europe are poorly suited to the clime in Israel, and only help to reinforce the false perception that Israel is an outpost of Western imperialism.  Israeli architecture for the most part looks perfectly Middle Eastern, with no attempts made to emulate Continental house design.  Our language, history and culture are all of the East.  So, why not our clothing?  I vote for the "Israeli keffiyah", and hope that it's just the beginning of a new trend in Israeli fashion.

Even though I agree that Jews should adopt Beged Ivri and middle eastern style clothing, I don't think the "kefiya" is included in that.   Look closely at the depictions of Maimonides and the Yemenite Jews and the Algerian Jew here.  I don't see any kefiyas.   Jews wore turbans, tunics, etc.    Not kefiyas as far as I know.

guys,guys,guys.let's make an agreement okay.you will dress youselves in middle eastern tincs and turban and i will continue to hang around with my shirt and pants and nothing that even resemble arab dress.

You can wear whatever you want, but some of us consider historical reality as an important factor in deciding what is authentic Jewish culture.   Some of us here consider historical reality, stam, unlike others who seem to think history is irrelevant or can be invented wholecloth on whim.  Look in the Torah and the Talmud and you will see an ancient style of dress that is no longer in style for most peoples today.   If arabs dress like us, let them, but let them keep their unique cultural symbols like the kefiya which I want nothing to do with.

I certainly prefer beged ivri (especially if I'm living in a nationalist settlement in Judea/Samaria, God willing) to wearing a black cloak and top hat.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I have always believed that Jews will only be fully integrated back into Eretz Yisrael when we throw off western styles of dress in favor of a style more in tune with the Middle East.  After all, that is who and what we are...a Middle Eastern people.  In my opinion all the adaptations borrowed from Europe must go!  The suits, ties, hats, and heavy shoes of Europe are poorly suited to the clime in Israel, and only help to reinforce the false perception that Israel is an outpost of Western imperialism.  Israeli architecture for the most part looks perfectly Middle Eastern, with no attempts made to emulate Continental house design.  Our language, history and culture are all of the East.  So, why not our clothing?  I vote for the "Israeli keffiyah", and hope that it's just the beginning of a new trend in Israeli fashion.

Even though I agree that Jews should adopt Beged Ivri and middle eastern style clothing, I don't think the "kefiya" is included in that.   Look closely at the depictions of Maimonides and the Yemenite Jews and the Algerian Jew here.  I don't see any kefiyas.   Jews wore turbans, tunics, etc.    Not kefiyas as far as I know.

Your right, they resemble turbans rather than keffiyehs, can you repost the pictures? They didn't show up.

Oh I dunno, they come up when I click on the thread (in your first post). 

[Ben m]

I have always believed that Jews will only be fully integrated back into Eretz Yisrael when we throw off western styles of dress in favor of a style more in tune with the Middle East.  After all, that is who and what we are...a Middle Eastern people.  In my opinion all the adaptations borrowed from Europe must go!  The suits, ties, hats, and heavy shoes of Europe are poorly suited to the clime in Israel, and only help to reinforce the false perception that Israel is an outpost of Western imperialism.  Israeli architecture for the most part looks perfectly Middle Eastern, with no attempts made to emulate Continental house design.  Our language, history and culture are all of the East.  So, why not our clothing?  I vote for the "Israeli keffiyah", and hope that it's just the beginning of a new trend in Israeli fashion.

Even though I agree that Jews should adopt Beged Ivri and middle eastern style clothing, I don't think the "kefiya" is included in that.   Look closely at the depictions of Maimonides and the Yemenite Jews and the Algerian Jew here.  I don't see any kefiyas.   Jews wore turbans, tunics, etc.    Not kefiyas as far as I know.

guys,guys,guys.let's make an agreement okay.you will dress youselves in middle eastern tincs and turban and i will continue to hang around with my shirt and pants and nothing that even resemble arab dress.

You can wear whatever you want, but some of us consider historical reality as an important factor in deciding what is authentic Jewish culture.   Some of us here consider historical reality, stam, unlike others who seem to think history is irrelevant or can be invented wholecloth on whim.  Look in the Torah and the Talmud and you will see an ancient style of dress that is no longer in style for most peoples today.   If arabs dress like us, let them, but let them keep their unique cultural symbols like the kefiya which I want nothing to do with.

I certainly prefer beged ivri (especially if I'm living in a nationalist settlement in Judea/Samaria, G-d willing) to wearing a black cloak and top hat.

fine.as long as you guys will not make me wear that clothes i will not say a thing.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

fine.as long as you guys will not make me wear that clothes i will not say a thing.

Why would I make you wear anything?

You shouldn't assume that because certain religious Jews do something they will force everyone else to do it if they ever get the chance (or even if not).   I think that is something the Israeli media taught you (and maybe some haredi political parties/adherents to these parties), but it's not true.

[Ben m]

fine.as long as you guys will not make me wear that clothes i will not say a thing.

Why would I make you wear anything?

You shouldn't assume that because certain religious Jews do something they will force everyone else to do it if they ever get the chance (or even if not).   I think that is something the Israeli media taught you (and maybe some haredi political parties/adherents to these parties), but it's not true.

ammmm,actually it is both the media and the haredi parties that taught me taht.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

fine.as long as you guys will not make me wear that clothes i will not say a thing.

Why would I make you wear anything?

You shouldn't assume that because certain religious Jews do something they will force everyone else to do it if they ever get the chance (or even if not).   I think that is something the Israeli media taught you (and maybe some haredi political parties/adherents to these parties), but it's not true.

ammmm,actually it is both the media and the haredi parties that taught me taht.

That's what I said.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

Israeli keffiyeh

IDF keffiyeh

[Luigi]

I like the Israeli design. Especially because it upsets the Fakestinians big time.

[Hyades]

Israeli keffiyeh

IDF keffiyeh

Wow! Where can I get those?

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

Israeli keffiyeh

IDF keffiyeh

Wow! Where can I get those?

I believe this site called "The Kef" sells them.

http://thekef.com/

[JTFenthusiast2]

All Keffiyehs look ratty.  Painting a Jewish star on an armband won't make it look pretty

[Hyades]

Israeli keffiyeh

IDF keffiyeh

Wow! Where can I get those?

I believe this site called "The Kef" sells them.

http://thekef.com/

Thank you!