Huckabee and Daniels feud over abortion and homosexual "marriage"

[christians4jews]

ben i like you as you know, but i am against your position on abortion.

Have you seen the video of aborted babies, trust me, if you showed that video before the lady was going to have the abortion, i bet you 90 percent of the girls wouldnt go through it.


Did you know in the uk babies have survied and have grown up to be healthy at being born at 20 weeks? Abortions are murder. If you are into science then soon as the sperm meets the egg by scientific terms its a human being. Its meets the 4 phases criteria of life, and the full dna is formed for the rest of the babies body.


i have heard poor arguements such as rape. Do people forget its not that easy to get pregnant, and its pretty rare you are going to get raped. So you Cannot form a arguement on something that forms 0.000000000000000001 percent of abortions. Lets face it, its now a form of contraception.

I agree with mike huckabee on this very important issue, god bless him...

[Ben m]

ben i like you as you know, but i am against your position on abortion.

Have you seen the video of aborted babies, trust me, if you showed that video before the lady was going to have the abortion, i bet you 90 percent of the girls wouldnt go through it.


Did you know in the uk babies have survied and have grown up to be healthy at being born at 20 weeks? Abortions are murder. If you are into science then soon as the sperm meets the egg by scientific terms its a human being. Its meets the 4 phases criteria of life, and the full dna is formed for the rest of the babies body.


i have heard poor arguements such as rape. Do people forget its not that easy to get pregnant, and its pretty rare you are going to get raped. So you Cannot form a arguement on something that forms 0.000000000000000001 percent of abortions. Lets face it, its now a form of contraception.

I agree with mike huckabee on this very important issue, G-d bless him...

1) send me a link to the video.
2) there are around 5 weeks or so until the fetus is create from a bunch of cells.in this 5 weeks we are not murdering anyone but just removing cells
3) i hope it will prove to you that me and c4j are not the same person as already one of you think.

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

The only times abortion should be legal are when the woman's life is jeopardized, or in the case of rape.  I used to think that abortions should be legal because people who desire an abortion do SICK things, such as kicking a woman out of a speeding car, or making a woman drink bleach, to abort a fetus, but I now think that draconian-type prison terms involving hard labor should be implemented as a deterrent in lieu of legal abortions.

Good for [President?] Mike Huckabee.

[Rubystars]

I think it's wrong to allow a woman to get an abortion in the case of rape because that baby is still a separate, innocent, and alive human being. It's not their fault that their father was evil and they shouldn't be punished for it with the ultimate penalty.

[Secularbeliever]

I would give up homosexual marriage as an issue, but not abortion. Economic conservatism is extremely important for America's long term survival. If America's economy collapses, everything else will mean nothing because the country will fall apart. America is on that road right now. As a Canadian, I don't want to have to pick up a broken America nor see the result of a total collapse.

בס''ד

If America allows homosexual marriage, G-d will destroy this once great nation. That is why I am pleased that on this issue, Governor Huckabee seems to understand the grave moral and spiritual implications.

I am probably more accepting of homosexuals than most on this board but I see no reason to allow or turn away from the issue of gay marriage.  I don't believe in persecuting homosexuals but I also don't believe in endorsing them.

[TheCoon]

Canada has allowed homosexual "marriages" and we're doing far better nowadays than the US. I think there's a disconnect between recognizing homosexual unions and the Biblical Sodom and Gamorrah. We're talking about nations that used homosexual rape as established practice. If you're that worried about homo marriage, you would NEED to have some kind of religious police make sure people don't get into homosexual relationships in the first place. That is, if its so important that it will bring about the destruction of a nation to even legitimize that behavior.

I don't agree at all with homosexual marriage and I do think its an abomination, but I don't think its anywhere on the level of abortion(legal murder of babies) and the future destruction of America's economy due to socialist economic principles and

Doomsday will not come from a foreign invader or attack. It will come if America doesn't wake up and stop spending insanely, give up socialism and pay down its debt. I don't think people realize how horrible it would be with a total collapse of the US economy and China, the muslims, etc owning whats left of the country.

בס''ד

Canada will also face destruction for the evil and immoral policies that it has enacted.

You seem to feel allowing homosexual "marriage" is crossing some threshold that will trigger God's wrath. Why is it worse to allow homosexual "marriage" than it is to allow homosexuals to openly practice their lifestyle like we do now? Chaim, if homosexual is this much of an abomination to you, you surely think we should stamp it out, no? We live in an era where homosexuality is tolerated as an acceptable lifestyle. God obviously doesn't agree with homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle, yet we tolerate it every day. If you feel homosexual "marriage" will trigger God's wrath on a nation, you must support persecution of homosexuals to stop them from practicing their lifestyle.

Zionist Revolutionary, where in the Bible does it say God demands more from leading nations like the USA? I've never heard such a thing.

Ben, you should reconsider your stance on abortion unless you really believe babies in the womb are not human beings. And still, I think you should reconsider it.

[TheCoon]

I think it's wrong to allow a woman to get an abortion in the case of rape because that baby is still a separate, innocent, and alive human being. It's not their fault that their father was evil and they shouldn't be punished for it with the ultimate penalty.

As much as I can sympathize a mother who gets raped, I would have to agree. The baby is innocent and has a chance to become a good, righteous person.

[JTFenthusiast2]

If it is clear beyond any semblance of reason that the father raped the mother, society should make sure this creature never again has the opportunity to reproduce in the future.  Also legally persecuting homosexuals will only result in further corruption and the creation of  evil of people like Roy Cohn.  Despite what anyone on this forum wants to believe, sexual attraction is not a voluntary conscious choice.  Oppressing people who have this desire is not going to eradicate it, it will only lead to more suicides and disharmony.       

[Rubystars]

DanbenNoah when you say they should be executed are you talking about people who have those feelings and attractions (which are not always voluntary), or people who act on it?

[TheCoon]

Ideally, homosexuals should be executed.  That's the direction we should be pushing, not the opposite direction.  To say that we should allow gay marriage just because homosexuality still happens is like saying we should allow marriage between adults and minors just because sexual activity takes place between these two.  And marriage is not just a piece of paper, it signifies a holy union and the basis of a family, which is mocked by so-called "gay" marriage.  America and Canada are already being punished and will continue to be punished for even allowing it (not just homosexuality, but adultery also), and they will be punished all the more if they actually sanction it.

That's not a fair comparison at all. Homosexuals are consenting adults while minors are universally considered in our society to be not intelligent/aware enough to give consent for such activities/relationships. You must agree that homosexuals, regardless of the immorality of their choice, are consenting to it knowingly.

An acknowledgement of a union/marriage by a nation has nothing to do with being holy, nor is it the basis for any family. Nations are artificial creations by man. There's a different between a country forcing a pastor, priest or rabbi to marry to homosexuals than having some public servant give them a paper saying they're married. I would agree if we forced religions to recognize the "marriages" given by the state it would be horrific, but what really is happening is far less damning, in my opinion. I'm a Christian. As long as the state doesn't force my religion to accept them, I could care less. What does it mean if two homos say they're getting married? It probably lessens the chance of them going out and spreading AIDS or other horrible disease through promiscuity. That's looking at it from a more logical standpoint of societal benefit.

There's far more pressing things going on like keeping western countries from going bankrupt.

I commend Dan Ben Noah for standing up for his point of view like that. If you're against gay "marriage" so strongly you must also be against homosexuality in general just as strongly even to the point where its punishable by death. Until people are willing to go that far, its hypocritical to use gay "marriage" as a watershed moral issue.

[Zelhar]

If it is clear beyond any semblance of reason that the father raped the mother, society should make sure this creature never again has the opportunity to reproduce in the future.  Also legally persecuting homosexuals will only result in further corruption and the creation of  evil of people like Roy Cohn.  Despite what anyone on this forum wants to believe, sexual attraction is not a voluntary conscious choice.  Oppressing people who have this desire is not going to eradicate it, it will only lead to more suicides and disharmony.       

I think even most JTFers don't wan't to pursue homosexuals but to contain out of the public life. What is the meaning of same-sex marriage ? The people who campaign in its favor usually present it as a matter of civil rights but they neglect to mention the economical and sociological impact. It goes far beyond the question of whether such couples deserve the ceremonial recognition.

I personally am against it because I think society benefits from normal couples who produce children- in the usual and most economic way. It is the interest of our societies to support and encourage the institution of traditional marriage. Whereas the types of alternative families like single mothers, same sex, and whatever are an economical burden, and thus shouldn't be supported financially or otherwise.

[JTFenthusiast2]

Danbennoah,  you push for whatever you want, freedom of speech and all, but you sound like the vanguard of Islam, strike that, Wahabiism

[TheCoon]

Well you could use other comparisons like marriage between siblings or polygamy.  These behaviors are illegal even though it involves consenting adults.  But I think it is still a fair comparison because the issue is morality of society and not the age of consent, which some people might say the age of consent should be pushed younger.

And yes, a nation is not righteous if they sanction evil.  Man creates a government, G-d judges it.  Also, allowing one thing leads straight to another.  For example, homosexuality is allowed now between consenting adults.  Now they want it to be sanctioned by marriage.  Soon they will be forcing religions to accept it, there are already advocates of hate crime legislation to make it against the law for religions to condemn homosexuality.  This is no different than shaaria creep, it's only the religious doctrine of atheists that we're being forced to accept as opposed to that of Muslims.

Same for polygamy and sibling/relative marriages. As long as they don't force my church to accept/condone it, I could care less. It's up to the nation to decide what it wants to outlaw. Again, if the real issue is legislating morality according to the Bible, then it is hypocritical to oppose gay "marriage" while not also promoting actions to eliminate homosexuality altogether.

Our nations have already sanctioned homosexuality by allowing it to be practiced in the open. It's an acceptable lifestyle. Even if you ask religious people who are against it they'll say something like "As long as they keep to themselves." What's the difference if we wink/nod at homosexuals now or give them a piece of paper saying they're a couple? G-d could give a drek whether or not our sanctioning is in the form of a piece of paper.

The point you make about the slippery slope is a valid one. I do believe some of that does exist, and we will have to face it when it happens. I DO think though that at the moment we have more pressing and important matters like, as I've said, stopping western nations from going bankrupt thanks to socialist economic policies and impossible debt. From my point of view, that's far more important than stopping gay "marriage" from passing.

1000 posts wow

[eb22]

I think it's wrong to allow a woman to get an abortion in the case of rape because that baby is still a separate, innocent, and alive human being. It's not their fault that their father was evil and they shouldn't be punished for it with the ultimate penalty.

I'm in agreement.       While I would totally support the mother of the baby if she wanted to give the baby up to an adoption agency,     the baby should have the opportunity to live.       There's a married couple out their that would love to welcome the baby into their family.   

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

and 3 million more babies by his Nazi lovers.

This individual is never going to have children, because he is never going to be intimate with a woman. 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Side topic--I hate the faggots as much as anyone else here, but I don't quite buy it that it is the very worst of sins. I don't see how it is worse than adultery or sleeping around in general. Adultery is also punishable by death. The latter two things (esp. regular old fornication) are much more common than homosexuality and I think G-d hates them just as much.

[muman613]

Side topic--I hate the faggots as much as anyone else here, but I don't quite buy it that it is the very worst of sins. I don't see how it is worse than adultery or sleeping around in general. Adultery is also punishable by death. The latter two things (esp. regular old fornication) are much more common than homosexuality and I think G-d hates them just as much.

Thats fine with me...

Lets bring back the adultery laws...

[nessuno]

Ideally, homosexuals should be executed.  That's the direction we should be pushing, not the opposite direction.  To say that we should allow gay marriage just because homosexuality still happens is like saying we should allow marriage between adults and minors just because sexual activity takes place between these two.  And marriage is not just a piece of paper, it signifies a holy union and the basis of a family, which is mocked by so-called "gay" marriage.  America and Canada are already being punished and will continue to be punished for even allowing it (not just homosexuality, but adultery also), and they will be punished all the more if they actually sanction it.

executed? 

[cjd]

Ideally, homosexuals should be executed.  That's the direction we should be pushing, not the opposite direction.  To say that we should allow gay marriage just because homosexuality still happens is like saying we should allow marriage between adults and minors just because sexual activity takes place between these two.  And marriage is not just a piece of paper, it signifies a holy union and the basis of a family, which is mocked by so-called "gay" marriage.  America and Canada are already being punished and will continue to be punished for even allowing it (not just homosexuality, but adultery also), and they will be punished all the more if they actually sanction it.

executed? 

Execution is such a messy business ..... Can't we just get them to go back into the closet? The problem with executions is that after awhile it becomes a run of the mill business and their is no telling who the big mockers will want to bump off next when they run out of homosexuals. If they start on the people who  also practice adultery.... half of todays population may end up in the cemetery.

[takebackourtemple]

I would give up homosexual marriage as an issue, but not abortion. Economic conservatism is extremely important for America's long term survival. If America's economy collapses, everything else will mean nothing because the country will fall apart. America is on that road right now. As a Canadian, I don't want to have to pick up a broken America nor see the result of a total collapse.

בס''ד

If America allows homosexual marriage, G-d will destroy this once great nation. That is why I am pleased that on this issue, Governor Huckabee seems to understand the grave moral and spiritual implications.

   While I would not completely give up homosexual marriage as an issue, I do agree with Thunderbolt to an extent.
   If we concentrate more on the economic battlefront than the sodomy battlefront, we can set the economic policy so homosexual relationships are very difficult. For example, we can pull money from all AIDS research and educate people that if they do the wrong thing, there will be consequences to their actions.
   I would like to see same sex marriages used as a way to register homosexuals, rather than using it to give them privileges with no responsibilities. Health insurance companies should be able to use this information to calculate risk.
   While homosexual relationships involves people's conscience decision to do the wrong thing, it is at least the choice between both parties. In the case of abortion, it is only the choice of one, plus murder is involved.
   While an STD is a fair punishment for homosexual intercourse, the death penalty is more suited for someone who murders(their own child of all people). We need to protect the unborn. Of course we need to prevent both sins if we are in a position of power to.

[Ben m]

and 3 million more babies by his Nazi lovers.

This individual is never going to have children, because he is never going to be intimate with a woman. 

actually many women wanted to date me.i refused them beacuse i want to occupay myself in study instead of girls and romance.

[Dr. Dan]

It's already legitimized by the government. That's the point I'm trying to make.

The governments are evil and we should never compromise and be unrelenting when it comes down to accepting or promoting evil behavior.  When the govt looks away from Gd, then bad things happen.

Secondly, while this generation is all fine with homosexuality and stuff, what will come of the next generation?  Accepting of pedophilia, beastiality, Gd forbid? 

[Dr. Dan]

Abortion is only permitted when the mother is going to die giving birth.  Not when she's pregnant and mother and child is healthy...Your opinion is very wrong...

i would do the opposite.i would allow abortion but would make homosexuality a criminal offence.

You are sick

and what make you think so? and i also think that chaim told you to step aside and stop feuding with me in the ask jtf program.

Saying that you support killing an innocent baby. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?

did you ever heard about theright to use your body in any mean you want to.at the pregnancy stage the baby is still part of the woman body therefore she can choose to remove him at any time.

[Dr. Dan]

C4J: in regards to rape...I believe that after a woman is raped she should go straight to take "Plan B" which is a hormone that will prevent fertilization...Not wait and see if she gets pregnant.

ben i like you as you know, but i am against your position on abortion.

Have you seen the video of aborted babies, trust me, if you showed that video before the lady was going to have the abortion, i bet you 90 percent of the girls wouldnt go through it.


Did you know in the uk babies have survied and have grown up to be healthy at being born at 20 weeks? Abortions are murder. If you are into science then soon as the sperm meets the egg by scientific terms its a human being. Its meets the 4 phases criteria of life, and the full dna is formed for the rest of the babies body.


i have heard poor arguements such as rape. Do people forget its not that easy to get pregnant, and its pretty rare you are going to get raped. So you Cannot form a arguement on something that forms 0.000000000000000001 percent of abortions. Lets face it, its now a form of contraception.

I agree with mike huckabee on this very important issue, G-d bless him...

[Dr. Dan]

If it is clear beyond any semblance of reason that the father raped the mother, society should make sure this creature never again has the opportunity to reproduce in the future.  Also legally persecuting homosexuals will only result in further corruption and the creation of  evil of people like Roy Cohn.  Despite what anyone on this forum wants to believe, sexual attraction is not a voluntary conscious choice.  Oppressing people who have this desire is not going to eradicate it, it will only lead to more suicides and disharmony.       

JTFe2 I think you're right.  Homosexuals shouldn't be persecuted.  They should be encouraged to control their behavior.  Controlling feelings is up to that person since in many homosexuals it is a natural inclination and not a choice.