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Re: british propaganda.
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2010, 12:02:26 AM »
The British would do such things? As a person of Irish ancestry I know just who and what they are.
Just read about the years 1946 til 1948 and the establishment of the stae of Israel. Yes we hear
much about the crimes of Nationalist Socialist Germany. But the British Empire has the the blood
of the victims of centuries of murder and genocide on their stained hands. They just got away with it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2010, 04:15:04 AM »
The British would do such things? As a person of Irish ancestry I know just who and what they are.
Just read about the years 1946 til 1948 and the establishment of the stae of Israel. Yes we hear
much about the crimes of Nationalist Socialist Germany. But the British Empire has the the blood
of the victims of centuries of murder and genocide on their stained hands. They just got away with it.

I fail to see how a news agency cropping a photo gives rise to propaganda from Sinn Fein / IRA talking points...?

re: the establishment of Israel, I accept that Britain acted immorally and irrationally by sacrificing Jews in return for short-term oil interests, but I fail to see how you can possibly compare this, or anything that happened under colonialism, to the Holocaust.  It is disgusting for you to use the Holocaust as a mere tool to further your own unionist cause of hatred of the UK.  Whatever crimes may have been committed by Britain during the Empire, they were never in the same magnitude as the genocidal, planned, industrial mass-extermination of six million people, of an entire race of people.

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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2010, 08:46:36 AM »
Believe it or not. It was shown here in German televison. They have shown a lot of Reuters fakes. From Lebanon, "Palestine", Iraq and elsewhere. It was shocking and it can make you having doubt about ANY news you see in the media! Reuters has severly damaged it's reputation...

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2010, 10:25:56 AM »
The British would do such things? As a person of Irish ancestry I know just who and what they are.
Just read about the years 1946 til 1948 and the establishment of the stae of Israel. Yes we hear
much about the crimes of Nationalist Socialist Germany. But the British Empire has the the blood
of the victims of centuries of murder and genocide on their stained hands. They just got away with it.

I fail to see how a news agency cropping a photo gives rise to propaganda from Sinn Fein / IRA talking points...?

re: the establishment of Israel, I accept that Britain acted immorally and irrationally by sacrificing Jews in return for short-term oil interests, but I fail to see how you can possibly compare this, or anything that happened under colonialism, to the Holocaust.  It is disgusting for you to use the Holocaust as a mere tool to further your own unionist cause of hatred of the UK.  Whatever crimes may have been committed by Britain during the Empire, they were never in the same magnitude as the genocidal, planned, industrial mass-extermination of six million people, of an entire race of people.

What do you see? enlighten JTF on the niceties they showed Jews thought the millennium. The white papers? I don't know.

 I don't hate the British  I don't expect anything more from these bums , I love Jews though and the amazing righteous gentiles i have met on this forum more Jews should be like them  oh , and
how do you see the British then?. entertain me.! Its people like you that give them a bad name such as this statement-

"It is disgusting for you to use the Holocaust as a mere tool to further your own unionist cause of hatred of the UK.  Whatever crimes may have been committed by Britain during the Empire, they were never in the same magnitude"

Wow big statement you sure you can back that up? because I have done this before its way to easy.

Its pretty easy to show you all the evidence in the world and for you to reply smugly, "I fail to see"

Again please , entertain us. :::D

Im sure you are not a bad person and im sure there is always gonna be things people disagree on .. Tell me more though this time im not joking, please dont ignore this post.
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Re: british propaganda.
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 11:00:33 AM »
Of course I agree with 18chai. The British (or Harb al-Britanni as the new rulers of England call it) will be eliminated for what they have done against the Jewish people in their own land and to more than 6 million Jews who were murdered by their German lovers.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2010, 11:05:44 AM »
What do you see? enlighten JTF on the niceties they showed Jews thought the millennium. The white papers? I don't know.

 I don't hate the British  I don't expect anything more from these bums , I love Jews though and the amazing righteous gentiles i have met on this forum more Jews should be like them  oh , and
how do you see the British then?. entertain me.! Its people like you that give them a bad name such as this statement-

"It is disgusting for you to use the Holocaust as a mere tool to further your own unionist cause of hatred of the UK.  Whatever crimes may have been committed by Britain during the Empire, they were never in the same magnitude"

Wow big statement you sure you can back that up? because I have done this before its way to easy.

Its pretty easy to show you all the evidence in the world and for you to reply smugly, "I fail to see"

Again please , entertain us. :::D

Did I suggest that the British government has ever gone out of its way to help the Jews? No, I didn't.
Did I say that the British had never done wrong?  Of course not. I directly stated that they had indeed committed crimes during the imperial era, but I explicitly argued that whatever shortcomings existed, whatever crimes took place, they were not comparable to the Holocaust.  If you or the original poster are suggesting that the British government has ever committed any crime as bad as or comparable to the Holocaust, it is up to you to provide the details.

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Re: british propaganda.
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2010, 02:05:59 PM »
What do you see? enlighten JTF on the niceties they showed Jews thought the millennium. The white papers? I don't know.

 I don't hate the British  I don't expect anything more from these bums , I love Jews though and the amazing righteous gentiles i have met on this forum more Jews should be like them  oh , and
how do you see the British then?. entertain me.! Its people like you that give them a bad name such as this statement-

"It is disgusting for you to use the Holocaust as a mere tool to further your own unionist cause of hatred of the UK.  Whatever crimes may have been committed by Britain during the Empire, they were never in the same magnitude"

Wow big statement you sure you can back that up? because I have done this before its way to easy.

Its pretty easy to show you all the evidence in the world and for you to reply smugly, "I fail to see"

Again please , entertain us. :::D

Did I suggest that the British government has ever gone out of its way to help the Jews? No, I didn't.
Did I say that the British had never done wrong?  Of course not. I directly stated that they had indeed committed crimes during the imperial era, but I explicitly argued that whatever shortcomings existed, whatever crimes took place, they were not comparable to the Holocaust.  If you or the original poster are suggesting that the British government has ever committed any crime as bad as or comparable to the Holocaust, it is up to you to provide the details.

Ive done a post on that ,Im sure you have seen it, if not take a look , you can search my posts.

Look , I take it you are a British  gentile  and are anti a 2 state solution  and pro Israel?
Im also sure you know if Britain had its way they would give Israel to the Arabs..Thats all that matters , If not please Elaborate.

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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 05:07:11 PM »
Ive done a post on that ,Im sure you have seen it, if not take a look , you can search my posts.

never seen it, can't be bothered to search your posts for it.  I don't want a novel, but if you think the British have commited crimes comparable to the Holocaust, just name them and I'll google them myself.

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Look , I take it you are a British  gentile  and are anti a 2 state solution  and pro Israel?

of course.
well, I am actually in favour of a two state solution - the British govt provided for that in 1920 when we partitioned Palestine into a state for the arabs (which became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan), leaving the remaining 25% for Jewish settlement.  The 25% of Palestine that is now known as "Greater Israel" is and must always remain Jewish territory.

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Im also sure you know if Britain had its way they would give Israel to the Arabs..

I am not sure that is correct, at best it is hyperbole.
The British government is a weak duplicitous back-stabbing poor friend of Israel, but it remains committed to Israel as a 'Jewish' state. It is very much in favour of a two-state solution.  We agree that this policy is wrong, naive, foolish etc etc, but the British government does not want to give the whole of Israel to the arabs.

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Thats all that matters , If not please Elaborate.

I think you misunderstood my initial post.  I was more annoyed at the inappropriate use of the Holocaust than the puzzling presence of unreasoned anti-British hostility in a thread about the media manipulation of images.  Using the Holocaust cheapens and demeans the evil that it represents.  I never claimed Britain was virginal and pure, but for all her faults historically she has never done anything on a scale of the Holocaust.

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Re: British propaganda.
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 05:16:01 PM »
Just today the Lehi organization celebrated 70 years since the struggle against Britain.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/138066/



Freedom Fighters Celebrate 70th Anniversary in Jerusalem
Tammuz 2, 5770, 14 June 10 10:26
by Avi Yellin


(Israelnationalnews.com) Veteran fighters from the Lehi Underground ("Lohamey Herut Yisrael" - Fighters for the Freedom of Israel) that fought the British Empire during the 1940s to liberate the Land of Israel, gathered in Jerusalem Sunday night to celebrate the 70th anniversary of their movement’s founding.

The ceremony, which packed the capital’s Menachem Begin Heritage Center to capacity, included speeches from Lehi veterans and leading politicians as well as musical interludes featuring Zionist poetry from the era of the anti-British struggle for freedom.

Lehi was founded in 1940 by revolutionary poet Avraham “Yair” Stern after the "Irgun Tzvai Leumi" (National Military Organization) agreed to a ceasefire with Britain while the British were engaged in fighting Nazi Germany. Stern, then an Irgun commander, criticized the ceasefire and argued that although the Germans were haters of the Jewish people, the British were the primary enemy of the Jewish people and that only through liberating the Land of Israel from British rule could the Jews of Europe be saved by having an independent Jewish state to which to flee.

Stern led his followers out of the Irgun and launched an urban guerrilla war against the British occupation of Palestine.

The British administration reacted swiftly to Lehi’s insurrection with a series of arrests and targeted assassinations. Stern himself was shot dead while handcuffed by British detectives in 1942 after being discovered in a Tel Aviv apartment. Although the movement’s leadership was either dead or imprisoned and the organization was virtually extinct, Lehi fighters began to stage daring jailbreaks and eventually reorganized their movement into an effective clandestine underground led by the triumvirate of Natan Yellin-Mor, Dr. Israel Eldad and future Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir.

According to Lehi Heritage Foundation Chairman Yair Stern (son of slain leader Avraham Stern), the movement included fighters from all walks of life “including Ashkenazim and Sephardim, secular and religious, left and right, ultra-Orthodox Jews from Mea Sha'arim and Arabs from Abu-Ghosh.” All were united in the common anti-imperialist struggle to liberate the Land of Israel from British rule.

Following World War II, when the Irgun – and for a very brief period also the "Haganah" – joined in the struggle against British occupation in Palestine, Lehi adopted a “Neutralization Plan” for the Middle East that would prevent the region from taking sides in the Cold War between the United States and Soviet Union. Lehi proposed a unification of Middle Eastern peoples against imperialism in the region and called on the Arab proletariat to join in the broader anti-imperialist struggle by overthrowing their puppet leaders, such as the Hashemite King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan.

When the British were forced to end their occupation of Palestine in 1947, a pro-Soviet trend had already taken root within Lehi. For the Marxists within the movement, this trend was ideological but for others it was tactical. Soviet Russia viewed Britain and the United States as enemies and looked favorably upon militant national liberation movements fighting against the forces of Western imperialism. Lehi’s daring actions and anti-imperialist ideology greatly impressed the Soviet Union and contributed to Moscow’s temporary support for the establishment of a Jewish state.

At the ceremony on Sunday marking 70 years since Lehi’s establishment, Minister of Culture and Sport Limor Livnat (Likud) said that “unfortunately after 62 years of Jewish statehood we see that we still cannot disband the Israel Defense Forces,” to which Member of Knesset Professor Arieh Eldad (National Union) responded, “After 62 years we plainly see that we should have never disbanded Lehi.”

Eldad, whose late father Dr. Israel Eldad served as Lehi’s ideological leader following Stern’s assassination, went on to speak about the movement’s platform, the "18 Principles of Rebirth," which includes the establishment of a utopian society based on the morality of Israel and justice of the Prophets as well as the construction of the Third Temple in Jerusalem as a symbol of the Jewish people’s complete liberation.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: British propaganda.
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 05:22:39 PM »


Unknown Soldiers are we, without uniform
And around us fear and the shadow of death
We have all been drafted for life.
Only death will discharge us from our ranks,

On red days of riots and blood
In the dark nights of despair
In towns and villages shall we raise our banner
On which are inscribed defence and conquest

We were not drafted by the whip, like a mob of slaves
To shed our blood in foreign lands
Our will is to be forever free
Our dream - to die for our country

From all directions, tens of thousands of obstacles
Cruel fate has placed on our path
But enemies, spies and prison houses
Will never be able to stop us

And if we fall in the streets and homes
We will be buried silently in the night
Thousands of others will fill our places
To protect and defend forever

With the tears of bereaved mothers
And the blood of pure babies
Like mortar shall we put together the cadaver building blocks
The edifice of the homeland shall we raise

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Re: British propaganda.
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2010, 06:26:50 PM »
Rebel you state;

   



"of course.
well, I am actually in favour of a two state solution - the British govt provided for that in 1920 when we partitioned Palestine into a state for the arabs (which became the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan), leaving the remaining 25% for Jewish settlement."

Then you go on to say

 "The 25% of Palestine that is now known as "Greater Israel" is and must always remain Jewish territory."

are you saying we should go back to pre1967 borders?

boy you guys sure bend over backwards creating organized Arab Muslim zones and training them how to fight  (and we still wipe their behinds) I hope you feel special for nothing.
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 01:32:10 PM »
...No comment I thought so.

Dont pretend you are pro Israel .. You aren't.

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2010, 09:05:13 PM »
The British would do such things? As a person of Irish ancestry I know just who and what they are.
Just read about the years 1946 til 1948 and the establishment of the stae of Israel. Yes we hear
much about the crimes of Nationalist Socialist Germany. But the British Empire has the the blood
of the victims of centuries of murder and genocide on their stained hands. They just got away with it.

I fail to see how a news agency cropping a photo gives rise to propaganda from Sinn Fein / IRA talking points...?

re: the establishment of Israel, I accept that Britain acted immorally and irrationally by sacrificing Jews in return for short-term oil interests, but I fail to see how you can possibly compare this, or anything that happened under colonialism, to the Holocaust.  It is disgusting for you to use the Holocaust as a mere tool to further your own unionist cause of hatred of the UK.  Whatever crimes may have been committed by Britain during the Empire, they were never in the same magnitude as the genocidal, planned, industrial mass-extermination of six million people, of an entire race of people.
As I have been out of the country for awhile I have not had the opportunity to respond to this ignorant response to my post. And it is truly ignorant. For starters read about the so called "Great Famine" which occurred in Ireland in the 1840s.
It was not a "famine", it was systematic starvation. You see, only one crop failed THE POTATO! Agricultural products were being shipped out of the country as people starved! You see the British shippers controlled the system so that agricultural products other then the potato would first have to be shipped out of the country and then shipped  back in so the shippers got their cut at both ends. All this as over a million people straved to death. Or perhaps dead Irish Catholics simply do not mean much to something like you. Or shall we discuss Oliver Cromwell? Learn some history IDIOT!!!

And by the way twit, I have not been a supporter IRA since they began their latest campaign in 1969 and never of Sein Fein. I do not care for Jerry Adams. But I have no use for the British aristocracy and those who support them.

The British Empire has been a regime of genocidal murderers for centuries...China, India, Ireland, Scotland, the Americas, Africa...any place their miserable union jack has flown. You are either very young or  simply stupid. Again, LEARN SOME HISTORY. You obviously know little!

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2010, 09:58:33 PM »
VOYAGER'S stated position is very strong.

Even the German people held a long and deep seated resentment against the British Empire for the way it had deceived almost every other nation and committed heinous crimes against humanity with impunity, and Hitler used it to rally Germans under the banner of the Reich as a way to seek revenge.

If bloodshed is to be balanced against bloodshed irrespective of all else, Great Britain is guiltier than almost any one other nation in history.

The truth hurts.