SaudiArab women threaten to breastfeed drivers if they aren't allowed to drive

[✡ Hindu Zionist ॐ]

Many were stunned when Saudi cleric Sheik Abdel Mohsen Obeikan recently issued a fatwa, or Islamic ruling, calling on women to give breast milk to their male colleagues or men they come into regular contact with so as to avoid illicit mixing between the sexes.

But a group of Saudi women has taken the controversial decree a step further in a new campaign to gain the right to drive in the ultra-conservative kingdom, media reports say.

If they're not granted the right to drive, the women are threatening to breastfeed their drivers to establish a symbolic maternal bond.

"Is this is all that is left to us to do: to give our breasts to the foreign drivers?" a Saudi woman named Fatima Shammary was quoted as saying by Gulf News.

Obeikan argued in his decree that if the women give their drivers their breast milk, the chauffeurs would be able to mingle with all members of the family without having to worry about violating Islamic law. Some Islamic scholars frown on the mixing of unmarried men and women. Islamic tradition, or hadith, stipulates that breastfeeding establishes a maternal bond, even if a woman breastfeeds a child who is not her own.

Drawing from the cleric's advocacy, the women have reportedly chosen a slogan for their campaign that translates to, "We either be allowed to drive or breastfeed foreigners."
The current driving ban applies to all women in Saudi Arabia, regardless of their nationality, and it's been a topic of heated public debate in recent years.

The ban on driving was unofficial at first but was introduced as official legislation after 47 Saudi women drove cars through the streets of the Saudi capital, Riyadh, in 1990 in an attempt to challenge authorities.

The incident brought harsh consequences for the women, who were jailed for a day and had their passports confiscated. Many of them were said to have been forced to leave their jobs after the driving protest.

Still, every now and then, reports of Saudi women driving in defiance of the ban emerge in the media.

Two years ago, 125 women in Saudi Arabia signed a petition that called on the Saudi interior minister to lift the ban.

One of the Saudi female signatories, Wajeha Huwaider, posted a video of herself driving on YouTube in a direct appeal to the Saudi authorities to allow women to drive.

"For women to drive is not a political issue," Wajeha said as she sat behind the wheel. "It is not a religious issue. It is a social issue, and we know that many women of our society are capable of driving cars. We also know that many families will allow their women to drive." 

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/06/saudi-women-use-fatwa-in-driving-bid.html

[Rubystars]

That's such an interesting form of protest. My question is, how do the drivers feel about it?

[Ari Ben-Canaan]

I believe the fatwa explicitly did not include drivers.  So it would be halal to kill these women by Saudi law.  What a country.

[Raulmarrio2000]

According to Islam, if a woman once brest-feeds a man, that man is a relative ( like a foster son -with whom sex is strictly forbidden-), so it is permitted to have close contact as relatives. Similar to the Jewish rules of Ichud, in which close relatives (mother and son, father and daughter) are allowed to stay alone in a room since it would be unthinkable that they would engage in any immoral approach.
But I don't know how that would affect driving. If those women are alone or with another woman in the car, what's the problem? And if they happen to be with a man who is not a relative, how can they brest-feed all men in the country? and if they do so, whom they shall marry?

[Rubystars]

In Saudi Arabia women are guilty until proven innocent, of being whores. They basically think there's no reason for a woman to be going anywhere without her male caretaker anyway unless she's going to go whore herself. It's a very strange society.

[Dr. Dan]

Yuck! Who wants sour milk!?

[TruthSpreader]

It's such a disgrace on how women are treated in that awful country.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

According to Islam, if a woman once brest-feeds a man, that man is a relative ( like a foster son -with whom sex is strictly forbidden-), so it is permitted to have close contact as relatives.
Similar to

Chas ve'shalom.  Do not call this "similar" to anything Jewish.  That they magically turn non-relatives into relatives (through breastfeeding a stranger?  What kind of sick junk is that?) has absolutely NOTHING to do with Judaism and is Muhammad's own twisted perversion.   Do not mention Judaism in the same sentence with this insanity.

the Jewish rules of Ichud, in which close relatives (mother and son, father and daughter) are allowed to stay alone in a room since it would be unthinkable that they would engage in any immoral approach. 

Yes but no one becomes magically related as father and daughter or mother and son or mother and daughter etc etc if they were not actually born to the person.   No matter what obscure rituals or activities with breasts are performed.

But I don't know how that would affect driving. If those women are alone or with another woman in the car, what's the problem? And if they happen to be with a man who is not a relative, how can they brest-feed all men in the country? and if they do so, whom they shall marry?

You ever consider that Islam has its own idiotic and crazy rules that have nothing to do with Judaism?   Why do you think that saudi women driving cars has anything to do with yichud?   The two are not related.   The Saudi clerics don't want women to drive because they view women as slaves in Islam.  Pretty simple.

In any case, I don't believe there is a problem of "yichud" in a car!   Is there?      Either way, do not conflate issues and fake religions with Judaism.

[Spiraling Leopard]

I'm sold! I'm moving to arabia!

[Yaacov Ben Yehuda]

weird disgusting and weird

[Lisa]

What if the women aren't lactating? 

[Dr. Dan]

Well who's checking?

[Raulmarrio2000]

According to Islam, if a woman once brest-feeds a man, that man is a relative ( like a foster son -with whom sex is strictly forbidden-), so it is permitted to have close contact as relatives.
Similar to

Chas ve'shalom.  Do not call this "similar" to anything Jewish.  That they magically turn non-relatives into relatives (through breastfeeding a stranger?  What kind of sick junk is that?) has absolutely NOTHING to do with Judaism and is Muhammad's own twisted perversion.   Do not mention Judaism in the same sentence with this insanity.

the Jewish rules of Ichud, in which close relatives (mother and son, father and daughter) are allowed to stay alone in a room since it would be unthinkable that they would engage in any immoral approach. 

Yes but no one becomes magically related as father and daughter or mother and son or mother and daughter etc etc if they were not actually born to the person.   No matter what obscure rituals or activities with breasts are performed.

But I don't know how that would affect driving. If those women are alone or with another woman in the car, what's the problem? And if they happen to be with a man who is not a relative, how can they brest-feed all men in the country? and if they do so, whom they shall marry?

You ever consider that Islam has its own idiotic and crazy rules that have nothing to do with Judaism?   Why do you think that saudi women driving cars has anything to do with yichud?   The two are not related.   The Saudi clerics don't want women to drive because they view women as slaves in Islam.  Pretty simple.

In any case, I don't believe there is a problem of "yichud" in a car!   Is there?      Either way, do not conflate issues and fake religions with Judaism.

Sorry. I only said that there is a rule according to which very close relatives are allowed to stay alone in the same room while further relatives or a married woman with a non-relative are forbidden to do so.
You are right, there is no way of magically becoming relatives in Judaism. Acquired kinship exists among Muslims through breastfeeding (I doubt it was used intentionally in history, it only meant that a woman who brought up a child and breastfeeded him could not marry him later). Among Catholics, g-dmothers and g-dfathers are forbiden to marry their g-dchildren, even if the child is a convert to Catholicism who gets baptized in his adulthood.
I believe that secular society here would also see it wrong for a woman who broght-up a child to marry him later since they usually consider it forbidden to marry a foster relative.
But this intentional trick proposed by that Arabs is crazy cruel and obscene. One must be really sick to create a kinship (even if valid in that culture) only to be allowed to be near or work together. What if they want to marry later? It can even lead to incest. I'd like to see what leftists would say if they learn about that. Spain is always having problems because thier rule that the Crown is inherited only by men and Arabs can openly forbid women to drive! Funny, isn't it?