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Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« on: June 27, 2010, 03:05:56 AM »
This is from March, so I'm not sure if anyone posted on it yet.  This is a 2-hour audio but it mentions that there is a live kosher red heifer in Israel currently and they're keeping it on the down low.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2001
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 03:10:46 AM »
Time to smash those hideous mosques into pieces and clear away the rubble :)!!
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 10:33:03 AM »

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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 10:42:41 AM »
I wonder if it meets all the Toranic requirements..

1) It is completely Red, not having two non-Red hairs..
2) It is completely free of any Mum... Any disqualifying imperfections.
3) Is at least three years old...

Remember the Parasha of the Red Cow was just over a week ago.. Parasha Chukat.

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THE RED HEIFER

Contact with death causes spiritual impurity (see Numbers 5:1). One who is spiritually impure was forbidden to enter the Holy Temple or to partake of sacrifices, until undergoing a purification process. The process consisted of selecting an entirely red heifer (a brownish red, a normal color of cows):

   1. with no more than one black hair,
   2. that never carried anything for a human, and
   3. had no physical blemish.

The Red Heifer represented the idea of pure animalism. The heifer was taken out of the sanctuary (there was no place for such raw animalism in G-d's Temple), where it was slaughtered and totally burned, together with a branch of cedar wood, hyssop bush, and a piece of red wool dyed with the blood of a worm - symbolizing the highest and lowest species in the plant and animal world. The ashes were mixed with water from a living spring (symbolizing the water-like flow of Torah), and sprinkled on the impure person or vessel on the third and seventh days. At that point, the person became purified.
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 10:47:34 AM »
OK.. I am innocent. I dont know what the significance of a red heifer is. What is it
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2010, 10:49:38 AM »
Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on June 27, 2010, 03:05:56 AM
This is from March, so I'm not sure if anyone posted on it yet.  This is a 2-hour audio but it mentions that there is a live kosher red heifer in Israel currently and they're keeping it on the down low.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2001

Very interesting.

The Red heffer is needed to reinstitute some lost halachot and to help usher in the Third Temple period.  Many believe that its reappearance is a sign of the coming redemption.
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 10:50:04 AM »
Quote from: AsheDina on June 27, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
OK.. I am innocent. I dont know what the significance of a red heifer is. What is it

As I just posted above...

The Red Cow is needed for the purification ritual... We are all impure from contact with the Dead... The Torah proscribes the way to remove this impurity...

We must have a completely red cow, he will be slaughtered, he will be burned with certain other substances and the ashes mixed with water.. This mixture will be sprinkled by the Kohen on the impure individual... The impure person will become purified while the Kohen applying it will become impure...

This law is one of the laws called "Chukim" meaning that the way it works is not known to us.. It is considered a super-rational law...

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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2010, 10:52:40 AM »
See my discussion of Chukat in the Torah forum :

http://jtf.org/forum_english/index.php/topic,47019.0.html
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2010, 10:56:41 AM »
Kosher red heifers are extremely rare because they can't even have one white hair.  It is said that from the time of Moses through the Second Temple period there have only been 9 red heifers slaughtered.  The 10th red heifer is thought to signify the redemption is at hand because with it people and vessels can be purified to actually go on the Temple Mount and the Third Temple can be rebuilt.
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2010, 11:01:21 AM »
How many more times are they gonna say that and the admit it wasn't kosher?

Honestly ,Im tiered of this. Im not being cranky or anything but I mean, this is the 3rd time already , can I be blamed?
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2010, 11:59:49 AM »
Re:  "We must have a completely red cow, he will be slaughtered, he will be burned with certain other substances and the ashes mixed with water.. This mixture will be sprinkled by the Kohen on the impure individual... The impure person will become purified while the Kohen applying it will become impure..."

Seriously?

All this time I thought "Red Heifer" referred to an ancient brand of chewing tobacco; kind of like "Bull of the Woods"!

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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 12:21:56 PM »
Quote from: Dan Ben Noah on June 27, 2010, 10:56:41 AM
Kosher red heifers are extremely rare because they can't even have one white hair.  It is said that from the time of Moses through the Second Temple period there have only been 9 red heifers slaughtered.  The 10th red heifer is thought to signify the redemption is at hand because with it people and vessels can be purified to actually go on the Temple Mount and the Third Temple can be rebuilt.

Actually it can have one {maybe even two} non-Red hairs according to the Halacha I learned, two may invalidate it...

http://www.ou.org/torah/tt/5761/chukat61/aliya.htm

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The Torah describes the requirements of the Para Aduma as, NOT HAVING A BLEMISH and NEVER HAVING A YOKE UPON IT. The "Seer of Lublin" gave a Chasidic spin to those words. A person who thinks that he is without blemish, most definitely never placed upon himself the yoke of heaven. Chidushei HaRim pointed out that whereas two black hairs invalidate a Para Aduma, when it comes to the Torah's command to a Jew to be TAMIM, even a single "off color" hair invalidates the person.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/97566/jewish/Chukas-The-Value-of-Life.htm

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One of the strange things about the Parah Adumah is the following. From the time the Torah was given until today, there were only nine cows that were found to be totally red — that didn’t have more than two black hairs, which would disqualify them from being a Red Heifer. We are told that the tenth cow like this will be discovered when Mashiach comes. Another Parah Adumah will be prepared and all of us will be sprinkled with its ashes because all of us, whether we like it or not, have become impure due to contact with the dead. All of us. If you have ever been at a funeral, a hospital or a cemetery during the course of your life, you have contracted this type of impurity.
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2010, 01:22:41 PM »

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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2010, 01:28:06 PM »
Well  logic must conclude then that unfortunately it must be imperfect because that moron Pepe is still in power.

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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2010, 05:47:24 PM »
But there are a lot of Kohanim...How can one red cow be enough?


Quote from: muman613 on June 27, 2010, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: AsheDina on June 27, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
OK.. I am innocent. I dont know what the significance of a red heifer is. What is it

As I just posted above...

The Red Cow is needed for the purification ritual... We are all impure from contact with the Dead... The Torah proscribes the way to remove this impurity...

We must have a completely red cow, he will be slaughtered, he will be burned with certain other substances and the ashes mixed with water.. This mixture will be sprinkled by the Kohen on the impure individual... The impure person will become purified while the Kohen applying it will become impure...

This law is one of the laws called "Chukim" meaning that the way it works is not known to us.. It is considered a super-rational law...


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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2010, 07:13:31 PM »
Quote from: Dr. Dan on June 27, 2010, 05:47:24 PM
But there are a lot of Kohanim...How can one red cow be enough?


Quote from: muman613 on June 27, 2010, 10:50:04 AM
Quote from: AsheDina on June 27, 2010, 10:47:34 AM
OK.. I am innocent. I dont know what the significance of a red heifer is. What is it

As I just posted above...

The Red Cow is needed for the purification ritual... We are all impure from contact with the Dead... The Torah proscribes the way to remove this impurity...

We must have a completely red cow, he will be slaughtered, he will be burned with certain other substances and the ashes mixed with water.. This mixture will be sprinkled by the Kohen on the impure individual... The impure person will become purified while the Kohen applying it will become impure...

This law is one of the laws called "Chukim" meaning that the way it works is not known to us.. It is considered a super-rational law...


Well I don't know the ratio of cow to mixture... One cow is burnt and the ashes mixed with the water... Of course considering the # of people who would need to be purified it does seem like more than one cow would be needed...

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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2010, 07:48:18 PM »
Yeah, but is it some sign?
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Re: Kosher Red Heifer in Israel
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2010, 08:25:32 PM »
From what I've heard about this in the past, they don't use all the ashes at once and they don't need to use very many ashes, and they can actually make the ashes from one red heifer last a very long time.  I'm sorry I don't have a source for this.
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