Communists and Gays are Nazis

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Communism = Faggotism = Nazism

You're never short of stupid comments and formulae, are you ? Wasn't that enough that you claimed that all Germans must be exterminated and Germany must be destroyed ?
Do you ever think before you talk ? Doesn't it ever cross your mind that you might harm this movement by making this site look like trash ?
Grow up, get some education...

Yes typical Galut Jew

You have to be kidding...... The bulk of this forums membership is in the galut isn't your statement painting with a broad brush? What makes a Galut Jew untypical in your eyes? Please explain.

Embracing non-Jewish "morals" is one kind of Galut mentality. You don't need to live in the Galut in order to be a Galut Jew.

[Confederate Kahanist]

She looks like Doug Heffernan from King of Queens.

She also looks like a heifer

[Lisa]

What's with the title of this thread? 

Say what you want about communists.  But gays are not the same as Nazis.  Now granted quite a few Nazis were homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean every single gay person worships Hitler, and wants to commit genocide against Jews, Slavs, and non-whites.  I've known many gay men, and there was nothing Nazi about them. 

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

What's with the title of this thread? 

Say what you want about communists.  But gays are not the same as Nazis.  Now granted quite a few Nazis were homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean every single gay person worships Hitler, and wants to commit genocide against Jews, Slavs, and non-whites.  I've known many gay men, and there was nothing Nazi about them. 

By "gays" I mean Faggotists who promote Nazi Leftist anti-Torahnic ideology, not misguided Jews.

[The One and Only Mo]

What's with the title of this thread? 

Say what you want about communists.  But gays are not the same as Nazis.  Now granted quite a few Nazis were homosexuals.  But that doesn't mean every single gay person worships Hitler, and wants to commit genocide against Jews, Slavs, and non-whites.  I've known many gay men, and there was nothing Nazi about them. 

Homosexuals are bad m'kay.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

[The One and Only Mo]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

Sinas Chinam, Lashon Hora, and lack of bein adam l'chavero is the root of all the world's problems. Whether a Jew is gay or he insults people or doesn't daven 3 times a day  - - - it's all detrimental to the world. Kedoshim Teehyu. A self hating Jew is worse than a Nazi.

[Lisa]

Well I'm not just talking about misguided Jews.  I'm talking about your average young gay man, and I've met many of them.  It's one thing to disagree with their lifestyle.  But what I'm saying is that your average gay man, whether he's Christian or Jewish, for the most part, does not want to go around killing all "sub-humans" like the nazis did.  

Now if you're calling all leftists "faggotists" that's a different story.  Your argument will be much stronger if you just stick to the facts, of which there are many. 

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

Sinas Chinam, Lashon Hora, and lack of bein adam l'chavero is the root of all the world's problems. Whether a Jew is gay or he insults people or doesn't daven 3 times a day  - - - it's all detrimental to the world. Kedoshim Teehyu. A self hating Jew is worse than a Nazi.

Where did I commit any of these - be serious. I actually did the opposite than Sinat Chinam and Lashon Ha'Rah.

True, a self-hating Jew is worse than a Nazi and yet again u flame me with irrelavent names.

[The One and Only Mo]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

Sinas Chinam, Lashon Hora, and lack of bein adam l'chavero is the root of all the world's problems. Whether a Jew is gay or he insults people or doesn't daven 3 times a day  - - - it's all detrimental to the world. Kedoshim Teehyu. A self hating Jew is worse than a Nazi.

Where did I commit any of these - be serious. I actually did the opposite than Sinat Chinam and Lashon Ha'Rah.

True, a self-hating Jew is worse than a Nazi and yet again u flame me with irrelavent names.

WOW! That wasn't aimed AT you at all! I was supporting your point. Calm down.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Well I'm not just talking about misguided Jews.  I'm talking about your average young gay man, and I've met many of them.  It's one thing to disagree with their lifestyle.  But what I'm saying is that your average gay man, whether he's Christian or Jewish, for the most part, does not want to go around killing all "sub-humans" like the nazis did.  

They don't need to have the exact ideas of Nazi ideology in order to be a Nazi (just like Muslims). With their life-style, they're doing horrible genocidal sins.

Now if you're calling all leftists "faggotists" that's a different story.

I'm calling all Faggotists Leftists.

  Your argument will be much stronger if you just stick to the facts, of which there are many. 

Explain how my argument doesn't stick to the facts.

[Raulmarrio2000]

There is a strong relation between nazism and communism. In fact, nazism is nationalism+socialism.
Being gay can be either an orientation or a behavoiur, and certainly neither of them can be related to any ideology.
Those who support gender theory and gay marriage are closely related to communism, but a gay does not neccesarily supports their activism. Even though I know that many would disagree with me, I suspect that those por-gay's rights and gender theorists are likely to support homophobia in future once they have achieved their goals.

[Lisa]

Believe it or not, there are right-leaning gays.  Now they're not nearly as right wing as we are.  But there are a few of them who lean to the right.  Tammy Bruce is one.  http://www.tammybruce.com 

There's another blog called Gay Patriot -- http://www.gaypatriot.org

Also, there used to be a great, funny blog called Beautiful Atrocities, which was run by gay man who actually served in the USAF.  It's now defunct. 

[Christian Zionist]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

You are 100% correct.  In the Tanach we read incidents like this.  One person's sin (which liberals call as a private thing)  resulted in the deaths of other innocent Israelis.  In the Book of Joshua we read about Israel getting defeated in Ai because one guy called Achan had stolen materials from Jericho.  King David took census and thousand of Israelis perished.  In the Torah a Simeonite prince committed fornication with a Midianite woman and the rest of the Israel was punished until Pinhas killed both of them.

Muman613, I am sure you can provide more materials from the Talmud and the Midrashes.


Regarding gays-communism-nazism ....

I would prefer to use the word similarities instead of telling that they are equal.

Because there are disturbing parallels between these 3 evil movements.

* All these 3 are mental disorders and make their followers reprobates

* All these 3 evils carry their followers to hell in the coming word

* All these 3 are abominations in the sight of God

* All these 3 are anti-God, anti-Torah and anti-Israel

* All these 3 destroy societies and civilizations

* All these 3 don't believe in free speech and they try to suppress free speech using hate crime/some totalitarian laws

* All these 3 have killed millions of lives in the human history

* All these 3 make masses to think collectively by suppressing individual liberty

* All these 3 started as fringe movement, gradually invade the society and later became militant and seek total control.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

CZ, not all sins cause collective punishment but homosexual life-style that makes other Jews (Thererfore, collective sin) does. Some individual sins do cause collective punishment (in cases of Chillul Hashem for example).

[muman613]

Let me state that I don't believe all gays are nazis or communists but I will say that there is such a thing as Collective Responsibility of the Jewish nation.

I will bring some links as references:

As CZ stated, the story of Yehoshua contains a lesson of collective Jewish responsibility:

http://www.torah.org/learning/yehoshua-reflections/ch7no15.html?print=1
(Joshua 7:23)

"And they retrieved the items from the tent and brought them to Yehoshua and the entire Jewish nation and spilled them before Hashem."

The messengers presented the stolen items to Yehoshua in the presence of the entire nation. This completed the nation's legal repentance process. They were collectively responsible for the theft and they now collectively returned the stolen items to their owner. They sincerely contemplated their association to this crime and resolved to heighten their sensitivity towards shameful acts such as this. They gazed at the stolen items with serious regret for their social climate which gave rise to Achan's atrocity.

Our Sages teach us that this was their first exposure to collective responsibility and its consequences. Hashem established this responsibility during Moshe's parting days subject to their entry to Eretz Yisroel. Now that they entered they were held severely at fault for Achan's act. Their first fateful experience sent them a clear message which they absorbed very quickly. They resolved from that point that no one would ever feel comfortable and secure to commit such crimes in the privacy of his home. The Jewish people's future environment would include a powerful surveillance system which would focus on this dimension. No crime would ever be buried so deeply amongst the people to require drawing of lots to expose it. The Jewish nation's ethical fiber would include tremendous sensitivity towards the possessions of others and certainly Hashem's treasury.

Rashi quotes our Sages who offer an intriguing interpretation to this passage. They explain that Yehoshua spilled the items before Hashem and exclaimed, "Should the majority of the Jewish supreme court perish because of these?!" These words are difficult to digest because they suggest that Yehoshua challenged Hashem's judgment. The issue at hand was obviously not the sacred treasury's loss of possessions. The Jewish people were faulted for a sinful act which showed tremendous disrespect for Hashem. What then was Yehoshua's objective when making this display?

We can offer the following interpretation to Yehoshua's plea. Hashem judged His entire nation by the highest standard of justice. He took away one of their greatest leaders because of one person's shameful actions. Yehoshua understood that this standard was necessary to establish the severity of collective responsibility. However, Yehoshua pleaded with Hashem to relax His extreme standard of judgment. Yehoshua presented that the Jewish people properly learned their lesson and that their first experience would suffice. After this catastrophe, there would be no tolerance for private crime and any sinner should be held mainly responsible for his own actions. The people were prepared to do their utmost to prevent all atrocious behavior and whatever slipped through their hands should not be judged so severely. In essence, Yehoshua's display was a plea for the future. Now that the people cleaned up their act please do not fault them so severely for any individual's actions. Hashem, please relax your standards and accept their serious attempt to perfect the system. Please do not bring the entire nation major calamity for the relatively small wrongs of an individual.

http://www.torah.org/learning/Parasha-insights/5757/netzavim.html?print=1
This week we read the double Parasha of Nitzavim/Vayelech. "A'tem nitzavim ha'yom kulchem lifnei Hashem - You are all standing today before Hashem... L'avr'cha bivris - For you to enter the covenant... Asher Hashem koreis imcha ha'yom - that Hashem is making with you today. (29:9-11)"

What was unique about this covenant? Why did the pasuk change from the plural ( a'tem -you are all) to the singular (l'avr'cha, imcha - you)? The Kli Yakar writes that the original covenant had been broken by the sin of the golden calf. We had not been bound to one another and therefore didn't feel the responsibility to stop others from erring. As long as I'm okay I needn't worry. In order to remedy that, a new covenant needed to be made. A covenant of 'arvus' - of collective responsibility - of being guarantors for one another. A covenant of the plural being transformed into the singular. "Kol Yisroel areivim zeh l'zeh" - the destiny of every member of Klal Yisroel is inextricably connected to the destiny of each and every one of us.

We are able to watch someone else make a poor investment. It's his money - it's his decision. When we know it is borrowed money, we might find it a little harder to watch, but we'd manage to stay silent. He's a big boy - it's not for me to interfere. If, however, we were the personal guarantors on the loan... FORGET IT!!! There's NO WAY I'm going to let you throw your money into that sinkhole! Once we stand to lose from the venture, we'll do everything in our power to stop him. "Kol Yisroel areivim zeh l'zeh!"

The Tanna Rabi Shimon Bar Yochai depicts it even more graphically. It can be compared to people travelling together on a boat. One passenger takes out a drill and begins to pierce the wood beneath his seat. "What do you care?", he asks his incredulous co-travelers, "I'm only drilling under my seat!".

http://www.neveh.org/winston/parsha57/nitzvylc.html

SHABBOS DAY:

Toward the middle of the Parasha, the Torah states:

   The secret things belong to G-d, Our G-d, but the revealed things belong to us, and to our children forever, that we may do the words of this Torah. (Devarim 29:28)

Rashi explains the intent of the possuk:

   ... I will not punish you for that which is hidden from you, for that belongs to G-d, and for that He will exact punishment from the individual ... but for those things which are revealed and belong to us and to our children in order that we will do away with evil from our midst. If we do not execute judgment upon people who publicly transgress, then the whole community will be punished. There are dots above the letters (in the Sefer Torah) of the words "lunnu ulvaneinu" ("us, and to our children") to hint that even for revealed sins He did not punish the community until they had crossed the Jordan River (into Eretz Yisroel), from the moment they took upon themselves the oath on Har G'rizim and Har Eival and had become responsible for one another.

This possuk emphasizes the extent of Jewish social responsibility; there is no such thing as "looking the other direction" when it comes to a transgression by one's fellow Jew. And this is not necessarily because you want to save him from erring again (which is the ideal intention one should have when criticizing another), but because, in the end, his punishment is your punishment. The Talmud presents an awesomely frightening example of just how far this collective responsibility goes. After stating that we are held responsible for the mistakes of others that we do not correct, the Talmud gives over the following dialogue in reference to the destruction of the Temple and the exile of the Jewish nation into Babylonia:

   The Holy One, Blessed is He, told Gavriel, "Go and make a mark of ink upon the foreheads of the righteous so that the Damaging Angel cannot have an effect on them, and a mark of blood on the foreheads of the evil so that the Damaging Angel can affect them."
    The Trait of Judgment said before The Holy One, Blessed is He, "Master of the Universe, What difference is there between the two?"
    He told her, "These were completely righteous, and these were completely evil." She said before Him, "Master of the Universe, They (the righteous) could have protested, and yet didn't?"
    He answered her, "It is revealed and known before Me that had they protested, they would not have been listened to!"
    So she answered Him, "To you it was revealed ... but who revealed it to them?!" (Shabbos 55a)

At which point, says the Talmud, G-d concurred with the Trait of Judgment and destroyed the righteous and non-righteous alike.

One might have thought that self-righteousness is enough of a merit to survive the sword of the Angel of Destruction. This week's Parasha and the Talmud say, "Wrong, tragically wrong." For, it seems, as much as the Torah wishes for us to take responsibility for ourselves, it also, if not more so, wishes that we take responsibility for others.

This helps to explain why a day that everyone associates with fighting for their own neck makes no reference to personal tshuva. We are told that on Rosh Hashanah we are begging for survival, to prove to G-d that He ought to give us a new lease on life, at least for the next year. Yet, all of the prayer service is devoted to acknowledging G-d's supremacy as King over everything, and all the prayers are worded in the plural!

Regarding the story of Pinchas, the relation of Zimri and Cozbi... Pinchas killed these two fornicators and idolators before all of Israel... But there were other Jews, from the tribe of Simeon, who also engaged in illicit relations... 24,000 died in the plague and all those involved in the idolatry were stoned and hung...

NOTE: The forum filter has an annoying tendency to mangle any URL which contains the word p*a*r*s*h*a and makes it P*a*r*a*s*h*a... To make the links work change from Parasha to p*a*r*s*h*a...

[Raulmarrio2000]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

You are 100% correct.  In the Tanach we read incidents like this.  One person's sin (which liberals call as a private thing)  resulted in the deaths of other innocent Israelis.  In the Book of Joshua we read about Israel getting defeated in Ai because one guy called Achan had stolen materials from Jericho.  King David took census and thousand of Israelis perished.  In the Torah a Simeonite prince committed fornication with a Midianite woman and the rest of the Israel was punished until Pinhas killed both of them.

Muman613, I am sure you can provide more materials from the Talmud and the Midrashes.


Regarding gays-communism-nazism ....

I would prefer to use the word similarities instead of telling that they are equal.

Because there are disturbing parallels between these 3 evil movements.

* All these 3 are mental disorders and make their followers reprobates

* All these 3 evils carry their followers to hell in the coming word

* All these 3 are abominations in the sight of G-d

* All these 3 are anti-G-d, anti-Torah and anti-Israel

* All these 3 destroy societies and civilizations

* All these 3 don't believe in free speech and they try to suppress free speech using hate crime/some totalitarian laws

* All these 3 have killed millions of lives in the human history

* All these 3 make masses to think collectively by suppressing individual liberty

* All these 3 started as fringe movement, gradually invade the society and later became militant and seek total control.

Wrong, wrong. Nazism is not a mental disease, it's a crime.
That's an uncalled insult to people who really suffer from mental diesases and were killed by nazis.

Hell in the World to Come? Not good to speak about Hell in a forum of plural religions, because many Christians also believe that non-baptized go to go Hell. If you are a Christian (it depends on your denomination) perhaps your church says the same about Jews and Noahides.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Btw, what homosexuals are doing, is NOT a private thing. In Judaism, every Jew's sins effects the rest of the nation. By commiting atrocious gay style, they're destroying not only Israel but the whole world. Those who have gay life-style and do not (the reason is irrelavent) fight Yetzer Ha'Rah, are doing Nazi things, whether like it or not.

Because there are disturbing parallels between these 3 evil movements.

* All these 3 are mental disorders and make their followers reprobates

Gays are mental cases sometimes (most today are just part of the "anti" trends, not real gays, therefore evil or misguided, but not always mental cases), but Nazis and Communists are CRIMINALS, not mental cases. Sometimes they're even saner than Jews are.

[Christian Zionist]

Wrong, wrong. Nazism is not a mental disease, it's a crime.
That's an uncalled insult to people who really suffer from mental diesases and were killed by nazis.

Hell in the World to Come? Not good to speak about Hell in a forum of plural religions, because many Christians also believe that non-baptized go to go Hell. If you are a Christian (it depends on your denomination) perhaps your church says the same about Jews and Noahides.

Have you ever heard of "liberalism is a mental disorder".  It all starts with the mind.  The Nazi's became reprobates and committed heinous crimes.  Even Rabbi Meir Kahane said "ignorance and arrogance are the poisons  of the liberal mind."   It first begins with the mind.  Their beliefs pervert them to become criminals.

People who suffer from mental diseases are medically certified but Nazis were not medically certified. When I talked about mental disorder I was referring to ideologies that pervert the human mind and not about medically certified mental diseases.

I don't believe unbaptized people would go to hell.  In this thread we are only talking about gays, nazis and communists.  Other groups, faiths, denominations are beyond the scope of the subject of this thread.  Also remember, similar things can be said about muslims and islam too but it is beyond the scope of this thread.

[Raulmarrio2000]

Have you ever heard of "liberalism is a mental disorder".  It all start with the mind.  The Nazi's became reprobates and committed heinous crimes.  Even Rabbi Meir Kahane said Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons  of the liberal mind."   It first begins with the mind.  Their beliefs pervert them to become criminals.

People who suffer from mental diseases are medically certified but Nazis were not. When I talked about mental disorder I was referring to ideologies that pervert the human mind and not about medically certified mental diseases.

I don't believe unbaptized people would go to hell.  In this thread we are only talking about gays, nazis and communists.  Other groups, faiths, denominations are beyond the scope of the subject of this thread.

I find it strongly offensive to compare mental disorders (whether medically certified or not) with the heinous nazi criminals. It's an offense to those who suffer such disorders and also an insult to Jews and other victims of nazism. Saying that nazis were sick, instead of crimnals, is a way of exonerating them from some guilt.

And no matter if the topic of THIS thread. I had to ask about your opinion about people who are not-Christians because it would be a problem if you say that gays will go to Hell and think also Jews and Noahides will be condemned. I don't know the opinion of Christian Churches in your country. But there are several denominations who condemn all non-Christians.

Also I found it strange that you asked Muman to provide quotes of the Midrash and Talmud about Sdom. Do you believe in the Talmud or not? No offense, but if you want Talmudic support to rebbute liberal pro-sodomy laws in the gentile world and then reject it as a wholy book, I find it to be an opportunistic misuse of Jewish sources. Jews never use the NT to prove their views because it's not part of their canon. Why would you want to use the Talmud?

[muman613]

Have you ever heard of "liberalism is a mental disorder".  It all start with the mind.  The Nazi's became reprobates and committed heinous crimes.  Even Rabbi Meir Kahane said Ignorance and arrogance are the poisons  of the liberal mind."   It first begins with the mind.  Their beliefs pervert them to become criminals.

People who suffer from mental diseases are medically certified but Nazis were not. When I talked about mental disorder I was referring to ideologies that pervert the human mind and not about medically certified mental diseases.

I don't believe unbaptized people would go to hell.  In this thread we are only talking about gays, nazis and communists.  Other groups, faiths, denominations are beyond the scope of the subject of this thread.

I find it strongly offensive to compare mental disorders (whether medically certified or not) with the heinous nazi criminals. It's an offense to those who suffer such disorders and also an insult to Jews and other victims of nazism. Saying that nazis were sick, instead of crimnals, is a way of exonerating them from some guilt.

And no matter if the topic of THIS thread. I had to ask about your opinion about people who are not-Christians because it would be a problem if you say that gays will go to Hell and think also Jews and Noahides will be condemned. I don't know the opinion of Christian Churches in your country. But there are several denominations who condemn all non-Christians.

Also I found it strange that you asked Muman to provide quotes of the Midrash and Talmud about Sdom. Do you believe in the Talmud or not? No offense, but if you want Talmudic support to rebbute liberal pro-sodomy laws in the gentile world and then reject it as a wholy book, I find it to be an opportunistic misuse of Jewish sources. Jews never use the NT to prove their views because it's not part of their canon. Why would you want to use the Talmud?

Yes, the Church denies the Oral law... But I have heard some missionaries try to use it when missionizing Jews... not that cz is trying to do that... Rabbi Tovia singer has pointed out this in some of his anti-missionary talks...

[Raulmarrio2000]

I have no problem with people who deny the Oral Law, whether they are Karaites, Samaritans or Gentiles. But I don't like it when people deny it and then want to quote it partially. If soemeone denies the Talmud, he must be honest and use his own sources only.

[muman613]

I have no problem with people who deny the Oral Law, whether they are Karaites, Samaritans or Gentiles. But I don't like it when people deny it and then want to quote it partially. If soemeone denies the Talmud, he must be honest and use his own sources only.

Well I have heard that the NT contains much more anti-gay stuff...  Personally I dont want to know about it...



PS: A Jew who denies the oral law is considered a Kofrim, a kind of Apikorsis, according to the Talmud.

http://www.dailyhalacha.com/Display.asp?ClipDate=9/16/2007

The "Apikorsim," "Kofrim" and "Minim" Who Have no Share in the Next World

In the third chapter of Hilchot Teshuva, the Rambam (Rabbi Moshe Maimonides, Spain-Egypt, 1135-1204) delineates the groups of sinners who forfeit their share in the World to Come. In Halacha 8 (listen to audio for precise citation), he defines the group known as "Apikorsim" ("heretics"), explaining that this category includes three types of people:

1) Those who deny the concept of prophecy, that G-d delivers instruction to human beings.

2) Those who deny the prophecy of Moshe Rabbenu. Even if one accepts the notion of prophecy generally, he has no share in the next world if he denies the prophetic stature of Moshe.

3) Those who deny G-d's knowledge of human events and experiences.

All these people fall under the category of "Apikorsim" and have no share in the World to Come.


The next category discussed by the Rambam is that of "Kofrim" ("rejecters"), and consists of people who maintain one of the following three beliefs:

1) That the Torah was not transmitted in its entirety from G-d. Even if one denies the divine origin of a single verse or a single word of the Torah, and claims that Moshe wrote it independently, without it being dictated by the Almighty, he loses his share in the World to Come.

2) That the Rabbinic tradition of Torah She'be'al Peh (oral tradition) does not originate from G-d. Even if a person accepts the divine origin of the written Law, he is deemed a "Kofer" if he rejects the traditions of the Sages in explaining and applying the written Torah.

3) That the Torah or any part thereof is no longer applicable, or has been supplanted by a different law or system of laws. Christians, for example, believe in the divine origin of the Torah but claim that it has since been replaced by a new law. Anybody who maintains such a belief, or says about even a single Misva that it has been repealed or substituted with another law, has no share in the next world.

In Halacha 9 (listen to audio for precise citation), the Rambam proceeds to define the next category of sinners, the "Meshumadim" ("defectors"). He writes that this term refers to one of the following types of sinners:

1) A person who intentionally, habitually and publicly rejects one of the 613 commandments. Even if a person faithfully observes the other 612 Misvot, if he makes a point of publicly transgressing one Misva on a regular basis, such as if he intentionally wears Shaatnez (a garment woven with wool and linen) or cuts his sideburns, he is deemed a "Meshumad."

2) A person who chooses to abandon Judaism and embrace the religion of an enemy people that enjoys the upper hand. If a person defects from Judaism in order to spare himself the humiliation and persecution traditionally suffered by Jews, and to enjoy the benefits of belonging to the ruling people, he is deemed a "Meshumad" and has no share in the World to Come.

[Raulmarrio2000]

I have no problem with people who deny the Oral Law, whether they are Karaites, Samaritans or Gentiles. But I don't like it when people deny it and then want to quote it partially. If soemeone denies the Talmud, he must be honest and use his own sources only.

Well I have heard that the NT contains much more anti-gay stuff...  Personally I dont want to know about it...

Yes, the NT forbids homosexual behaviour. Some pasages seem to say that also effeminate looking men, even if not gay, are accursed. However it might be a mistransaltion and no big Church now condemns people for their appearance, only for their acts. But my point is that it's incorect to use the Talmud as an argument in times of need when pro-gay activists are strong, and then reject the Talmud as words of men.

[Christian Zionist]

I have no problem with people who deny the Oral Law, whether they are Karaites, Samaritans or Gentiles. But I don't like it when people deny it and then want to quote it partially. If soemeone denies the Talmud, he must be honest and use his own sources only.

I don't agree with all the teachings of the Talmud but it is related to Tanach.  I also use Talmud (even Zohar) for research purposes (eg. the topic of tithing).   Christians don't agree with all writings of historians Flavius Josephus but we use the statements of Josephus extensively in our circles. Why do we need to use our own sources only?  For research purposes we can use anything.  Christians apologists use Talmud (even Koran) to justify that Adam, Eve, Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus were indeed historical figures. It depends on the context and the subject of the discussion.  Even Tovia Singer in his lecture about the oral law tries to use the Christian New Testament to prove the existence of oral law (audio 11:40).  Muslims, Christians and Jews when argue with each other quote "favorable" verses even from their opponents' scriptures.  I have heard Chaim quoting the saying of Jesus in John 4:22 (Salvation comes from Jews).  For research purposes we can use any material.