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non-Muslims have been far more genocidal than Muslims
« on: July 18, 2010, 08:15:20 PM »
You all say that Muslims want to exterminate all Jews so that you can have an excuse to commit a genocide against them. I found this study that you should read. I have highlighted the interesting parts. I dare you to find a study that shows that most Muslims sanction violence:


Major survey challenges Western perceptions of Islam


WASHINGTON (AFP) — A huge survey of the world's Muslims released Tuesday challenges Western notions that equate Islam with radicalism and violence.

The survey, conducted by the Gallup polling agency over six years and three continents, seeks to dispel the belief held by some in the West that Islam itself is the driving force of radicalism.

It shows that the overwhelming majority of Muslims condemned the attacks against the United States on September 11, 2001 and other subsequent terrorist attacks, the authors of the study said in Washington.

"Samuel Harris said in the Washington Times (in 2004): 'It is time we admitted that we are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam'," Dalia Mogahed, co-author of the book "Who Speaks for Islam" which grew out of the study, told a news conference here.

"The argument Mr Harris makes is that religion in the primary driver" of radicalism and violence, she said.

"Religion is an important part of life for the overwhelming majority of Muslims, and if it were indeed the driver for radicalisation, this would be a serious issue."

But the study, which Gallup says surveyed a sample equivalent to 90 percent of the world's Muslims, showed that widespread religiosity "does not translate into widespread support for terrorism," said Mogahed, director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies.

About 93 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.

In majority Muslim countries, overwhelming majorities said religion was a very important part of their lives -- 99 percent in Indonesia, 98 percent in Egypt, 95 percent in Pakistan.

But only seven percent of the billion Muslims surveyed -- the radicals -- condoned the attacks on the United States in 2001, the poll showed.

Moderate Muslims interviewed for the poll condemned the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington because innocent lives were lost and civilians killed.

"Some actually cited religious justifications for why they were against 9/11, going as far as to quote from the Koran -- for example, the verse that says taking one innocent life is like killing all humanity," she said.


Meanwhile, radical Muslims gave political, not religious, reasons for condoning the attacks, the poll showed.

The survey shows radicals to be neither more religious than their moderate counterparts, nor products of abject poverty or refugee camps.

"The radicals are better educated, have better jobs, and are more hopeful with regard to the future than mainstream Muslims," John Esposito, who co-authored "Who Speaks for Islam", said.

"Ironically, they believe in democracy even more than many of the mainstream moderates do, but they're more cynical about whether they'll ever get it," said Esposito, a professor of Islamic studies at Georgetown University in Washington.

Gallup launched the study following 9/11, after which US President George W. Bush asked in a speech, which is quoted in the book: "Why do they hate us?"

"They hate... a democratically elected government," Bush offered as a reason.

"They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other."

But the poll, which gives ordinary Muslims a voice in the global debate that they have been drawn into by 9/11, showed that most Muslims -- including radicals -- admire the West for its democracy, freedoms and technological prowess.

What they do not want is to have Western ways forced on them, it said.

"Muslims want self-determination, but not an American-imposed and -defined democracy. They don't want secularism or theocracy. What the majority wants is democracy with religious values," said Esposito.

The poll has given voice to Islam's silent majority, said Mogahed.

"A billion Muslims should be the ones that we look to, to understand what they believe, rather than a vocal minority," she told AFP.

Muslims in 40 countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Middle East were interviewed for the survey, which is part of Gallup's World Poll that aims to interview 95 percent of the world's population.

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2010, 08:17:11 PM »
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2010, 08:19:59 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2010, 08:20:33 PM »
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2010, 08:20:57 PM »
I don't know where anyone ever got the idea that Muslims were NOT peaceful   :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2010, 08:21:33 PM »
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.




I see that you're avoiding my question

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2010, 08:22:07 PM »
GayGay!

Have you read the Koran itself?

Here are some quotes from the Koran itself.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2010, 08:22:10 PM »
Islam is not a peaceful religion. The fact that many call themselves muslims doesnt change the fact that their 'holy' book is a recipe for death and destruction against all who don't believe in the false prophet mohamud. Judaism does not try to seek to convert the world, all we want is to live in peace in our own land.

Even surveys which say a majority of them don't sanction terrorism are avoiding the truth, the 'muslims' only considers something terrorism if it kills muslims, not Jews or other 'infidels'... When you look at the question under a muslim lens you discover that they are all for killing infidels, so long as muslims are not hurt.

Islam is a peaceful religion... HAHAHAHA You are such a joker...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2010, 08:26:27 PM »
Those poor, peaceful, innocent Arabs .................

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2010, 08:28:37 PM »
Hey Ralph, why not tell me what taqqiyah is?

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2010, 08:33:19 PM »
Islam is not a peaceful religion. The fact that many call themselves muslims doesnt change the fact that their 'holy' book is a recipe for death and destruction against all who don't believe in the false prophet mohamud. Judaism does not try to seek to convert the world, all we want is to live in peace in our own land.

Even surveys which say a majority of them don't sanction terrorism are avoiding the truth, the 'muslims' only considers something terrorism if it kills muslims, not Jews or other 'infidels'... When you look at the question under a muslim lens you discover that they are all for killing infidels, so long as muslims are not hurt.

Islam is a peaceful religion... HAHAHAHA You are such a joker...



Islam is probably not a peaceful religion but 93% of Muslims are. 7% of Muslims are evil. That amounts to 91 million bad Muslims. All of the terrorism you see in the world today come from these Muslims.

Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet almost no Jew condones this today.

A Muslim who rejects violence is no less of a Muslim than a Jew who rejects stoning women to death and slavery is a Jew.


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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 08:35:36 PM »
Islam is not a peaceful religion. The fact that many call themselves muslims doesnt change the fact that their 'holy' book is a recipe for death and destruction against all who don't believe in the false prophet mohamud. Judaism does not try to seek to convert the world, all we want is to live in peace in our own land.

Even surveys which say a majority of them don't sanction terrorism are avoiding the truth, the 'muslims' only considers something terrorism if it kills muslims, not Jews or other 'infidels'... When you look at the question under a muslim lens you discover that they are all for killing infidels, so long as muslims are not hurt.

Islam is a peaceful religion... HAHAHAHA You are such a joker...



Islam is probably not a peaceful religion but 93% of Muslims are. 7% of Muslims are evil. That amounts to 91 million bad Muslims. All of the terrorism you see in the world today come from these Muslims.

Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet almost no Jew condones this today.

A Muslim who rejects violence is no less of a Muslim than a Jew who rejects stoning women to death and slavery is a Jew.



Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???
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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2010, 08:36:07 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2010, 08:38:39 PM »
Hey Ralph, why not tell me what taqqiyah is?

Taqqiyah was first practiced by Shiites when Sunnis were "oppressing" them. They did it to protect themselves and their religion. Scumbags like Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists will not lie to you if you ask them about killing Jews. They'll openly admit it. Fanatical Muslims are honest about killing infidels.

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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2010, 08:39:02 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You know nothing about Torah, Judaism, Muslims, or Islam. Stop while you're behind.

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2010, 08:39:46 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

Look here, Judaism does not condone slavery or stoning women but on the other hand, Islam does.
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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2010, 08:40:45 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You know nothing about Torah, Judaism, Muslims, or Islam. Stop while you're behind.

Yes, that is because he is an ignorant schmuk. Without the Oral law someone might come to say those things. But Judaism does not stone anyone today, and even when it was the law there was only 1 capital execution every 70 years.

And regarding Jews not observing the Torah, we have understanding for them. We do not kill them. But all Jews should observe the Sabbath and keep Kosher, and they will... Without being forced to...
No arguing with the ignorant...
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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2010, 08:40:58 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2010, 08:43:31 PM »
Don't you understand,  Mohammad himself used to kill people  and  take women as his SLAVES. He said "take not a Jew or Christian as your friend".....Jesus never said things like this.  Abraham and Moses never said things like this. Neither did Buddah.

How can you follow a nut like this?  What prophet took the daughters of slaughtered fathers as slaves?

There's a difference between Muslims and Islam. Judaism condones slavery and stoning women to death yet no Jew would practice this today and yet they're still Jews.  

If you're going to say that these peaceful Muslims aren't real Muslims then I can say that Jews who don't observe the sabbath or eat non-kosher food are not real Jews.

You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

GayGay, just answer ItalianZionist's question. How can you follow someone like Mohammad who was a pedophile and a liar and a thief?
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Re: Muslims are peaceful
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2010, 08:43:48 PM »
Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???

Read the article I posted. There was a huge survey done by gallup all over the Muslim world and only 7% of Muslims condoned 9/11 and all of them did it on political grounds and not religious grounds.

If Muslims want to kill all infidels then why were the Jews allowed to flourish before Khomeini came? Even after the ayatollahs came the Jews were given the status of a protected minority and they are not persecuted today. Historically, Iranian Muslims mistreated the Jews far less than the Europeans did.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2010, 08:46:24 PM »
Even if your poll is true...Do you really think that muslims won't lie??  There is something in the Quaran called  Techia...(it's  ok to lie to the infidel)

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2010, 08:48:22 PM »
Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???

Read the article I posted. There was a huge survey done by gallup all over the Muslim world and only 7% of Muslims condoned 9/11 and all of them did it on political grounds and not religious grounds.

If Muslims want to kill all infidels then why were the Jews allowed to flourish before Khomeini came? Even after the ayatollahs came the Jews were given the status of a protected minority and they are not persecuted today. Historically, Iranian Muslims mistreated the Jews far less than the Europeans did.


That's just a bs article made by the media. Muslims will lie to you all the time.

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2010, 08:50:47 PM »
You still didn't answer my question:  How can you follow a nut like Mohammad?

I'm not a Muslims and Muhammad was evil.

You still don't understand. Judaism condones slavery and stoning immoral women to death yet Jews reject this today and they're still Jews. Likewise, Muslims can reject violence and still be Muslims.

The poll has proven that Muslims are peaceful. Every poll about Muslims that I've seen has confirmed this.

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2010, 08:53:40 PM »
Where do you get these facts??? 93% of Muslims are peaceful???

Even if that percentage were true, which it is not, it would be irrelevant anyway because the 7% who are fundamentalists are approximately 109 million people. That's enough religious zealots to pose a clear and present danger to us "infidels".

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2010, 08:53:50 PM »
I am so sicked of your non-sense of Muslims being "peaceful." Just at this website and hopefully it'll change your mind about this "peaceful" religion of yours.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2010.htm

93% of Muslims condemned 9/11. Among the 7% that condoned it none of them condoned it on religious ground but on political grounds. This was the perfect survey to refute your lies that 100% of all Muslims want to kill infidels because Islam commands it.




I see that you're avoiding my question

The problem is that even if 93% really oppose violence the people running Islamic nations are not listening to them.  Do 93% of so called Palestinians oppose murder of Jews?  I doubt it.
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