Fury as Israel president claims English are 'anti-semitic'

[Maimonides]

Perhaps in old age Shimon Peres is finally is able to speak a few words of truth

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7920330/Fury-as-Israel-president-claims-English-are-anti-semitic.html

Shimon Peres said England was "deeply pro-Arab ... and anti-Israeli", adding: "They always worked against us."

He added: "There is in England a saying that an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary." His remarks, made in an interview on a Jewish website, provoked anger from senior MPs and Jewish leaders who said the 87-year-old president had "got it wrong".

But other groups backed the former Israeli prime minister and said the number of anti-semitic incidents had risen dramatically in the UK in recent years.

The controversy follows the furore last week over David Cameron's remark that Gaza was a "prison camp", as he urged Israel to allow aid and people to move freely in and out of the Palestinian territory.

Mr Peres, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who is three years into his seven-year term as president and was awarded an honorary knighthood by the Queen in 2008, said that England's attitude towards Jews was Israel's "next big problem".

"There are several million Muslim voters, and for many members of parliament, that's the difference between getting elected and not getting elected," he said.

"And in England there has always been something deeply pro-Arab, of course, not among all Englishmen, and anti-Israeli, in the establishment.

"They abstained in the [pro-Zionist] 1947 UN partition resolution ... They maintained an arms embargo against us in the 1950s ... They always worked against us. They think the Arabs are the underdogs."

By contrast, relations with Germany, France and Italy were "pretty good", he added.

He made the comments in an interview with the historian Professor Benny Morris of Ben-Gurion University of the Negev published last week in Tablet, a Jewish news website.

The wide-ranging interview covered Mr Peres' role as one of Israel's longest-serving political leaders – an MP for 48 years, twice prime minister, and holder of other ministerial posts over the decades. He is firmly on the Israeli Left.

He was awarded Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 jointly with Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat for his part as foreign minister in the peace talks which produced the landmark Oslo Accords.

But following his comments, James Clappison, the Conservative MP for Hertsmere and vice-chairman of Conservative Friends of Israel, said: "Mr Peres has got this wrong.

"There are pro- and anti-Israel views in all European countries. Things are certainly no worse, as far as Israel is concerned, in this country than other European countries."

The MP added that he could "understand the frustration" that people in Israel felt with "certain elements of the British broadcast media" which present an unbalanced view of Israel.

He said: "I can understand Mr Peres' concerns, but I don't recognise what he is saying about England."

Yet in Israel, Mr Peres is far from alone in holding such views, which have gained a wider following, particularly on the Right, since the expulsion of an Israeli diplomat over accusations that Mossad sent agents using British passports to assassinate a Hamas commander in Dubai.

Aryeh Eldad, a right-wing member of the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, accused Britain of working against Israeli interests for decades – ever since it "betrayed" its promises to build a Jewish homeland when it governed Palestine under a League of Nations mandate.

"Both governments from the right and the left prefer Arab interests over Israeli interests," said Mr Eldad, whose father Israel was a leading figure in the Stern Gang, the most radical of the Jewish terror groups that fought British mandatory rule.

"The other layer is an ongoing, subtle form of anti-semitism. It is not as overt as it was in Germany, it is a quiet, polite form."

Some leading Jewish commentators in Britain disagreed. Rabbi Dr Jonathan Romain, minister of Maidenhead synagogue and a writer and broadcaster, said: "I am surprised at Peres. It is a sweeping statement that is far too one-sided.

"Britain has supported both Israel and Arab causes at different periods over the last 50 years. There are elements of anti-semitism but it is not endemic to British society.

"The tolerance and pluralism here make Britain one of the best countries in the world in which to live."

Mr Peres found support, however, from other pro-Israeli groups. Jacob Vince, the director of Christian Friends of Israel, said there was anti-semitism in the UK although many people had a positive view of Israel but were unwilling to express it publicly.

Mr Vince said it was "difficult to see how many MPs would not be influenced by the number of Muslim voters in their constituencies".

The Government was not treating Arabs as the underdogs but rather was trying to appease them, he said. "The question is how well they understand those with whom they are seeking conciliation."

Mr Peres is "measured and moderate," he added.

He said: "His comments have serious connotations and I am sure would not be said lightly."

One Israeli politician expressed disbelief that the doveish Mr Peres had launched such a broadside against the British.

Benny Begin, a cabinet minister whose father Menachem was prime minister and before that leader of Irgun, the group that killed 91 people in an attack on Jerusalem's King David Hotel in 1946, said: "Peres? I simply can't believe he said that."

The latest figures show that the number of anti-semitic incidents in Britain is rising, according to the Community Security Trust (CST), a charity set up in 1984 to monitor such incidents.

The situation in Britain had worsened "significantly" in the past decade, a spokesman said.

In 2009 there were 924 anti-semitic incidents, the highest figure since CST began keeping records in 1984, and 55 per cent higher than the previous record in 2006.

The figures include reports, accepted only when backed by evidence, of physical assaults, verbal abuse and racist graffiti.

The monthly figure has soared from 10-20 incidents in the 1990s to 40-50 now.

Last year nearly half of the 924 anti-semitic race attacks recorded by the CST showed a political motivation, with 66 per cent of those including some reference to Israel and the Middle East.

A 2009 report by the US-based Anti-Defamation League found one in five Britons admitted Israel influences their opinion of British Jews, and the majority of those said that they felt "worse" about Jews than they used to. It found, however, that Britain was less anti-semitic than other European countries.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Before Peres dies will this criminal finally wake up to the millions of Muslim voters in his own country who are growing in numbers every day and will also come to control the Israeli Knesset (God forbid) just like they have come to exert their influence on the British parliament?    Maybe he'll put two and two together some day... I'm not counting on it.

[White Israelite]

The British have always been ruthless, heck look at what they did to all the nations they conquered while they were under the empire where the sun never sets. I still get along with very few of them today.

[Ulli]

Before a few weeks I would be opposed to Peres views. But after what Cameron did in AKP controlled Ankara ...

[david1967]

Even the Rabbi in Britain admitted Peres was right.  Peres is probably trying to "rock the boat" to upset British Muslims, who will respond with violent Anti-Semitism.  Peres is hoping this will result in increased aliyah from the UK. 

[muman613]

The history of British antisemitism goes back 100s of years, from the expulsions of all Jews from Brittan in 1290 to the antisemitism during Shakespeares time. Today british antisemitism rears its ugly head in the form of virulent anti-Zionism. We all know this form of anti-zionism is a disguised form of Jew hatred. During WWII the British did not allow Jews to flee from Germany into Brittan, except for some small cases...

I think Peres said nothing wrong in pointing out the dark history of the British antisemitism.

http://www.jewishmag.com/129mag/england_expulsion/england_expulsion.htm

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Even the Rabbi in Britain admitted Peres was right.  Peres is probably trying to "rock the boat" to upset British Muslims, who will respond with violent Anti-Semitism.  Peres is hoping this will result in increased aliyah from the UK. 

Why would Peres want aliyah when he is trying to give away the Jewish country to Arab muslims?

If anything Peres wants less aliyah because it makes his own goals much more difficult.

[david1967]

Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s?  He really is an old-school Zionist.

[Secularbeliever]

Peres should not complain about the Brits siding with Arabs against Jews.  Peres does himself.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Re:  "Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s? "

Very possible.

It is also very possible that the only reason he made that statement was because the British Globalists told him they were no longer going to give him the usual cash payment under the table in exchange for selling out his own country.

[muman613]

Re:  "Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s? "

Very possible.

It is also very possible that the only reason he made that statement was because the British Globalists told him they were no longer going to give him the usual cash payment under the table in exchange for selling out his own country.

Yeah, the Jewish greedy banker Kabal is behind it Massuh, right...

Sometimes I really wonder about you...

[cjd]

Re:  "Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s? "

Very possible.

It is also very possible that the only reason he made that statement was because the British Globalists told him they were no longer going to give him the usual cash payment under the table in exchange for selling out his own country.

It seems that when people like this start approaching deaths door they try to reverse some of the more questionable activities in their past... No doubt about it Peres is getting getting up there in years. His page in deaths appointment book has to be coming up sooner rather then later   Deep down I must admit that the way I see it the second option in the above post is most likely the case.

[IsraeliGovtAreKapos]

Re:  "Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s? "

Very possible.

It is also very possible that the only reason he made that statement was because the British Globalists told him they were no longer going to give him the usual cash payment under the table in exchange for selling out his own country.

Yeah, the Jewish greedy banker Kabal is behind it Massuh, right...

Sometimes I really wonder about you...

It's a fact the Communist Elite in Israel is getting paid for eliminating the country and the people.

[muman613]

Re:  "Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s? "

Very possible.

It is also very possible that the only reason he made that statement was because the British Globalists told him they were no longer going to give him the usual cash payment under the table in exchange for selling out his own country.

Yeah, the Jewish greedy banker Kabal is behind it Massuh, right...

Sometimes I really wonder about you...

It's a fact the Communist Elite in Israel is getting paid for eliminating the country and the people.

Yes, but the problem with Massuhs statement is that by calling Brittan an anti-semitic country how does that help him? If he was getting money from them he would not do this, thus I don't see any logic in this statement. Does one cut off ones nose to spite ones face?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Right words, wrong man.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Maybe in his old age Peres feels guilty for his Leftist, Peacenik positions, and realizes that it has hurt Israel.  Perhaps he can see similarities between the UK today and the Poland he grew up in during the 1920s and 1930s?  He really is an old-school Zionist.

I'm paraphrasing, but Moshe Sharrett a real old-school leftist labor zionist said that the day Shimon Peres rises to power in Israeli politics should be a time of national mourning.    Peres is way out of bounds to be called old school anything except plain OLD.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Once again, a serious problem with reading comprehension is displayed by those castigating my posts.

I write one thing, but they respond to something entirely different which exists only in their scrambled thinking and has no bearing whatsoever on what I wrote.

Just like old times.

Either they have a serious mental disorder, or they are deliberately doing this to cause trouble on the forum, or both.