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Islamic End of Days
« on: August 02, 2010, 01:36:06 AM »
I am listening to Tamar Yonahs recent show on INR and it discusses the Muslim vision of the end of days. This website http://jewishendofdays.wordpress.com examines this in light of the Jewish faith...


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Islamic Gog and Magog Highlights

In the videos, the Imam explains the following points:

    * The European Zionists are the spawn of illegitimate Khazar converts, who converted to both Christianity and Judaism to take over the world.  They are at the root and lead of the evil New World Order, Gog-Magog-Zionist, anti-Islam conspiracy.
    * The purpose of Gog and Magog is to punish the Jews because they rejected Muhammed.  Jews were allowed back from their exile so they would convert to Islam – “The door to E”Y for the Jews is through Muhammed.” If rebellious and wicked Jews don’t convert to Islam, they deserve the worst punishments.
    * In addition to not converting to Islam, the Jews will be punished for their wickedness, which includes polluting the Middle East with homosexuality, licentiousness, pornography, hyper-materialism, and unsustainable exploitation of the natural environment (e.g. water use abuse).
    * Proof that the European Zionists have been empowered by Allah to rise before their ultimate fall is the disproportionately tremendous Jewish secular achievements.
    * Gog and Magog, led by a Jewish anti-christ figure, Daajal, will fight a war against Islam.
    * During this disasterous war, the Jews will suffer tremendously for their wickedness.
    * Islamic armies will fight the Gog-Magog-Zionists-Daajal and defeat them.  Muslim armies will conquer and occupy E”Y, and deliver the worst punishments to the Jews for their wickedness and refusal to convert to Islam.

The most striking thing to me during the entire “drush” was the absolute lack of humility demonstrated by the Imam.  When Jewish people are faced with perceived enemies, we place ultimate blame on ourselves and seek to repent.  Here, the Imam does not urge his followers in the slightest to look at themselves, but rather casts full blame and aspersion on others.  And when it comes to punishing the Jews, he demonically chuckles and smiles. (I’ve seen this before in a speech by Khomeini).

Also striking was the notion of “Power” as moral sanction.  The Imam explains that Power of Force indicates favor.  Thus, when Islam has the Power of Force to destroy the Jews, it is a sign that Allah approves of the Muslims and sanctions their violent deeds.  Its as if an abusive husband beats his wife and claims, “G-d approves of my beating you because he made me stronger than you and able to beat you.”

A Deeper Look

Based on a tip by a reader, I recently listed to Rabbi Kessin speak about the End of Days. During the class, Rabbi Kessin explains how at the End of Days the Satan (Samael), which is the Angel of Esav, will begin to fall because he is running out of holy “sparks”. He will make a deal with the Angel of Yishmael – in exchange for sparks of holiness brought down by Yishmael (how and why he can do this is in the class), Yishmael will be granted full power over the world.

Thus, at the End of Days, Yishmael stands in the Satan’s stead.  Now we can understand what is going on here with the Islamic view of the End of Days described above.

In essence, Yishmael is increasingly adopting roles usually reserved for the Satan. Yishmael has replaced Esav (Christendom) as the Jewish people’s chief prosecutor and executor.  As prosecutor, they argue that the Jews of acting wickedly.  As executor, they believe it is their mission and purpose to punish the Jews.

If we posit that Yishmael is standing in place of the Satan, we can glean important messages here that will help all of us as we prepare to do tshuva.

   1. The Jewish people need to repent from wrongdoing.  The principal tshuva point is in our personal integrity in terms of sexual purity according to halacha.  This is the big area the Satan is prosecuting us for – homosexuality, promiscuity, immodesty, etc.  This is especially so since Yishmael’s entire claim to E”Y rests on the merit of his brit milah.  We have to be able to counter with the merit of our own.
   2. The Jewish people need to continually nurture and protect the physical environment of E”Y.  Fortunately, great strides continue to be made in this area, and it should continue.  The Orthodox population, in particular, should be very conscientious in this regard (lets clean up Yerushalyim!).
   3. We should pray that, somehow, the group of reincarnated souls known as the Erev Rav, the mixed multitude, are removed from our midst peaceably, without destroying the honeypot.  When the Satan prosecutes against the “Zionists”, this is the group he is truly prosecuting against. (This is at the spiritual root, but as the spiritual prosecution manifests through humans, Zionists becomes a code for “Jews” – hence, truth mixes with falsehood – which the Satan is good at!).
   4. We should pray fervently that this “Muslims win” scenario, i.e.  the “Paras wins” scenario of the Talmud, does not occur.

In conclusion, the Islamic End of Days scenario contains ironic kernels of truth, and a frightening collective of falsehood.  We can learn from both.  The kernels of truth can inspire us to do thsuva, as the prosecutions come from the mouth of Satan himself.

And the collective of falsehood teaches us how wonderful the Jewish people are such that the nations so desperately want to be the victims of our enemies (Gog and Magog) to demonstrate they (the Muslims) are the new us (Jews).

Talk about an insecurity complex! – And they must be insecure, because at the true End of Days, like the Satan, the Angel of Yishmael will have its downfall.

HaShem should guide, bless, and protect us all!
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2010, 01:43:02 AM »
http://jewishendofdays.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/yishmaels-cynical-islamic-outreach-campaign/

Did Amalek Win?
July 25, 2010

The day after Tish b’Av, I had a chance to speak to Rabbi A., an elderly and highly respected Rabbi in the States (most readers know who he is, but I have no permission to publicize our conversation).  I asked him, “Do you think Amalek won in WWII, in the sense that the Jewish people doubt that HaShem will save us in our current situation?”

He wisely replied (and confirmed my answer), “The Torah always tells us not to ever forget what Amalek did to us. Yes.“

Then, interestingly, he spoke tangentially about his “fear for his children and grandchildren” that America will become a Muslim nation in the next 20 to 30 years.  He explained that sources say the final exile will be the exile of Yishmael, and hence, that Yishmaelic exile will perforce include America.

I suggested that sources indicate a partership between Esav and Ishmael at the End of Days, and that Ishmael is Esav’s spear, and that the Yishmaelic exile is, in fact, already happening with respsect to E”Y.  I suggested that I don’t forsee America or Russia succumbing to Yishmael, but rather remaining true to charachter as Esav.

He replied, “I’m not so sure about that.”

I then asked him, “And so what is your response to this, l’maaser (in practice).  Do you feel Jews should look toward moving to E’Y given your feelings?”

He replied, “Yes.”  We spoke about his parenting in this regard, to both children and grandchildren, and he stated that several live in E”Y. He also he agreed that American Charedi educators and leadership should do much more to inculcate and emphasize that Jewish people strive to live in E”Y.

As I walked home from shul, I reflected on our conversation.  I thought about the growing Islamic outreach phenomena in my mostly black neighborhood.  It started about two years ago with a “Why Islam? A Religion of Diversity” billboard campaign. Now, when I visit the mall, I see many more black women with hijabs.  And I also thought, in the future, could hoards of upset white Russians, Europeans, and Americans decide Islam is their answer?

I thought to myself, “Rabbi A. has a point.”

Then, later in the day, because of a payroll check mailing screw up, one of my managers had to come to my office to pick up her check.  My manager is black, and her 21 year old daughter was with her. This daughter is a very nice girl, and attends college.  I have met her before, and was impressed.

It was a very hot day and she wore a strapless dress.  I noticed a tattoo on her arm, in red Arabic letters.

I’ve thought about the Islamization of American blacks before, but brushed it off as relatively insignificant.  But given the synchronicity of events that day, HaShem was definitely trying to send me a message.

This trend is not insignificant.

Tragically, these new black converts to Islam have no idea what they are really signing up for.  Faced with no religious alternative save the “white man’s” Christianity, they think that they are joining an upright religion of diversity and peace.

But really they are willing victims of Yishmael’s cynical campaign to build an army of second-class Muslim slaves.  I can only imagine what the racist Arabs say behind closed doors after they do an “instant Shahadah (conversion)”.

Here is a video clip of a young African American explaining why he converted to Islam. Its gives good insight into what goes on in black convert’s minds and the tremendous naivete involved.  And, at the end of the video, note who he thanks for helping him find this path!!
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2010, 01:57:11 AM »
Beyond the religious implications of the article, one thing is clear. Muslims object Israel because they don't want Jews to have a Homeland. Not because they believe to have some rights on EY. So, peaceniks, have it clear, no matter how many concessions Israel makes to Arabs, peace won't come.

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2010, 01:58:07 AM »
http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380312/jewish/The-Final-Battle-with-Ishmael.htm

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The Final Battle with Ishmael
By Pinchas Winston

The Midrash speaks of four exiles in advance of Mashiach's arrival and the Final Redemption: Babylonian, Median, Greek, and Roman (Bereishit Rabba 2:4). Yet the Zohar speaks of another aspect of exile at the End of Days:

...The descendents of Ishmael will go up at that time [End of Days] with the nations of the world against Jerusalem... (Zohar 1:119a)

There is a tradition that Ishmael will be the final extension of the Roman Exile. It will be with his descendants that the final generation of Jews before the redemption will have to contend. This is supported by the Midrash:

Israel will say to the king of the Arabs, "Take silver and gold and leave the Temple." The king of the Arabs will say, "You have nothing to do with this Temple. However, if you want, choose a sacrifice as you did in the past, and we will also offer a sacrifice, and with the one whose sacrifice is accepted, we will all become one people." The Jewish people will offer theirs, but it will not be accepted because the Satan will lay charges against them before The Holy One, Blessed is He. The descendents of Kedar will offer theirs, and it will be accepted.... At that time, the Arabs will say to Israel, "Come and believe in our faith," but Israel will answer, "We will kill or be killed, but we will not deny our belief!" At that time, swords will be drawn, bows will be strung and arrows will be sent, and many will fall... (Sefer Eliyahu, Pirkei Mashiach, p. 236)

Furthermore, says the Zohar:

[During the Resurrection of the Dead], many camps will arise in Land of the Galilee, because that is where Mashiach is going to be revealed, since it is part of Joseph's territory. It will be the first place to be destroyed. It will begin there ahead of all other places, and then spread to the nations... (Vayakhel 220a)

When the latest Intifadah began, one of the first places to be destroyed was the Tomb of Joseph. The barbaric destruction of this Jewish holy site caught the world's attention, though the damage could not be reversed.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 01:58:33 AM »
Do you have a link to the radio show Muman? Sometimes I've listened to her show a few times in the past but I lost the link to it.

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2010, 01:59:50 AM »
Do you have a link to the radio show Muman? Sometimes I've listened to her show a few times in the past but I lost the link to it.

Sure RS,

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2419

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Yonatan Silverman from Sartaba  Publications and translations joins Tamar and discusses the latest news stories in the Hebrew press. Afterwords, Blogger Tzedek, from Jewish End of Days  comes on and shares a fascinating analysis of the 'Islamic Gog and Magog End Times Scenario' in 'Satan And Yishmael Make A Deal!' .

I love her shows... She always has some interesting guests.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2010, 02:00:44 AM »
Thanks, she has a lot of interesting programs. I wish I had more time to listen to them.

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2010, 02:16:59 AM »
http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380312/jewish/The-Final-Battle-with-Ishmael.htm

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The Final Battle with Ishmael
By Pinchas Winston

The Midrash speaks of four exiles in advance of Mashiach's arrival and the Final Redemption: Babylonian, Median, Greek, and Roman (Bereishit Rabba 2:4). Yet the Zohar speaks of another aspect of exile at the End of Days:

...The descendents of Ishmael will go up at that time [End of Days] with the nations of the world against Jerusalem... (Zohar 1:119a)

There is a tradition that Ishmael will be the final extension of the Roman Exile. It will be with his descendants that the final generation of Jews before the redemption will have to contend. This is supported by the Midrash:

Israel will say to the king of the Arabs, "Take silver and gold and leave the Temple." The king of the Arabs will say, "You have nothing to do with this Temple. However, if you want, choose a sacrifice as you did in the past, and we will also offer a sacrifice, and with the one whose sacrifice is accepted, we will all become one people." The Jewish people will offer theirs, but it will not be accepted because the Satan will lay charges against them before The Holy One, Blessed is He. The descendents of Kedar will offer theirs, and it will be accepted.... At that time, the Arabs will say to Israel, "Come and believe in our faith," but Israel will answer, "We will kill or be killed, but we will not deny our belief!" At that time, swords will be drawn, bows will be strung and arrows will be sent, and many will fall... (Sefer Eliyahu, Pirkei Mashiach, p. 236)

Furthermore, says the Zohar:

[During the Resurrection of the Dead], many camps will arise in Land of the Galilee, because that is where Mashiach is going to be revealed, since it is part of Joseph's territory. It will be the first place to be destroyed. It will begin there ahead of all other places, and then spread to the nations... (Vayakhel 220a)

When the latest Intifadah began, one of the first places to be destroyed was the Tomb of Joseph. The barbaric destruction of this Jewish holy site caught the world's attention, though the damage could not be reversed.


Oh, boy! Is there a safe place one can go to? Buy a farm somewhere "in the boonies"?

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2010, 06:47:12 AM »
I'd move to Antarctica Masha.

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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2010, 03:32:32 AM »
That's pretty interesting.  Ishmael will be thrashed [with the help of Heaven]!
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2010, 11:05:27 AM »
Islamic End of Days is actually end of Muslam.

They say that a huge force of 16000 Jews will come from Khurasan (East Iran+West Afghan) to Syria and their leader will be Dhajjal. Clearly they confused Jews with Iranian Shiaite and Hazara.

Their Islamic End of Days is an infighting between sunni and shia where one is seemingly encouraged by the Christis and and other is encouraged by Jews so that all muslamics get perished by one way or the other. There can not be any better way than what they themselves have selected.   
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2010, 12:17:58 PM »
Because you know, those giant Jewish armies are going to conquer the world and enslave all the muslims. They make it sound like there's a Jew under every rock and around every corner when in reality they outnumber Jews probably 250-1 or even way more.

The Islamic end of days was definitely a motivation for nazi propaganda when in WW2 the nazis said that behind the ally/soviet armies were Jewish armies ready to rape and pillage all of Germany. The myth of a giant Jewish nation is so ludicrous.
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2010, 07:28:46 PM »
Islam should come to an end.
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2010, 07:32:22 PM »
Because you know, those giant Jewish armies are going to conquer the world and enslave all the muslims. They make it sound like there's a Jew under every rock and around every corner when in reality they outnumber Jews probably 250-1 or even way more.

The Islamic end of days was definitely a motivation for nazi propaganda when in WW2 the nazis said that behind the ally/soviet armies were Jewish armies ready to rape and pillage all of Germany. The myth of a giant Jewish nation is so ludicrous.


Behold the secret location of billions of giant militant Jews!
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Re: Islamic End of Days
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2010, 07:48:21 PM »
Ari that's so funny :)