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I have a solution let him hang out with Steven and Ben they can be a three some :laugh:  


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Partner of gay shooting victim to be deported

Thomas Schmidt of Germany, who built life with Nir Katz in Israel, ordered to leave country by end of month as his visa is about to expire

Tzahi Cohen
Published:    02.09.11, 12:31 / Israel News
   
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Hard-hearted Interior Ministry: Thomas Schmidt lost his partner in the Tel Aviv GLBT community bar shooting 18 moths ago. Now he is going to lose the life he built in Israel: The Interior ministry is insisting on deporting him from Israel by the end of the month.

 

 
Thomas Schmidt, 27, is a German citizen with temporary resident status in Israel. On Sunday the Interior Ministry told him that his visa was about to expire and that he would have to leave Israel by the end of the month – after more than six years in Israel.

 
Schmidt came to Israel in 2004 as a volunteer. A year later he met Nir Katz and the two became a couple. Katz's family – his mother, her partner Gili Shenhav and their five other children took Schmidt in as one of the family. Schmidt, who had little contact with his family in Germany, found a loving home.

 

On August 1, 2009, Katz, whose father was killed in the IDF Zeelim base disaster, was murdered in a shooting attack at the Tel Aviv GLBT club where he was a councilor.

 

Katz, who was 26 when he died, left behind his life partner. After his murder, Katz's mother Ayala appealed to the Interior Ministry to allow Schmidt to remain in Israel. "In our minds, Schmidt is a member of the family in every way that counts," she explained to the Population Administration.

 
She noted that even after her son's murder, the family remained in contact with his lover: He was invited to Friday night dinners, celebrated birthdays together and was at the family table at a wedding.

 
'My whole life is in Israel'
In spite of her plea the Interior Ministry refuses to allow Schmidt to stay in Israel permanently. In an exclusive interview with Yedioth Ahronoth this weekend, Schmidt declares that he is determined to fight the decision. "My whole life is in Israel. My friends, my job, my family," he said.

 
"If I go back to Germany now I need to start from scratch. I'll be displaced and alone – with no one. My family is the Katz-Shenhar family. I feel Israeli. I love this country and see my future here. I hope to be promoted in my workplace and enjoy the family that has taken me in like a son."

 
The Association for Civil Rights is set to appeal to the courts to direct the Interior Ministry to extend Schmidt's visa by a year and demands that he then receive permanent residency.

 
Yet the Interior Ministry stated: "We have acted with leniency - his visa has already been extended by nine months. At the end of that period he will be requested to leave the country. We believe that efforts have been made to take his unique situation into consideration in addition to the fact that he will be able to visit Israel whenever he wishes to do so."
Thy destroyers and they that make thee waste shall go forth of thee.  Isaiah 49:17

 
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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2011, 12:01:50 PM »
I recognize that this guy has suffered some sort of a loss/tragedy but that just doesn't mean he should stay for good in Israel. He is just 27 and it's not like he is banished to Africa.

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2011, 09:26:07 PM »
I think Israel would be better off without this kind of nation-wrecking person in it. Homosexual activity is a very serious sin and if Israel basically gives its blessing to such activity by granting him some kind of special leniency then that won't be good for Israel.

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2011, 09:32:41 PM »
I think Israel would be better off without this kind of nation-wrecking person in it. Homosexual activity is a very serious sin and if Israel basically gives its blessing to such activity by granting him some kind of special leniency then that won't be good for Israel.
i really sympathize with this gay guy, but I do agree with you Rubystars, Israel would  be better without him. But before kicking him out, why don't the Bolsheviks kick out tens of thousands of illegitimate interlopers from Sudan? I'd think that would be more prescient.
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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 09:34:43 PM »
i really sympathize with this gay guy, but I do agree with you Rubystars, Israel would  be better without him. But before kicking him out, why don't the Bolsheviks kick out tens of thousands of illegitimate interlopers from Sudan? I'd think that would be more prescient.

Both are important to get rid of. Israel is the only Middle Eastern country where openly gay stuff is tolerated, do you think that makes God happy?

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 04:28:55 AM »
i really sympathize with this gay guy, but I do agree with you Rubystars, Israel would  be better without him. But before kicking him out, why don't the Bolsheviks kick out tens of thousands of illegitimate interlopers from Sudan? I'd think that would be more prescient.
There is the solution to this lads troubles. He should undergo negroplasty and pretend he is from Africa. Then he becomes untouchable.

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 09:47:08 AM »

Ohhhhh how touching.
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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2011, 10:44:20 AM »
He's being permitted to stay
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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 11:32:44 AM »
According to current secular Israeli Law, he should be allowed to stay and get citizenship. Any Gentile who has legally resided in Israel for at least 3 of the last 5 years is entitled to get Israeli citizenship, even if that person is not living in Israel at the time he applies citizenship. But he must resign his former citizenship (unlike those who apply under the Law of Return, who can keep their former nationality, or even get permanent residence without becoming nationals). If the Gentile applicant is living in his country of origin and that country does not accept resignation of citizenship presented from inside its territory, Israeli consulate can even award a pending naturalisation which would be revoked if he does not resign his former nationality as soon as he can.
That man is now in Israel, so he CAN resign German citizenship at the nearest German consulate on tthe same day he becomes Israeli. That's the Law. I don't know waht happened in his case. Perhaps it's a biass, but most likely, he does not want to resign German citizenship. And obviously, A gentile cannot get permanent residence even in secualr Israel if he refuses to naturalise while being able to do so.

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2011, 12:32:48 PM »
Pure insanity.

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2011, 01:29:12 PM »
According to current secular Israeli Law, he should be allowed to stay and get citizenship. Any Gentile who has legally resided in Israel for at least 3 of the last 5 years is entitled to get Israeli citizenship, even if that person is not living in Israel at the time he applies citizenship. But he must resign his former citizenship (unlike those who apply under the Law of Return, who can keep their former nationality, or even get permanent residence without becoming nationals). If the Gentile applicant is living in his country of origin and that country does not accept resignation of citizenship presented from inside its territory, Israeli consulate can even award a pending naturalisation which would be revoked if he does not resign his former nationality as soon as he can.
That man is now in Israel, so he CAN resign German citizenship at the nearest German consulate on tthe same day he becomes Israeli. That's the Law. I don't know waht happened in his case. Perhaps it's a biass, but most likely, he does not want to resign German citizenship. And obviously, A gentile cannot get permanent residence even in secualr Israel if he refuses to naturalise while being able to do so.
I don't know what is your source but I think you are incorrect. Spouses of an Israeli citizen can become citizens and the process takes a few years. People who stay illegally in Israel don't get to become citizens just because they had managed to dodge the police for years.

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Re: Gay German guy whose Israeli boyfriend was shot wants to remain in Israel
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2011, 02:10:49 PM »
I don't know what is your source but I think you are incorrect. Spouses of an Israeli citizen can become citizens and the process takes a few years. People who stay illegally in Israel don't get to become citizens just because they had managed to dodge the police for years.

Spouses of Jewish Israeli citizens, and any kin to a Jew. But a Gentile can get it after 3 years only if he resigns his former nationality. Illegal immigrants have no rights. But that man was with a visa. He did not dogde the police. I think his problem is that he wants to stay in Israel and keep German citizenship.