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Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« on: April 06, 2011, 01:12:12 AM »
I just found this incredible post on Breslev.co.il which discusses a letter which was written by Rabbi Kahane in 1976 which Rabbi Brody finds prophetic. It is clear from Rabbi Lazer Brodys writing that he is fully with the Kahanists concerning our love of Eretz Yisroel and the Jewish people.

I love Rabbi Lazer Brody and listen to his radio show on IsraelNationalNews. He is a Breslever and his whole approach is related to emunah. But Rabbi Brody also has served in the IDF and has been involved in insane missions into Lebanon. He is not the kind of Rabbi who wants to duck and run from the enemy. This is why he is such a great Rabbi, he is able to approach Judaism in the way it should be, that we are proud Jews and we should not be ashamed of defending ourselves.

Read this post:

http://www.breslev.co.il/articles/editorials/editorials/concessions_and_old_fish.aspx?id=11092&language=english


Concessions and Old Fish

The editorial page of Breslev Israel's English website

The Torah is Hashem’s light. Just as Hashem is eternal, so are the words of Torah eternal. By the same token, the more a leader or scholar clings to Torah and devotes his life to learning Torah and to fulfilling all of its commandments, the more his teachings are far reaching and relevant to subsequent generations.
 
The Rambam teaches us (Introduction to the Mishna) to accept truth from whoever gives it to us. Many people refuse to hear the truth if it is told to them by someone of a different political party or religious orientation than their own.
 
For example, the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s forewarnings about what would happen if Israel succumbs to international pressure and/or makes concessions to our hostile neighbors have materialized to the letter. The Lubavitcher Rebbe was a true tzaddik, and we as Breslever Chassidim connect ourselves to all of the true tzaddikim. A number of readers with anti-Chabad leanings have written us irate letters for reprinting the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s teachings. We answered them by saying that they don’t have to sing Chabad melodies or make Shabbat-morning Kiddush on a glass of Smirnoff, but they can’t deny the truth.
 
Politicians with no connection to Torah lack an understanding about Israel’s task in the world, and where it should be heading. Also, their decisions often have nothing to do with the welfare of the Jewish People and the Land of Israel in the long run. International pressure and short-term comforts and convenience frequently cloud their judgment. Today’s mistakes will have to be corrected tomorrow. Today’s convenience is tomorrow’s suffering. When outcries protesting the infamous disengagement from Jewish Gaza warned that Grad missiles would fall in Ashdod and Ashkelon, the convenience seekers scoffed. In retrospect, it’s today obvious who was right.
 
When I was a student at the University of Maryland in the late 1960’s, a proud Jew with a star of David on my black-leather motorcycle jacket but light years away from Torah and teshuva, a young rabbi from New York City came down to our campus and spoke to our group of “Jewish Students for Israel.” He pulled me aside, put a loving arm around my shoulder, and blessed me that someday I’d live a life of total commitment to Hashem. I never met such a warm, caring, and sincere Rabbi. He didn’t preach about anything except assimilation, which he called a victory for Hitler. He encouraged us to take pride in our Jewish identity and to learn more about ourselves. He told us to be honest and upright citizens and to be a credit to our people.
 
Just a few days ago, I received the following letter that was written by the above-mentioned rabbi, of blessed and martyred memory:
 
Many times I have spoken of the Talmudic parable of the king, his servant, and the fish. Never was it more apt.
 
Once there was a king who sent his servant to buy a fish. The servant returned with a fish that stank. In fury the king gave the servant a choice of three punishments: "Eat the fish, get whipped for the fish, or pay for the fish." In common with most people, the servant chose not to reach into his pocket and he decided to eat the stinking fish but after two bites the stench made him give up and he decided to get whipped for it. The pain of the lashes, however, made him stop that, too, and he cried out, "I will pay for the fish!"
 
And so the fool ate the fish, got whipped for the fish and, in the end, had to pay for it, anyhow. Those in Israel and without, who refuse to understand that nothing will deter America from demanding that Israel make the maximum concessions, play the same fool. Those who do not understand that there is nothing that Israel can possibly do, that there are no compromises it can make, that there is nothing short of full retreat to the 1967 borders that will satisfy the United States – are the same fools as the servant who ate, got whipped and in the end had to pay anyhow.
 
Their refusal to make the difficult choice of telling the Americans "no", now, at this moment, will see them making the retreats they hope will avert American anger; it will see this effort fail even as the frontier moves from its present lines within the Arab heartland to new ones close to the Jewish cities; and most important, the Americans will make the same demands they always have envisioned since the days of the Rogers Plan-total Israeli withdrawal. And since this is a thing that not even the most dovish of Israelis will agree to, the result will be an ultimate Israeli firm "no," an ultimate American anger of the kind all men of "new initiative" propose to avert today by compromise, and exactly the same conditions of confrontation that would come anyhow if the Israelis said their "no" today. There would be one great difference, however, a "no" today will bring the crisis while Israel stands poised near the Arab capitals. A "no" tomorrow, after all the hapless and confused compromises and "initiatives," will bring the same crisis near Tel Aviv, Beersheva and Netanya.
 
This is what happens when foolish and confused Israelis, by refusing to pay the price of saying "no" to the stinking fish of pressure, attempt to eat it, submit to getting beaten over it and then learn to their dismay that there is no escape from the difficult decision that they should have made in the first place.
 
Let the Israeli government, its men of "new initiative" and the Jewish leaders in America understand several basic axioms:
 
1) America is committed to the world's interpretation of Security Council Resolution 242, i.e. Israeli withdrawal from all (but insignificant) parts of the lands of 1967. This includes the Golan Heights, Gaza, the entire West bank and the entire Sinai as well as changing Jerusalem's present Jewish sovereignty status.
 
2) American interests lie, in the minds of most officials in Washington, with Arab oil, the huge potential Arab market and with supplanting Soviet influence with American. This means, at best, an "even-handed" policy rather than a pro-Israeli one.
 
3) America is moving steadily to recognition of the "Palestinians" as a people and of whomever they decide to have as their leaders. Those leaders are clearly the PLO and already the move to "moderate" the PLO, "public-relations-wise" is underway so that Washington can more easily pressure Israel into recognizing them.
 
4) The [incoming] administration is determined to prevent stagnation and will pressure Israel into concession after concession.
 
5) No administration will go to war for Israel and no administration will continue the present aid level no matter what Israel does or concedes. The frantic search for human allies will end as unsuccessfully as those Jews in the past who forgot what faith in the Jewish G-d was and who turned to Egypt or Assyria or other "allies" for help, only to learn to their dismay that the allies betrayed them.
 
Stinking fish are not made to be eaten or to get whipped for. One must have the courage to look at the truth and pay the bitter price of honesty. America is tired of the Israeli nuisance and wishes it would eat the fish already. The time to loudly proclaim "no" is now.
 
Meir Kahane, 1976

 
Rebbe Kahane became a martyr when an Arab assassin’s bullet put an end to his life. Say what you like, but like the Rambam tells us, “Accept truth from wherever you hear it.” One can argue with Rabbi Kahane’s outlook or methodology, but his words said 33 years ago are painfully relevant today. May Hashem give us the strength to do what’s right for our people and our country Israel, amen.
 

 
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 02:00:09 AM »
This is a good introduction to who Rabbi Brody is, this is one part of a four part interview of Lazer Brody.

He discusses how he ended up where he is today...

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 02:25:12 AM »
Here is another good video by Rabbi Brody:

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 07:06:55 AM »
Amazing letter. I may do an email forward. Those with face book pages post it. This with zionist facebook groups, post it. Israelis, translate it and post it. Educated people will understand it and those on the fence will fall in this direction.

Noticing a prophecy in hindsight is a huge thing. It turns in light bulbs.
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 07:09:33 AM »
Can someone translate muman's post to hebrew and pm it the translation to me?
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 01:39:44 PM »

Rebbe Kahane became a martyr when an Arab assassin’s bullet put an end to his life. Say what you like, but like the Rambam tells us, “Accept truth from wherever you hear it.” One can argue with Rabbi Kahane’s outlook or methodology, but his words said 33 years ago are painfully relevant today. May Hashem give us the strength to do what’s right for our people and our country Israel, amen.
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Why does there always have to be this sort of "disclaimer" attached?  Can't Rabbi Kahane be quoted like any other rabbi is quoted?

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2011, 08:14:48 PM »
I personally would not do this, but suppose someone said "Say what you want about Rebbe Nachman, but you can't deny the truth of where he said  xyz."   How do you think Rabbi Brody or any other Breslav adhering Jew would take a statement like that?   I'm not a Breslav adherent, and I would be insulted by it.      So why is this defamation allowed to pass, and in fact customary, when people speak about the great Rabbi Kahane?

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 09:16:16 PM »
I personally would not do this, but suppose someone said "Say what you want about Rebbe Nachman, but you can't deny the truth of where he said  xyz."   How do you think Rabbi Brody or any other Breslav adhering Jew would take a statement like that?   I'm not a Breslav adherent, and I would be insulted by it.      So why is this defamation allowed to pass, and in fact customary, when people speak about the great Rabbi Kahane?

I dont think any defamation was intended. But the truth is that some people have acquired a wrong impression of Rabbi Kahane. I have encountered this from many Rabbis who I talk to concerning Kahanism. What is good about what Rabbi Brody said about Rabbi Kahane is that he was prophetically correct about the situation in the Holy Land and that the Rabbi was very concerned with keeping Jews Jewish.

I was not offended by what he said. It was not intended as an insult, but it softened the complaints against him concerning the 'image' that Kahanists have as being 'hot-headed' and 'extreme'. I think these two traits do a lot to 'turn off' many Jews from the message. Rabbi Brody does a good job of bringing it to those who know only the negative about Rabbi Kahane.

I think it is good to bring Jews from diverse regions and followers of different Rabbis together. As he said in his article he even receives complaints for discussing the teachings of the Lubavitch Rabbi... As he said one doesn't have to accept all of Chabads minhags in order to see the truth in some of the Lubavitch Rabbis teachings... Even the Chabad Rabbis I know will quote from Likutey Moran {the writings of Rabbi Nachmans followers}...

http://www.ou.org/about/judaism/rabbis/breslov.htm
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2011, 09:40:39 PM »
Almost all of the chabad rabbis ive spoken to have said" They thought he was a rightous jew and respected him" One chabad rabbi last shabbat told me that he had a conversation with rav kahane on an el al flight headed towards israels only airport. In the conversation ravi kahane told this chabad shaleiach," that although I want every jew to be in israel, but you chabadnikim are saving us jewry". In fact if it wasnt for chabad there wouldnt be any US Jewry left

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 11:07:02 PM »

Nu?



Can someone translate muman's post to hebrew and pm it the translation to me?
If someone says something bad about you, say something nice about them. That way, both of you would be lying.

In your heart you know WE are right and in your guts you know THEY are nuts!

"Science without religion is lame; Religion without science is blind."  - Albert Einstein

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 12:31:18 AM »
Nu?




Maybe it is translated on their website... They have a hebrew version of the page... Let me check!!!

No luck...

Maybe if nobody here can do it I can ask the Rabbi if he has this article in hebrew..


You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 09:32:28 AM »
Excellent!
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Re: Rabbi Lazer Brody Discusses his experience with Rabbi Kahane
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 02:37:54 AM »
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