Such a shame! :(

[Daniel]

Such a shame that it took a black socialist Muslim with an IQ of 45 to kill Bin Laden.

[Dr. Dan]

Welcome back

[Daniel]

Oops, I'm sorry! I mean a black socialist Muslim that was born in Kenya!

[Lisa]

Wait, I thought you voted for him, Daniel.  I thought you liked that fact that he would support public education. 

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Wait, I thought you voted for him, Daniel.  I thought you liked that fact that he would support public education. 

The thread was a weak attempt at sarcasm, from what I can gather.

He is basically gloating that his hero took out bin laden

[IsraelForever]

Obama is getting way too much credit for this.  It just so happens that the Intelligence people finally figured out who that courier was and where he was going.  And it took them from 2003 (based on information obtained from a Guantanamo detainee) until now to figure it out.  Obama got lucky is all, if you ask me.  A person in November of 2012 would have to be a total moron to vote for Obama based on Intelligence finally bearing fruit in May of 2011.

[Mishmaat]

Such a shame that it took a black socialist Muslim with an IQ of 45 to kill Bin Laden.

The real shame is that you still fail to see the big picture. You won't be gloating about your hero when G-d forbid a dirty bomb is set off in Manhattan. Obama is an enabler of Muslim terrorism because he is pro-Muslim. G-d help us if this animal is reelected. We're in for a lot of trouble and you're the type of person who will enthusiastically vote for him again in 2012. It's appalling that you as a Jew don't understand that Obama is not only bad for America; he's also terrible for Israel.

[Daniel]

Did you hear about Bin Laden's final words? "I need all these Navy SEALs at my door like I need a whole in the head!"

[cjd]

What is it with crazy liberals that makes them bow down and kiss the rump of every black animal thats in a position of authority??  This Bin Laden garbage is a side show that will do nothing but boost the shvartza Presidents ratings by proxy... All the dumb animal had to do was give the go ahead... It's a win win situation for him for doing almost nothing...The ground work for this action was laid out years  ahead... Pay attention to how this [censored] monetary policies are destroying the dollar and  stalling the economy with crazy energy policy that is causing prices of everything to go through the roof...  The only reason he is hot on the education system is because he views the educators as a bunch of fat cats that need to be put on a diet  ... On that issue and only that issue he is a liberal with common sense 

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Such a shame that it took a black socialist Muslim with an IQ of 45 to kill Bin Laden.

You are a filthy, disgusting animal who should be ashamed of having been born. Nobody likes your worthless faggot tuchis. Go back to Metropolitan Community Church where you probably came from. If you were in a burning building and Osama bin Laden was and I could only rescue one of them, it sure as hell wouldn't be you.

[Lisa]

Look Tempe, I like you very much, but that was totally uncalled for.  You're not always going to agree with other members.  But please keep it civil at least. 

[Daniel]

It's very interesting how so many of you on here engage in the same type of vicious ad hominum and name calling attacks as those who are extremely anti-Zionist. When I debate with those who are very anti-Israel, I am attacked in the same exact manner with the same exact language.

[Daniel]

Look Tempe, I like you very much, but that was totally uncalled for.  You're not always going to agree with other members.  But please keep it civil at least. 

Lisa, I do appreciate your objectivity and recognition of what's civil and what's not on this forum, regardless of whose views you personally agree with.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

It's very interesting how so many of you on here engage in the same type of vicious ad hominum and name calling attacks as those who are extremely anti-Zionist. When I debate with those who are very anti-Israel, I am attacked in the same exact manner with the same exact language.

It's very uninteresting how you consistently label all the forum members with a broad brush, as if we are all the same and you can't stand us, whenever one person says something you don't like.   If you hate us all so much why do you post here?   

Do you misrepresent other people to help your self esteem?

[Mishmaat]

If he's such an enabler of Muslim terrorism, how could he possibly allow the US to take out its biggest enemy? If he was such an enormous Manchurian candidate, then why didn't he do everything possible to sabotage the SEALs' mission?

What is it with this sick tendency to vilify one person? Our biggest enemy is not Osama bin Laden. Our biggest enemy is an ideology. Our biggest enemy is Islam stupid. As long as we have leaders who will not condemn Islam we will continue to face an imminent threat of another terrorist attack. Obama, in an act of treason, went to Cairo, Egypt and made a speech on behalf of that sick Satanic death cult. He makes me sick to my stomach.

Also, pardon my apparent naivety and ignorance, but what exactly has Obama done that has made him the worst president for Israel ever? The only thing I've seen him do is state the same exact rhetoric that all previous president's state, that Israel's security is sacrosanct, but that we also need to move towards developing a Palestinian state. How does that make him any different from Carter, Clinton, Bush, etc. I'm not saying he's good for Israel, but I don't see how he has been the worst president ever for Israel. Please tell me what anti-Israel maneuvers Obama has done that no other previous president has done.

Never since Clinton have I seen someone so adamant about creating a "Palestinian" state. The amount of pressure that he's placed on Israeli leaders to make concessions may be unprecedented. His full intervention to freeze any further building in the settlements and East Jerusalem is just the beginning. It's going to get worse and worse as time progresses.

Oh, and by the way, I think Obama has been an absolute DISASTER for public education. He has been a real conservative with his "Race to the top" legislation and his push to open up more charter schools. I know just about all of you will be astounded that I find him to be "conservative" on this issue and feel that not one red cent should go to public education. But this is now my stance. But no republican will be any better.

I really couldn't care much about this issue to be quite honest.

[Dr. Dan]

If he's such an enabler of Muslim terrorism, how could he possibly allow the US to take out its biggest enemy? If he was such an enormous Manchurian candidate, then why didn't he do everything possible to sabotage the SEALs' mission?

Also, pardon my apparent naivety and ignorance, but what exactly has Obama done that has made him the worst president for Israel ever? The only thing I've seen him do is state the same exact rhetoric that all previous president's state, that Israel's security is sacrosanct, but that we also need to move towards developing a Palestinian state. How does that make him any different from Carter, Clinton, Bush, etc. I'm not saying he's good for Israel, but I don't see how he has been the worst president ever for Israel. Please tell me what anti-Israel maneuvers Obama has done that no other previous president has done.

Oh, and by the way, I think Obama has been an absolute DISASTER for public education. He has been a real conservative with his "Race to the top" legislation and his push to open up more charter schools. I know just about all of you will be astounded that I find him to be "conservative" on this issue and feel that not one red cent should go to public education. But this is now my stance. But no republican will be any better.

Like most Muslims and many blacks, Obama would kill another Muslim or black person if it meant getting him ahead in the polls or get American approval.

And Obama is horrible for Israel because he sides with the Arabs 100% and never with Israel.  Bush at least let Israel defend itself up to a certain point in its wars.  That's not to say Bush was wonderful for Israel..All the presidents were bad for Israel.

Public education, unfortunately, is a disaster no matter who is president, no offense.  I'm lucky enough to have gone to a good public school...but today things are absolutely horrible.  Who's fault is it?  It's not 100% the teachers' faults.  It's the parents' faults for not instilling proper morality to their children's lives.  It's the fault of the public television that has lost any sense of patriotism in this country.  Without patriotism for one's own country and proper moral values, kids and teacher's will have a less of desire to teach with a strong goal in mind.  Without morality and a sense of patriotism in this country, fewer kids will want to succeed and become inventors.  With socialism on our midst due to our wonderful president, future kids will less likely have an incentive to work hard....This is one of the biggest reasons why Obama is a disaster.  What we need is a good conservative with good moral values that will lift the spirits of Americans and make them want to have an incentive to work hard and hire more people and teach kids to succeed instead of rely on outside immigrants that might not care as much about this country as true Americans should.

[Dr. Dan]

You are a filthy, disgusting animal who should be ashamed of having been born. Nobody likes your worthless faggot tuchis. Go back to Metropolitan Community Church where you probably came from. If you were in a burning building and Osama bin Laden was and I could only rescue one of them, it sure as hell wouldn't be you.

Tempe, do we have to put you in timeout?  Debate, don't defame....

[muman613]

obama is a catastrophe for Israel because it was HE, not Fatah or Hamas, who proposed that Israel impose a building freeze... Where did that come from? The arabs did not ask for it...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133251

‘Obama to Netanyahu: 'Freeze Building and I Will Be Your Friend’
Published: 09/03/09
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
Follow Israel news on Twitter and Facebook.

U.S. President Barack Obama has offered Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to be his friend in return for a freeze on building for Jews in Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem, according to Politco.com editor Ben Smith.

The website is a multi-million dollar Washington-based operation that focuses on the White House and Congress. The relationship between the two leaders has been termed as chilly even before they met in Washington earlier this year.

"Netanyahu’s at a pivotal moment,” a senior U.S. official told Smith. “Depending on what he decides, he could wind up with a very strong relationship with President Obama and potentially become a historic figure in Israel." Ron Dermer, spokesman for the Prime Minister, declined to comment on the report.

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[Dr. Dan]

It's very interesting how so many of you on here engage in the same type of vicious ad hominum and name calling attacks as those who are extremely anti-Zionist. When I debate with those who are very anti-Israel, I am attacked in the same exact manner with the same exact language.

Daniel, only Tempe made those comments...I know that at least I welcomed you back...Rather than name call back, give credit where it's due...otherwise, you are just another Joy Beyhar who looks at the cup half empty when convenient...

[Daniel]

Daniel, only Tempe made those comments...I know that at least I welcomed you back...Rather than name call back, give credit where it's due...otherwise, you are just another Joy Beyhar who looks at the cup half empty when convenient...

I appreciate you welcoming me back, even though I thought you were doing so because you thought I was being serious and not sarcastic   But I see that you have welcomed me back anyway and do appreciate that and thank you for that. The point that I'm making is that "many" but not "all" people who are on diametrically opposed sides of an issue very often engage in the same exact type of rhetoric and ad hominum personal attacks.

Yeah, you have your Joy Beyhars on one side and your Ann Coulters on the opposite side who both engage in the same exact manner.

[cjd]

I appreciate you welcoming me back, even though I thought you were doing so because you thought I was being serious and not sarcastic   But I see that you have welcomed me back anyway and do appreciate that and thank you for that. The point that I'm making is that "many" but not "all" people who are on diametrically opposed sides of an issue very often engage in the same exact type of rhetoric and ad hominum personal attacks.

Yeah, you have your Joy Beyhars on one side and your Ann Coulters on the opposite side who both engage in the same exact manner.

As a old time member it's always nice to see you back however policy like yours is not going to garner much support here at JTF... When people use that phrase "ad hominum" it calls to my mind the worst of Liberal slander always used by radical liberals and progressives... I always considered you a liberal and a [censored] lover but never actually a radical liberal... G-d willing I should not have to make a reevaluation here  ... Your endless support for the shvartza President and for blacks in general who are among the worst Israel bashing groups really leaves me wondering... G-d willing some day soon you will see the light and become a Conservative.

[Daniel]

As a old time member it's always nice to see you back however policy like yours is not going to garner much support here at JTF... When people use that phrase "ad hominum" it calls to my mind the worst of Liberal slander always used by radical liberals and progressives... I always considered you a liberal and a schvartza lover but never actually a radical liberal... G-d willing I should not have to make a reevaluation here  ... Your endless support for the shvartza President and for blacks in general who are among the worst Israel bashing groups really leaves me wondering... G-d willing some day soon you will see the light and become a Conservative.

Ad hominum attacks have absolutely nothing to do with political ideology. As I said, the anti-Zionist folks are by far the worst violators of this type of argument. Forget about being on the left. These people are in a completely different dimension all-together.

Also, I'm not a "schvarta lover" and I don't give endless support for the "shvartza President", I just simply don't hate blacks and don't hate Obama the way so many of you do. The very fact that you use this type of language only illustrates just how clear and strong your hatred is of black people. Trust me, there are plenty of things that have disappointed me about Obama. I have found him to be way too compromising and spineless on certain issues. So just because I don't demonize and villify him the way so many of you do on here, that doesn't mean that I harbor unconditional support for him. It just simply means that I'm not a schvartza hater. Besides, if you want to consider me a radical, you can go right ahead. But just keep in mind that from all the friends, family, and colleagues that I'm associated with, most of them think the way I think. So from my point of view, my views and beliefs are mainstream. It's only on forums like these that my views appear radical.

[Dr. Dan]

Ad hominum attacks have absolutely nothing to do with political ideology. As I said, the anti-Zionist folks are by far the worst violators of this type of argument. Forget about being on the left. These people are in a completely different dimension all-together.

Also, I'm not a "schvarta lover" and I don't give endless support for the "shvartza President", I just simply don't hate blacks and don't hate Obama the way so many of you do. The very fact that you use this type of language only illustrates just how clear and strong your hatred is of black people. Trust me, there are plenty of things that have disappointed me about Obama. I have found him to be way too compromising and spineless on certain issues. So just because I don't demonize and villify him the way so many of you do on here, that doesn't mean that I harbor unconditional support for him. It just simply means that I'm not a schvartza hater. Besides, if you want to consider me a radical, you can go right ahead. But just keep in mind that from all the friends, family, and colleagues that I'm associated with, most of them think the way I think. So from my point of view, my views and beliefs are mainstream. It's only on forums like these that my views appear radical.

A few things, just about all of us don't hate people just because they are black. If we hated someone because of their skin color, then rightfully so we would be racists.  What we hate is evil behavior.  Unfortunately, the vast majority of people who just happen to be black, follow a culture that is evil.  Therefore, when we see a black person, we assume guilty until proven innocent. It's the reputation that people who happen to have black skin follow an evil culture.

Why do some members call Obama names that are derogatory?  Because it's ok to humiliate and make fun of evil people and call them all kinds of names.  If a member here slandered a righteous black person by calling him a "shvartza", I can guarantee that 99% of people on this forum would jump his/her throat.

We are not a racist organization.  Hating evil is not racism...You have to get this through your liberal brain yours and wake up and smell the coffee.  We don't hate president because he's black. If he were white or Asian and carried on the same policies we would say the same things.

[Zelhar]

There is still a very much alive and kicking Bin Laden sitting in the white house so I don't think there is any particular reason to feel cheerful. Especially since some people like Daniel here think that the fact that OBL was liquidated is a proof that their idol [censored] in the white house is a big fighter for justice.

[TruthSpreader]

I agree with you. If only we need this when Bush was president.