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Shame on Israel : Disrespecting Sages is shameful
« on: June 27, 2011, 09:22:32 PM »
The Israeli police continue their assault on the righteous Jews of Israel. They carried out an embarassing and questionable arrest of one of Israelis leading Halachic authorities, Rabbi Dov Lior, this morning. Hundreds of righteous religious zionists turned out to protest this illegal arrest but I am discouraged that the outrage was not greater.



http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10354

Rabbi Lior's Arrest
Sivan 26, 5771, 28 June 11 12:29
by David Rubin


(Israelnationalnews.com) There has been much commotion over the arrest of Rabbi Dov Lior by the police, with many rightly referring to it as an infringement of free speech.

His crime? He endorsed a book entitled Torat Hamelech, authored by Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, which says that it is permissible to kill civilian non-Jews in certain situations during wartime.

If we are truly a democratic, free society, and a scholarly one at that, I think we need to seriously examine the issues at hand – not just the blatant curtailing of freedom of speech, which in and of itself is highly problematic - but to examine the specific content of this “controversial” work, which has so enraged some police commanders (and those who give them their marching orders).

Let us ask the seemingly forbidden question: Could it be that perhaps both the authors and the endorsers are correct in their analysis of the need for certain actions to defend freedom in wartime?

Is it possible that Israel is not the only nation with that particular need for self-preservation?

The authors were referring specifically to Israel’s defense, and therefore, they referred to “non-Jewish” civilians as a term for enemy civilians. Notable parallels can be drawn in major global conflicts for the cause of freedom, when civilians have been killed, and not accidentally.

There have been many instances throughout history in which righteous nations fought against tyranny and enemy civilians were killed in the process. The most glaring example was WWII, when the allied forces bombed the heavily populated German cities of Berlin and Dresden, knowing that many innocent civilians would be killed. Approximately 300,000 civilians were actually killed in these air raids.

Was this a crime? Was this perceived as a violation of German human rights?  Certainly not! It was understood by the Allies that this was an effective tool in an overall strategy to defeat the enemy.

And I haven't even mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki!

In a time of war, it is certainly permissible. There was not even massive dropping of leaflets as in Gaza, warning the “innocent civilians” that the American, French, Russian, or British pilots would soon be attacking, and thereby ruining the element of surprise, so vital in wartime.

It was clearly understood that in wartime, enemy civilians would be hurt, and not necessariy accidentally, thereby preserving the lives of the valiant soldiers who were fighting on the right side of this most moral battle.

We Jews need to put an end to our self-immolation, as our enemies cynically hide behind civilians, no doubt amused by our unwarranted guilt. Enemies deserve to be defeated, and defeated handily.

The “peaceful” Palestinian civilians, who elected the Hamas and Fatah terrorist organizations as their leadership, deserve no more sympathy than the German civilians of Berlin and Dresden.  In our next war, we should act accordingly.

I applaud Rabbi Lior for standing firm for the right to express his opinion about such an important national issue. Let us learn from historical precedent and be no less vigilant in defending our nation against Islamic tyranny --- and to boldly express our opinions without fear of the genie of “political correctness”.  



Also see:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145239
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Re: Shame on Israel : Disrespecting Sages is shameful
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 10:21:49 PM »
Ha'aretz in its obviously Nazi style has a headline for this story:

Israel's chief clergy decries arrest of top rabbi who called for killing gentiles

What is so obviously wrong is that the Rabbi never called for killing gentiles. He only gave his OK for a book which says that according to Torah there are halachic occasions which call for killing non-Jews.... See how Ha'aretz is evil and biased? Their bias starts in their headlines...

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-s-chief-clergy-decries-arrest-of-top-rabbi-who-called-for-killing-gentiles-1.369935
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Re: Shame on Israel : Disrespecting Sages is shameful
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 12:03:39 AM »
Although I am sad about the persecution of Rabbis by the current Israeli regime, I am happy that a Rabbi of Prominence is willing to stand up against them, as opposed to a few other occasions, where some of the other Rabbis backed down when pressured by the "Bolsheviks".

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Re: Shame on Israel : Disrespecting Sages is shameful
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 12:11:51 AM »
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Re: Shame on Israel : Disrespecting Sages is shameful
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 07:23:13 AM »
I would like to see these Bolshevik Police who handle Quranscum with velvet gloves be beheaded by good Jews
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Re: Shame on Israel : Disrespecting Sages is shameful
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 07:50:20 AM »

In Israel, today, you are free to call for the extermination of the Jewish people, you will even be applauded by certain leftist groups. But if you quote the Torah, you get arrested. And this is supposed to be a "Jewish" state...