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Glenn Beck in Israel
« on: August 23, 2011, 05:16:51 AM »

Glenn Beck's Israel tour raises eyebrows

The former Fox News host's event has triggered a debate over whether he is a true friend of Israel or just a fanatic who has been accused of anti-Semitism.

By Edmund Sanders, Los Angeles Times

From: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-israel-beck-20110823,0,6723842.story?track=rss
 
August 23, 2011
Reporting from Jerusalem— Perhaps it was only a matter of time before conservative American commentator Glenn Beck, viewed by many supporters as a modern-day prophet, brought his messianic message to Jerusalem.

But even in an ancient city that has seen its share of religious enthusiasts, Beck's high-profile Holy Land tour this week, culminating Wednesday in a rally just a stone's throw from the Western Wall and the Dome of the Rock mosque, is raising eyebrows.

Before Beck's arrival, most Israelis were unfamiliar with the former Fox News host, whose cable TV show went off the air in June amid sagging ratings. But his rally has triggered a debate over whether he should be embraced as a pro-Israel friend or condemned as a fanatic who has battled allegations of anti-Semitism.

The visit is focusing renewed attention on the growing, and some say unlikely, alliance between right-wing Israelis and Christian fundamentalists in the U.S.

Beck, who declined to be interviewed, is calling his Jerusalem rally "Restoring Courage," playing off his "Restoring Honor" event in Washington last summer. The purpose, he has said, is to demonstrate American solidarity with Israel. Hundreds of Christian supporters, many from the U.S., are expected to attend.

Beck's staunch support for Israeli control over Jerusalem and his criticism of Palestinians' ambitions to create their own state have won him praise from many conservative Israeli leaders.

"He is a friend who supports Israel, and we should work with him," said Danny Danon, an outspoken member of the Likud Party who advocates the annexation of the West Bank to Israel. "It's important for us to see that there are people out there who support us and not all the world is against us."

But critics say Beck's track record of controversial statements makes him an inappropriate ally. Last month he likened Norwegian youths gunned down at a political camp by an anti-Islamic extremist to "Hitler Youth." Twice in the last year Beck has been denounced by the Anti-Defamation League for "bigoted" and "horrific" comments on his show, one likening Reform Judaism to "radicalized Islam" and another in which he said Holocaust survivor and billionaire George Soros betrayed fellow Jews to Nazis.

Under pressure from Jewish groups in the U.S., Beck apologized for the remark about Reform Judaism.

He has several times had to fend off allegations of anti-Semitism. Last year he appeared to endorse the notion that Jews killed Jesus Christ; his list of the world's nine most "dangerous" people includes eight Jews; he speculated in 2009 "that Israel might be wiped off the map, leading to all-out Armageddon."

"If this is the only kind of friend Israel's government can find around the world, that's a very poor sign," said Yariv Oppenheimer, secretary-general of Peace Now, the Israeli anti-settlement group. "It's a reflection on our current leadership that instead of having the world on our side, we can only get someone like Glenn Beck."

Arab Israeli lawmaker Ahmed Tibi warned that Beck's tour could provoke violence, calling him "a neo-fascist comedian who is motivated by a hatred of Islam."

Beck's visit reflects the partnership between conservative Israelis and some American Christian groups. So-called Christian Zionist groups and evangelical churches, such as Texas-based John Hagee Ministries, donate millions of dollars to help fund settlement construction in the West Bank and support Israel.

The support comes, in part, from a belief among some Christian fundamentalists that Jews are God's "chosen people" and that a return of the Jewish people to the Holy Land and the rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem are signs of the second coming. Beck, who converted to the Mormon faith in 1999, frequently discussed such end-of-the-world prophecies and biblical themes on his program.

For conservative Israelis, the benefits of the alliance are more pragmatic. American evangelical groups have become a key source of tourist dollars and political and financial support, particularly as the divide has grown between American Jews, who remain predominantly liberal, and Israelis, who are shifting more toward the right.

"It's a marriage of convenience," said Hebrew University political science professor David Ricci, an expert in U.S. relations. "Over the last 10 years, fewer liberals in the U.S. are willing to be clearly identified with the Israeli government."

But Ricci and others see potential fault lines in the partnership. For starters, evangelicals are often active in missionary work, something Israelis do not tolerate.

Last week, Texas-based Daystar Television Network hosted "Israel Day," in which it broadcast live from Jerusalem. In between on-air solicitations for $1,000 pledges, the program's hosts condemned efforts to make part of East Jerusalem the capital of a new Palestinian state, and they vowed unconditional support for Israel.

Yet at the same time, the station boasted of "bringing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the land of Israel." One host said that more Jews have been converted to Christianity in the last 20 years than in the last 2,000.

Such comments don't sit well with most Israelis. Likewise, Jewish people don't fare very well in some Christian "end times" scenarios, in which Israel will be destroyed by an apocalyptic war during which Jews are either converted to Christianity or killed.

"This type of Christianity believes in the gathering of the Jews in Israel in order to bring about Armageddon," said Jeremy Ben-Ami, executive director of J Street, a U.S. lobbying group that advocates for a two-state solution. "That's not exactly good for the long-term survival and security of Israel."

Ben Ami said that the tie between conservative Israelis and fundamentalist Christians "threatens to turn this whole conflict into ground zero for a religious war, rather than a territorial war, and a religious war is much more difficult to resolve through peaceful compromise."

Danon, who agreed that American evangelical groups were becoming an important political ally for Israel, said he's not worried about the religious divide.

"When the messiah comes, we'll ask whether this is the first time or the second time," Danon joked. "In the meantime, we have a lot in common. We don't need to argue about it today."

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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 05:23:43 AM »
Rav Dov Lior  a big rabbi for the Dati leumi camp  is against it , any thoughts please?
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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2011, 06:28:34 AM »
Glenn Beck supports the outright Nazi Rich Iott and constantly praises Bolshevik Israel for giving Arab Nazis and homo beasts "equal rights". "Right-wingers"'s fanatical support for him is more pathetic than Justin Bieber fan girls
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2011, 06:38:25 AM »
Glenn Beck supports the outright Nazi Rich Iott and constantly praises the Zionist state for giving Arab Nazis and homo beasts "equal rights". "Right-wingers"'s fanatical support for him is more pathetic than Justin Bieber fan girls
Rich Iott is not an Anti Semite he has many Jewish friends and is long time supporter of Israel and Jews.Just because he does reenactments doesn't make him a Nazi  

http://swampbubbles.com/20101010/below-statement-richard-gabai-friend-rich-iott-and-his-family    






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I have known and worked closely with Rich Iott for many years.

First things first; Rich Iott is one of the most pro-Jewish, pro-Israel people I know.

We are business partners and very close personal friends. One of the first things I explained to Rich when we started working together was that I don't work on Shabbat - the Jewish Sabbath. He said, "That's great, I'm glad you take a break every week and spend quality time with your family!"

Rich has been a true friend in a business in which that is very hard to come by. He is the only Executive Producer that I have ever worked with that has wanted to re-negotiate a deal after the fact to improve the terms for me; this is unheard of. "You've worked so hard for us," he told me, "you deserve a bigger piece of the film."

Rich has been an overnight guest in our Kosher home, his wife Chris, and their children Ian and Devon, are always welcome. My wife especially enjoys visiting with Chris.

When Rich and I were at the Cannes film festival he was excited to join me at an orthodox Shabbat dinner. He had a great time speaking with the Rabbis and we all enjoyed a very festive and spiritual evening.

Anytime the subject comes up Rich is not shy about his stance on Israel and the importance of it remaining a Jewish state. I know he also traveled to Israel to train with their airborne troops.

Anyone who doubts his integrity based on the re-enacting he does, be it Civil War or either of the world wars, is making a big mistake.

Rich Iott is most honorable. I cherish his friendship, and I am proud to endorse his candidacy.

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[ME] MARCY KAPTUR THE EXTREME LEFTIST THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO RUN AGAINST WAS A REAL ANTI ISRAEL/ANTI JEWISH
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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2011, 06:47:57 AM »
Now I see. Only Hitler was a Nazi

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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 07:14:08 AM »
Now I see. Only Hitler was a Nazi
I don't think you see Rich Iott wasn't alive during ww2 and reenactments are done by Jews even.When i was about 4yrs old my Father who is as Orthodox as they come bought me toy soldiers on one side were U.S. the Other German i moved both sides around that doesn't make me a Socialist
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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 06:31:13 PM »
I believe Glen Beck is a political Trojan horse. This man has alienated American troops returning from Afghanistan by labeling them as homefront terrorist, Instead of Islamic jihadist. He is a water boy for the establishment media, promoting disinformation and propaganda. This truly is a deceptive missionary tactic to coarse young adult Israelis to christianity, which I strongly condemn. Beck promised his mainly protestant following a special spiritual experience in his raising courage rally. He mentioned Jesus, Paul, Pontis Pilate, and preaches a "new testament" agenda. This kind of event is completely against the values of the Torah and should be frowned upon.

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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 06:58:38 PM »
WHY ARE WE POSTING THIS LEFTIST PROPGANDA ON THIS FORUM???

The Los Angeles Times does NOT want to any Jews anywhere to support anyone who is right of center. 

The ultra leftist L.A. times are seeing Jews starting to doubt leftism, so they are sickened by it.  They completely ignore the true Jew-Haters such as Obama and Muslims, and instead focus on someone who threatens them much more... Right wingers.

They combed through Beck's thousands of hours of pro-Israel pro-Jew rhetoric, and the only thing they could come up with is that he said that 'Holocaust survivor and billionaire George Soros betrayed fellow Jews to Nazis.'

This is pure propoganda.  Im saddened to see it in this forum.






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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 07:09:41 PM »
I believe Glen Beck is a political Trojan horse. This man has alienated American troops returning from Afghanistan by labeling them as homefront terrorist, Instead of Islamic jihadist. He is a water boy for the establishment media, promoting disinformation and propaganda. This truly is a deceptive missionary tactic to coarse young adult Israelis to christianity, which I strongly condemn. Beck promised his mainly protestant following a special spiritual experience in his raising courage rally. He mentioned Jesus, Paul, Pontis Pilate, and preaches a "new testament" agenda. This kind of event is completely against the values of the Torah and should be frowned upon.

No... I honestly don't agree... I am sure some of the tag along groups that are riding Becks coat tails may have an agenda however I don't think Beck is in Israel for missionary reasons... Let's give the Jewish people some credit here... Jew's for the most part are not going to follow every crazy missionary group that comes along...Some people here make it sound like the Jewish people are waiting for missionaries to pluck them off like clay pigeons...  It's not possible for a faith to last for over 5000 years with a scenario like that.
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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 09:31:34 PM »
No... I honestly don't agree... I am sure some of the tag along groups that are riding Becks coat tails may have an agenda however I don't think Beck is in Israel for missionary reasons...

Do yourself a favor and research something before speaking upon it. Here is a clip where the man rants 10 minutes about his G-d. He looks to me as a sunday morning t.v. pastor playing every politically correct note for ratings. Considering that he worships Jman, saying G-d is replacement of what his heart means.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 10:54:19 PM »
I just finished watching it and didn't see anything missionary about it. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 11:33:15 PM »
Do yourself a favor and research something before speaking upon it. Here is a clip where the man rants 10 minutes about his G-d. He looks to me as a sunday morning t.v. pastor playing every politically correct note for ratings. Considering that he worships Jman, saying G-d is replacement of what his heart means.


I smell a troll here.

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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2011, 11:40:37 PM »
I smell a troll here.

me too, and usually i don't think it's a troll

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 12:33:07 AM »
Well maybe your not sensitive enough to the subversion, I mean deception is the name of the game. In mental war-ware undermining moral integrity is the first step to overthrow the established order of a society. This may not seem intellectually opposing yet psychologically our defenses are dropped.

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 01:00:02 AM »
I have mixed feelings about this whole thing. On the one hand I am overjoyed by the idea that a non-Jew would actually pick himself up and throw himself into this thorny and politically sensitive issue. It is unusual to see someone like Mr Beck who appears so sincere in his effort to turn around public opinion which has been influenced by the filter of antisemitism. I sometimes am moved to tears when I watch him and listen to his sincere voice. I have heard some accuse him of showmanship, something which many gentile preachers engage in, and he is primarily a tv personality who has a lot a charisma. I like to give him the benefit of the doubt on this and really think he wants to change the public opinion on Israel and Jews.

But on the other hand I also have some fears that his appeal to evangelical Christians and missionaries may backfire on those religious Jews who support him. I also believe that deep down he is a Christian {or mormon who believe some very peculiar things} and he basically yearns to validate the Christian messiah. While it can be argued that it does not matter what exactly Mr Beck believes but as long as his actions are favorable to the Jewish state then his Israel tour is for the good. I don't exactly believe like that though.... The thoughts of an individual, called the Kevanah {or intention}, are very important in the bigger picture. I also don't exactly believe that someone would put himself in such a position unless he had some unvoiced expectation for a reward at the end.

I am torn between these two competing view-points and I don't know where I will finally settle...
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 01:03:14 AM »
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WHY ARE WE POSTING THIS LEFTIST PROPGANDA ON THIS FORUM???

I am the original poster.  Was I wrong to post this article here?  I found the article very interesting and I thought that it would be a great topic for discussion here.  But more than that, I was/am very much interested to see what everyone here has to say about this article.  This is because I can't figure out if I should be happy about Glenn Beck's support for Israel and all the good things that he's said about Israel.  I can be naive at times, there's no doubt about it.  However, when someone with so many followers is a huge supporter of Israel, then I can't help but take notice.  

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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2011, 01:07:42 AM »
I am the original poster.  Was I wrong to post this article here?  I found the article very interesting and I thought that it would be a great topic for discussion here.  But more than that, I was/am very much interested to see what everyone here has to say about this article.  This is because I can't figure out if I should be happy about Glenn Beck's support for Israel and all the good things that he's said about Israel.  I can be naive at times, there's no doubt about it.  However, when someone with so many followers is a huge supporter of Israel, then I can't help but take notice.  

I dont think he was referring to the entire thread, I suspect it was that one video posted by the new member...

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2011, 01:21:56 AM »
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I dont think he was referring to the entire thread, I suspect it was that one video posted by the new member...
Oh, okay... thanks. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2011, 04:55:07 PM »
David Dome quote- Streets buzzing and shops full..fantastic. I guess the Xian influence and their missionising is irrelevant . They shout out "we are Israeli!" to show solidarity with the Jewish people . Maybe we will careless about Yashka being accepted by the young as long as the artists fair is full and the coffee houses are surging.   I don't want the likes of GlennBeck and his entourage doing anything there except learning to become a Noahide and rejecting idolatry...THAT IS THINKING POSITIVE

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2011, 11:13:57 PM »
" Glenn Beck’s in Caesarea: Restoring Courage


Prof. Paul Eidelberg


May the good Lord watch over Glenn Beck. May his few Jewish detractors understand that this courageous and sagacious personality repeatedly sanctified God’s Name during his speech in Caesarea—which is far, far more than anyone can say of Israeli Prime Ministers who seem to choke on the word God!


Mr. Beck is perhaps the most eloquent defender of Israel and the Jewish people. Would to God that Israel had a Jewish voice with Mr. Beck’s heartfelt concern for the lives of the many unprotected Jews of this country. Allow me some caustic questions about the government of this country.


What government in the world would tolerate for so long the bombing of its citizens by Arab missiles? What government on this planet would pursue a policy of self-restraint and turning the other cheek vis-à-vis the murderers of its women and children? What government would anaesthetize its people with the drivel about "measured responses" to Arab attacks on its territory and sovereignty? What government would tolerate a Defense Minister that wants to apologize for his soldiers’ lawfully defensive actions against hostile forces invading its territorial waters? What self-respecting government would be so self-effacing about evil?


Mr. Beck emphasized the theme of evil in his speech on "Restoring Courage." He knows that evil men attack and butcher Jewish women and children. But for our own part, must we not admit that Israel’s government has been appeasing and therefore encouraging evil since it signed the Olso Accords?


Mr. Beck rightly declared that Israel is the most courageous nation on earth. Look how the people of this country have withstood thousands of terrorist attacks and yet did not succumb to self-pity or victimology—indeed, went on prosper like no other nation on earth! But can such fortitude and virtue be attributed to Israeli governments which, despite Israel’s formidable military forces, have yielded Jewish land to Arab thugs?


Mr. Beck said that courage includes the courage to tell the truth. Do Israeli governments tell the truth about Israel’s enemies—about the implacable nature of their religious creed, whose bellicosity has tortured much of mankind for more than a thousand years?


Mr.  Beck also spoke about honor. Do Israeli government display honor in negotiating with Jew-hating, despotic regimes whose maps exclude Israel from the Middle East?


Did Israel’s government uphold the honor of the Jewish people when it expunged the words “Judaism,” “Zionism,” and “Eretz Israel” from its Soldiers Code of Ethics—with the approval of its Chief of General Staff, now Israel’s Defense Minister?


Mr. Beck’s magnificent performance in Caesarea was monitored in Philadelphia by the Israel-America Renaissance Institute. I was given a few minutes to speak to the people monitoring the Caesarea event. I said that, given the power, I would nominate Mr. Beck to be President of the United States, and we would not have to worry about his birth certificate. Alternatively, I would nominate him to be Prime Minister of Israel, even though he’s not Jewish, for the Jewish state of Israel has no religious qualifications for office!


This is quite consistent with Israel’s Soldiers Code of Ethics! By the way: Israeli soldiers might almost feel at home serving in the Swedish army, since the government of Sweden has renounced the Swedish heritage and has officially designated Sweden a multicultural society. Welcome to the Jewish state of Israel!


Mr. Beck is a proud American. He takes special pride in the American Declaration of Independence, whose ideas are rooted in the Hebrew Bible. The Declaration proclaims man’s unalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.  But to his sublime credit, Mr. Beck went a step further. He repeatedly emphasized, in contrast to human "rights," the concept of "responsibilities" — say duties — a concept that permeates the Torah, which highlights our duties to God as well as to our fellow men.


No wonder Mr. Beck has been denounced by Muslims, for Islamic scriptures reject not only human rights, but also the concept of "personal responsibility"—a concept foreign to Islamic theology, which denies free will and posits the fatalism of absolute predestination.


So, while Mr. Beck is persona non grata in the Muslim Arab world, he is a warm and wise friend of Israel and the Jewish people. Indeed, he is a breath of fresh air in a country whose ruling elites, having expunged the word "Judaism" from the Soldiers Code of Ethics, are silent about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and say nothing about Moses, mankind’s greatest law-giver and statesman.


May this not be the reason for the dearth of leadership in Israel, but therefore of political courage? "

 

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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 12:02:56 AM »
" Glenn Beck’s in Caesarea: Restoring Courage


Prof. Paul Eidelberg


May the good Lord watch over Glenn Beck. May his few Jewish detractors understand that this courageous and sagacious personality repeatedly sanctified G-d’s Name during his speech in Caesarea—which is far, far more than anyone can say of Israeli Prime Ministers who seem to choke on the word G-d!


Mr. Beck is perhaps the most eloquent defender of Israel and the Jewish people. Would to G-d that Israel had a Jewish voice with Mr. Beck’s heartfelt concern for the lives of the many unprotected Jews of this country. Allow me some caustic questions about the government of this country.


What government in the world would tolerate for so long the bombing of its citizens by Arab missiles? What government on this planet would pursue a policy of self-restraint and turning the other cheek vis-à-vis the murderers of its women and children? What government would anaesthetize its people with the drivel about "measured responses" to Arab attacks on its territory and sovereignty? What government would tolerate a Defense Minister that wants to apologize for his soldiers’ lawfully defensive actions against hostile forces invading its territorial waters? What self-respecting government would be so self-effacing about evil?


Mr. Beck emphasized the theme of evil in his speech on "Restoring Courage." He knows that evil men attack and butcher Jewish women and children. But for our own part, must we not admit that Israel’s government has been appeasing and therefore encouraging evil since it signed the Olso Accords?


Mr. Beck rightly declared that Israel is the most courageous nation on earth. Look how the people of this country have withstood thousands of terrorist attacks and yet did not succumb to self-pity or victimology—indeed, went on prosper like no other nation on earth! But can such fortitude and virtue be attributed to Israeli governments which, despite Israel’s formidable military forces, have yielded Jewish land to Arab thugs?


Mr. Beck said that courage includes the courage to tell the truth. Do Israeli governments tell the truth about Israel’s enemies—about the implacable nature of their religious creed, whose bellicosity has tortured much of mankind for more than a thousand years?


Mr.  Beck also spoke about honor. Do Israeli government display honor in negotiating with Jew-hating, despotic regimes whose maps exclude Israel from the Middle East?


Did Israel’s government uphold the honor of the Jewish people when it expunged the words “Judaism,” “Zionism,” and “Eretz Israel” from its Soldiers Code of Ethics—with the approval of its Chief of General Staff, now Israel’s Defense Minister?


Mr. Beck’s magnificent performance in Caesarea was monitored in Philadelphia by the Israel-America Renaissance Institute. I was given a few minutes to speak to the people monitoring the Caesarea event. I said that, given the power, I would nominate Mr. Beck to be President of the United States, and we would not have to worry about his birth certificate. Alternatively, I would nominate him to be Prime Minister of Israel, even though he’s not Jewish, for the Jewish state of Israel has no religious qualifications for office!


This is quite consistent with Israel’s Soldiers Code of Ethics! By the way: Israeli soldiers might almost feel at home serving in the Swedish army, since the government of Sweden has renounced the Swedish heritage and has officially designated Sweden a multicultural society. Welcome to the Jewish state of Israel!


Mr. Beck is a proud American. He takes special pride in the American Declaration of Independence, whose ideas are rooted in the Hebrew Bible. The Declaration proclaims man’s unalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.  But to his sublime credit, Mr. Beck went a step further. He repeatedly emphasized, in contrast to human "rights," the concept of "responsibilities" — say duties — a concept that permeates the Torah, which highlights our duties to G-d as well as to our fellow men.


No wonder Mr. Beck has been denounced by Muslims, for Islamic scriptures reject not only human rights, but also the concept of "personal responsibility"—a concept foreign to Islamic theology, which denies free will and posits the fatalism of absolute predestination.


So, while Mr. Beck is persona non grata in the Muslim Arab world, he is a warm and wise friend of Israel and the Jewish people. Indeed, he is a breath of fresh air in a country whose ruling elites, having expunged the word "Judaism" from the Soldiers Code of Ethics, are silent about the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and say nothing about Moses, mankind’s greatest law-giver and statesman.


May this not be the reason for the dearth of leadership in Israel, but therefore of political courage? "

 



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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 12:07:43 AM »
Well maybe your not sensitive enough to the subversion, I mean deception is the name of the game. In mental war-ware undermining moral integrity is the first step to overthrow the established order of a society. This may not seem intellectually opposing yet psychologically our defenses are dropped.

I don't think you're sensitive enough to the OBVIOUS.  There is nothing missionary about this film.  People have the right to peacefully disagree.  Glenn Beck is not out to convert anyone, except maybe pagans, and that's just a guess.   There are many Jews who are far too active in destroying us, the Jewish people.  That they lay waste to others in the process isn't even an afterthought.  IN the process of slitting their throats, they will only be too happy to slit yours and mine first.  Christian anti-Semites, of which there are plenty, abound in their own nasty category.  This man is neither; he is heroic, standing up for a people who have few allies in an unfriendly world that seems to care less and less about Jewish blood spent.

Yariv Oppenheimer, Anat Kam, Judith Butler (this hideous animal supports Hamas and Hezbollah), George Soros (this swine waxes nostalgically about his days as a master enabler of thievery with respect to his fellow Jews' estates in Germany!), Jewish voice for 'peace,'  Mondoweiss, that abominal slut for Jihad, Kapo [censored], and on and on.  This doesn't begin to include the would be enablers of a Third Reich mindset in our ouwn country: Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and his SS contributers, Cynthia McKinney, CAIR, etc
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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2011, 12:16:01 AM »
I don't think you're sensitive enough to the OBVIOUS.  There is nothing missionary about this film.  People have the right to peacefully disagree.  Glenn Beck is not out to convert anyone, except maybe pagans, and that's just a guess.   There are many Jews who are far too active in destroying us, the Jewish people.  That they lay waste to others in the process isn't even an afterthought.  IN the process of slitting their throats, they will only be too happy to slit yours and mine first.  Christian anti-Semites, of which there are plenty, abound in their own nasty category.  This man is neither; he is heroic, standing up for a people who have few allies in an unfriendly world that seems to care less and less about Jewish blood spent.

Yariv Oppenheimer, Anat Kam, Judith Butler (this hideous animal supports Hamas and Hezbollah), George Soros (this swine waxes nostalgically about his days as a master enabler of thievery with respect to his fellow Jews' estates in Germany!), Jewish voice for 'peace,'  Mondoweiss, that abominal slut for Jihad, Kapo [censored], and on and on  

I watched it as well, and completely agree.  By the way, I have watched hundred of hours of Beck and have never felt like he was missionizing and he was extremely carefull to be polite to Jews in general.

Again, this L.A. times article claiming he is an antisemite is complete left-wing propoganda.  Everything he said that was 'anti-semetic' was very similar to what Chaim says.  This reminds me of the hit-piece the left did on Rush Limbaugh. 

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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2011, 12:31:40 AM »
I think Beck did a good job but I still feel that we really need a Jew who gets the stage and lights up the audience. It is all well and good that Mr Beck, who seems to have no intention of converting to Judaism, supports Israel. But the Jewish people are the ones who are supposed to be a light to the nations and when a non-Jew stands up and tells Jews what they should do in order to fulfill Hashems wishes it is really a chillul Hashem in my opinion. It is much easier for Mr Beck to speak the way he does because he doesn't have the 2000 years of oppression and prejudice which affects the actions of a real Jew. It is harder for a Jew to speak like this because of his fear of being pummelled by the gentile nations. Does Beck have 'skin' in the game?

What motivated him to do this? I sincerely believe it comes from his Christian faith. And if that is his intention I find it hard to accept. If he turns Israelis toward the Jewish religion then it is a good thing. But if he lures the Israeli youth to pursue gods which our forefathers did not know then what he did is a very big sin in the eyes of Hashem.

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Beck awarded prizes for Faith, Hope and Charity respectively to the Fogel family, the Arab and Jewish owners of Maxime's restaurant in Haifa that was the site of a suicide bomb, and philanthropic supermarket chain owner Rami Levi, showing a moving film about each of the recipients.
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Re: Glenn Beck in Israel
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2011, 12:37:02 AM »
I think Beck did a good job but I still feel that we really need a Jew who gets the stage and lights up the audience. It is all well and good that Mr Beck, who seems to have no intention of converting to Judaism, supports Israel. But the Jewish people are the ones who are supposed to be a light to the nations and when a non-Jew stands up and tells Jews what they should do in order to fulfill Hashems wishes it is really a chillul Hashem in my opinion. It is much easier for Mr Beck to speak the way he does because he doesn't have the 2000 years of oppression and prejudice which affects the actions of a real Jew. It is harder for a Jew to speak like this because of his fear of being pummelled by the gentile nations. Does Beck have 'skin' in the game?

What motivated him to do this? I sincerely believe it comes from his Christian faith. And as that is his intention I find it hard to accept. If he turns Israelis toward the Jewish religion then it is a good thing. But if he lures the Israeli youth to pursue gods which our forefathers did not know then what he did is a very big sin in the eyes of Hashem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith,_Hope_and_Charity

Muman,

You have to remember that there are a tiny minority of people of all faiths that do for the good of others.  I am not saying Glenn Beck is cut from the cloth of those who clothed, fed, and nurtured Anne Frank and her family, but there is every reason to give him the benefit of the doubt. There is no reason, so far, to attack him viciously and with impunity ( I am not talking about you or anyone on this forum)