The Greeks knew thousands of yrs before Islam of the arabs proclivity to lie

[mord]

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September 28, 2011
Arabs Lie. It’s Part of Their Culture.

by Bill Levinson

The Greeks were apparently well acquainted with the Arabs more than two thousand years ago, as shown by Aesop’s Fables. (This does not apply to Americans of Arab ethnicity, who have integrated into a superior culture in which lying is unacceptable.)

    Hermes filled a cart with lies and dishonesty and all sorts of wicked tricks, and he journeyed in this cart throughout the land, going hither and thither from one tribe to another, dispensing to each nation a small portion of his wares. When he reached the land of the Arabs, so the story goes, his cart suddenly broke down along the way and was stuck there. The Arabs seized the contents of the cart as if it were a merchant’s valuable cargo, stripping the cart bare and preventing Hermes from continuing on his journey, although there were still some people he had not yet visited. As a result, Arabs are liars and charlatans, as I myself have learned from experience. There is not a word of truth that springs from their lips.

Little has changed since then, as shown by Mahmoud Abbas’ application for Palestinian statehood.

    Another Abbas aide, Mohammed Ishtayey, said the letter will state: “Palestine is a peace-loving state and has contributed to human civilization, that it has succeeded in building state institutions.”

This statement contains at least two lies in a single sentence: specifically that Palestine is a peace-loving state and also that it has contributed to human civilization. The Palestinians have contributed nothing to humanity but a long litany of mindless violence and broken truces.

This is not surprising because lying is apparently an accepted part of Arab culture.

    Palestinians have no compunction about telling lies and see truth as irrelevant, the former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak has claimed in an interview.

    “They are products of a culture in which to tell a lie… creates no dissonance,” Mr Barak says. “They don’t suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judaeo-Christian culture.”

The Palestinians’ long trail of broken truces–and a truce is a sacred promise among civilized nations–underscores the fact that their sworn word means absolutely nothing and that they are simply not to be trusted. Palestinians have always lied, and they probably always will:

[TheCoon]

Lying to and tricking non-muslims is seen as a virtue in their culture, so they do it as much as possible. I suspect when Mohammad founded islam he did so to validate many of the insane and evil arab customs and beliefs of the day. This is why many arabs still behave like desert brigands.

[muman613]

But the ancient Greeks were evil perverted animals... Remember the story of Channukah?

Also, should we believe non- Jewish sources? There was much antisemitic writing by the ancient Romans...

[Rubystars]

This does not apply to Americans of Arab ethnicity, who have integrated into a superior culture in which lying is unacceptable.

I don't agree with this part of the article.

However the rest of it is good.

I've heard that a lot of different cultures consider Americans to be kind of slow and gullible because when somebody says something we're pre-disposed to believe it.

[Meerkat]

But the ancient Greeks were evil perverted animals... Remember the story of Channukah?

Also, should we believe non- Jewish sources? There was much antisemitic writing by the ancient Romans...

Ancient Greece lasted quite some time,  was it really exceptionally  antisemitic from start to finish?

[muman613]

Ancient Greece lasted quite some time,  was it really exceptionally  antisemitic from start to finish?

Well, what I know I learned from studying the history of the Chanukah story...

The Greeks had a good relationship initially with the Jews in Eretz Yisroel but after Alexander died they started to mistreat the religious Jews. Of course there were the Hellenist Jews who embraced much of the Greek culture including the vulgar habits of immodesty and gluttony amongst others. Eventually the Greeks outlawed the Torah and teaching it and prohibited the Brit Milah/Circumcision and punished all those who kept Jewish customs with death.

I do not know exactly what the non-Jewish sources say about this Hasmonean uprising against the mighty greek army...

It is also Jewish belief that Greece was one of the four Exiles.

See this Aish.com page for some of the Jewish beliefs:

http://www.aish.com/h/c/t/dt/48951116.html

Greece: The Dark Side
by Rabbi Shimon Apisdorf
Comparing the Greek exile to the darkness at the beginning of creation.

“No other two races have set such a mark upon the world. Each of them from angles so different have left us with the inheritance of its genius and wisdom. No two cities have counted more with mankind than Athens and Jerusalem. Personally, I have always been on the side of both.” - Sir Winston Churchill

In the Chanukah story, the Jewish people put up no resistance when Alexander the Great's troops arrived. But they were quick to resist the enlightening cultural forces that the Greeks brought with them.

Why? After all, the Jews were a people who revered education, literacy and deep thinking. In this regard the Greeks should have been their soul mates -- another enlightened people in an otherwise darkened world.

PHILOSOPHICAL CLASH

Yet for all its beauty, Greek society was morally abhorrent to the Jewish world view.

In Greek society it was common for parents to kill newborn infants. Babies in Greece were routinely murdered by leaving them outside in a clay jar to die from exposure and starvation. The reasons parents would kill their children:

* Too many mouths to feed
* Too many heirs for a father to divide his estate amongst
*Sickness and deformity (in a society that revered the beautiful form of the human body)

Right behind infanticide on the list of what we today consider deviant behavior was pederasty. (Today we call it child molestation.)

"In most Greek communities the women were kept at home, and men spent their days with other men or boys. Artists paid special attention to the nude masculine form; and pederasty abounded. It was far more favored than homosexual relations between men and youths of the same age, and indeed a whole philosophy was built up around the pederastic situation, founded on the concept that the lover was the beloved's educator and military trainer." - “The Founders of the Western World: A History of Greece and Rome,” by Michael Grant

In Greece, the highest and purest form of love was something Jews considered to be the most heinous of crimes!

The Jewish people have always placed the utmost value on human life, and considered the relationship between a husband and a wife to be holy. That's why when the Greek culture came, the Jews said: “No!”

THE GREEK EXILE

Jewish historians label the period during which the events of Chanukah occurred as the "Greek exile." In the literal sense, however, no exile ever took place -- not one Jew was banished from the Land of Israel! Why then, do we refer to this period of history as exile?

The Midrash explains by comparing the Greek exile to the darkness at the beginning of creation. The first two lines of Genesis read: "In the beginning... the earth was empty... and darkness was upon the face of the deep." G-d's exclamation "Let there be Light" (Genesis 1:3) then banished the darkness. That was Day One.

But what exactly is this "Light" the Torah refers to? It cannot be referring to the physical light we're accustomed to; the sun and moon did not come into existence until Day Four!

This first "Light" must be understood as a reference to raw spiritual energy. The Greek exile is therefore seen as comparable to a universe lacking all spirituality -- a time of spiritual darkness immediately before the light of G-d is released into the world. Indeed, the 25th word of the Torah is Ohr -- "light" -- a reference to the 25th day of Kislev, when Chanukah begins!

Chanukah pushes away the Greek darkness.

http://www.nishmat.net/article.php?id=438&heading=0

Shabbat Chanukah-Miketz 5767: Torah and Culture

Rabbi Zvi Leshem (Blobstein)

With its stories the holy Torah guides us in the straight path to know and serve haShem.(1) With the sale of Yosef to Egypt the stage is set for the first of the four exiles, and during Chanukah we relive the third, Greek exile and the miraculous deliverance from it. Yosef is active in Egyptian culture and politics, yet he always remembers to thank haShem for his good fortunes, and longs for Eretz Yisrael. Despite the tremendous power he achieved in Egypt, at the end of his life, when he requests that his bones be re-interred in Israel he dismissively refers to Egypt as zeh, this place, disdaining to even mention the name Mitzraim.(2)

The Pachad Yitzchak reminds us of the seemingly incongruous fact that the Greek Exile in fact took place while the Jewish People were living in Eretz Yisrael! While part of the definition of this exile is no doubt the fact that we were living under foreign domination and political control, there is no doubt that another primary component was the cultural genocide that we experienced as the Greeks prohibited Rosh Chodesh, Brit Mila, and Shabbat, thus attempting to repress our faith, holiness and light.(3) The miracle of the oil symbolizes the influx of divine light that came with the religious-cultural revolution of the Macabees as they fought not only the Greek soldiers, but also the darkness of Greek culture and wisdom. For even those who see in Greek philosophy a high level of human intellectual achievement hasten to point out its inferiority to the divine intellect as revealed in Torah, Chazal and Kabalah.(4)