Author Topic: What I Hate About Mormons (Read 6686 times)

Rubystars · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2011, 07:57:38 PM »

Quote from: angryChineseKahanist on October 19, 2011, 07:56:37 PM

I want to become a mormon so I can become a G-d and rule over a planet of my own and have endless sex with too many women.
That was a very nice bedtime story. I'll be sure to show it to my 4yo son.

Kind of reminds me of how Muslims think they'll have endless sex with multiple women in eternity.

Yirmayahu · « **Reply #26 on:** October 19, 2011, 11:26:33 PM »

I discovered how Brigham Young got his name. Seems that they had been in Utah for about twenty years and the women started to age and look haggard

. So he sent a letter to New York (where the Mormons started) asking those coming west to Utah to, "Bring em Young" in regard to the women that they were to travel with them.

Rubystars · « **Reply #27 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:32:36 AM »

Quote from: Yirmayahu on October 19, 2011, 11:26:33 PM

I discovered how Brigham Young got his name. Seems that they had been in Utah for about twenty years and the women started to age and look haggard . So he sent a letter to New York (where the Mormons started) asking those coming west to Utah to, "Bring em Young" in regard to the women that they were to travel with them.

Good joke

edu · « **Reply #28 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:30:50 PM »

One of the fundamental principles of Judaism is that G-d does not have a body.
I fail to understand, why the Mormons are being singled out over other Christian sects. Both violate this fundamental principle.
If you are trying to tell me that Mormonism is another Reason Not to Vote for Romney instead of a normal Christian candidate I disagree. If we don't have the option of someone who believes in the 7 laws of Noah, it makes no difference to us, if the candidate is a Baptist, Mormon or Catholic. What matters is his stand on the issues that are vital to us and to what extent we believe the candidate can be trusted.
And on the issue of Anne Frank, their Mumbo Jumbo words, have no halachic impact on her status and do not affect her relationship with G-d at all. Of course, if the Mormons ask me, if I approve of what they are doing, I will obviously tell them I do not.
In any case, I am more upset with the fundamentalists, who are saying Anne Frank is burning in Hell for not believing in Jeersus, than I am with fools that think she is in Heaven, because they said their Mumbo Jumbo.

briann · « **Reply #29 on:** October 20, 2011, 02:52:20 PM »

Quote from: edu on October 20, 2011, 02:30:50 PM

One of the fundamental principles of Judaism is that G-d does not have a body.
I fail to understand, why the Mormons are being singled out over other Christian sects. Both violate this fundamental principle.
If you are trying to tell me that Mormonism is another Reason Not to Vote for Romney instead of a normal Christian candidate I disagree. If we don't have the option of someone who believes in the 7 laws of Noah, it makes no difference to us, if the candidate is a Baptist, Mormon or Catholic. What matters is his stand on the issues that are vital to us and to what extent we believe the candidate can be trusted.
And on the issue of Anne Frank, their Mumbo Jumbo words, have no halachic impact on her status and do not affect her relationship with G-d at all. Of course, if the Mormons ask me, if I approve of what they are doing, I will obviously tell them I do not.
In any case, I am more upset with the fundamentalists, who are saying Anne Frank is burning in Hell for not believing in Jeersus, than I am with fools that think she is in Heaven, because they said their Mumbo Jumbo.

I kinda agree with you here. Yes, the Anne Frank thing is kooky, but how is it worse than the those who says I will burn in Hell for not believing exactly what they believe in?

Also, the only 'Jewish' issues I care about when it comes to POLITICS are moral values and Israel. If a Hindu candidate who supports Israel and family values (along with being anti-Illegal and anti-welfare) comes along, I will support them over a Jew who has little support of Israel and is for open borders, etc.

With a politician, its their issues that I care about.

Also, the 'Jeersus' term... is that a typo or some sorta slander? If so, I think you are offending many of our great members by using such a term... if its just a typo, than nevermind what I said.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #30 on:** October 20, 2011, 03:13:09 PM »

I agree that the Mormon religion is ridiculous. It professes to be part of Christianity but in actuality is completely different. it is a form of polytheism that teaches that men get to be gods in charge of their own planet of humans (which they populate by sex) if they are good enough Mormons. However, Mormon missionaries lie to Christians and others, claiming that they are Christians, so that they can convert them. It's almost like a form of taqqiyah. It's most comparable to deceptive Messianics who tell Jews that they are "Orthodox".

However, on an individual level, many Mormons are upstanding people in every way.

muman613 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 20, 2011, 03:57:04 PM »

A religious Jew is not supposed to state the name of an avodah zarah which is worshipped... This is why we don't type the j-mans name... I have explained this many times...

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #32 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:08:46 PM »

Quote from: briann on October 20, 2011, 02:52:20 PM

I kinda agree with you here. Yes, the Anne Frank thing is kooky, but how is it worse than the those who says I will burn in Hell for not believing exactly what they believe in?

Also, the only 'Jewish' issues I care about when it comes to POLITICS are moral values and Israel. If a Hindu candidate who supports Israel and family values (along with being anti-Illegal and anti-welfare) comes along, I will support them over a Jew who has little support of Israel and is for open borders, etc.

With a politician, its their issues that I care about.

Also, the 'Jeersus' term... is that a typo or some sorta slander? If so, I think you are offending many of our great members by using such a term... if its just a typo, than nevermind what I said.

That's because despite their great and vast understanding, many people have somehow never heard of the name Yeshu.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #33 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:10:17 PM »

Quote from: edu on October 20, 2011, 02:30:50 PM

One of the fundamental principles of Judaism is that G-d does not have a body.
I fail to understand, why the Mormons are being singled out over other Christian sects. Both violate this fundamental principle.
If you are trying to tell me that Mormonism is another Reason Not to Vote for Romney instead of a normal Christian candidate I disagree. If we don't have the option of someone who believes in the 7 laws of Noah, it makes no difference to us, if the candidate is a Baptist, Mormon or Catholic. What matters is his stand on the issues that are vital to us and to what extent we believe the candidate can be trusted.
And on the issue of Anne Frank, their Mumbo Jumbo words, have no halachic impact on her status and do not affect her relationship with G-d at all. Of course, if the Mormons ask me, if I approve of what they are doing, I will obviously tell them I do not.
In any case, I am more upset with the fundamentalists, who are saying Anne Frank is burning in Hell for not believing in Jeersus, than I am with fools that think she is in Heaven, because they said their Mumbo Jumbo.

Have you paid attention to any of this discussion or are you just venting here?

muman613 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:16:41 PM »

Quote from: YimachShemoToJohnsonBrown on October 20, 2011, 04:10:17 PM

Have you paid attention to any of this discussion or are you just venting here?

I think that it is a valid point that edu makes. From a theological standpoint there is very little difference {from a Jewish perspective}.

muman613 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:33:31 PM »

And I would like to state once again that I have nothing against individual Mormons. I still have a good friendship with a man who is a mormon and we get along fine because he doesn't try to tell me about his beliefs {while I do tell him about Jewish beliefs}. But I don't know very many people who are mormons and don't want to know too much about them...

What motivated me to post this post was the NYT article which discussed the 'baptism' of Anne Frank... That really pushed a button for me..

briann · « **Reply #36 on:** October 20, 2011, 04:36:14 PM »

Quote from: muman613 on October 20, 2011, 04:33:31 PM

And I would like to state once again that I have nothing against individual Mormons. I still have a good friendship with a man who is a mormon and we get along fine because he doesn't try to tell me about his beliefs {while I do tell him about Jewish beliefs}. But I don't know very many people who are mormons and don't want to know too much about them...

What motivated me to post this post was the NYT article which discussed the 'baptism' of Anne Frank... That really pushed a button for me..

I'm curious, when was this article published?

Rubystars · « **Reply #37 on:** October 20, 2011, 05:04:23 PM »

Quote from: edu on October 20, 2011, 02:30:50 PM

One of the fundamental principles of Judaism is that G-d does not have a body.
I fail to understand, why the Mormons are being singled out over other Christian sects.

They're not Christian! Muslims believe in a form of Jesus too, but that doesn't make them Christians. Just because a religion acknowledges Jesus in some way doesn't make it a Christian sect. I've even met new age pagan type people who acknowledge some form of Jesus as being a spiritual teacher like Buddha and Mohammed but that doesn't make them Christian either. Mormons think that Jesus is Satan's brother for goodness sakes. Does that sound Christian to you?

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Both violate this fundamental principle.

I wasn't arguing whether they were compatible with Judaism or not. Clearly the only religions compatible with Judaism would be either Judaism or Noahidism. I fail to see your point.

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If you are trying to tell me that Mormonism is another Reason Not to Vote for Romney instead of a normal Christian candidate I disagree. If we don't have the option of someone who believes in the 7 laws of Noah, it makes no difference to us, if the candidate is a Baptist, Mormon or Catholic. What matters is his stand on the issues that are vital to us and to what extent we believe the candidate can be trusted.

I have trouble trusting a kook who thinks he's going to become a G-d of his own planet. It makes me wonder why he would want to be president at all, honestly.

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And on the issue of Anne Frank, their Mumbo Jumbo words, have no halachic impact on her status and do not affect her relationship with G-d at all. Of course, if the Mormons ask me, if I approve of what they are doing, I will obviously tell them I do not.
In any case, I am more upset with the fundamentalists, who are saying Anne Frank is burning in Hell for not believing in Jeersus, than I am with fools that think she is in Heaven, because they said their Mumbo Jumbo.

Wouldn't it be important to know that the future president of the USA might see Jews in a completely different way than previous presidents would and might therefore see Israel in a completely different way?

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #38 on:** October 20, 2011, 05:13:05 PM »

Rubystars gives excellent responses. For the record I don't actually think that Romney would seek to turn the United States into a Mormon empire but I don't see why Mormonism should be above scrutiny or how it is somehow better than "Catholics or Baptists". Mormonism today might be a peaceful and law-abiding religion but Joseph Smith and Brigham Young themselves preached holy war and mass murder in the name of building a Mormon state. If that isn't Muslim-like I don't know what is. Joseph Smith was nothing more or less than an American Mohammed (ys).

It's also like Islam in that it is deceptive--it lies about what it is and its true intentions. How do we feel when Messianics lie to Jews about being Orthodox Jews and the like, after all? That same crap is core to Mormon theology in their missionizing efforts.

muman613 · « **Reply #39 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:08:50 PM »

Quote from: briann on October 20, 2011, 04:36:14 PM

I'm curious, when was this article published?

Yesterday...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/19/opinion/dowd-anne-frank-a-mormon.html

muman613 · « **Reply #40 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:12:01 PM »

Rubystars,

According to this wiki entry it appears that mormonism is supposed to be pro-Israel...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Judaism

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Mormons and the State of Israel

Mormons, generally but not exclusively, are largely pro-Israel. Mormons, as well as many Jews, are also in favor of peaceful coexistence between Jews and non-Jewish (Muslim and/or Christian) Arabs in the Holy Land. The LDS people consider non-Jewish Arabs to be children of Abraham.

The LDS church has two congregations in Israel. These are the Galilee Branch in Tiberias and the Jerusalem Branch in Jerusalem. Latter-day Saints in Israel hold their worship services on Saturday, Jewish Sabbath.[8]

Mormons do not proselytize in the area and the members are discouraged from proselytizing. There are legal restrictions in Israel concerning this issue.[9]

Descendants of Israelites who can verify a claim to that descent (genetically or religiously, including in some cases relatives of Jews who are not themselves Jewish) are allowed by the Israeli government to immigrate to Israel under the Law of Return. Mormon theological claims of descent are not considered a sufficient basis for immigration under the Law of Return.

Brigham Young University has a study center in Jerusalem that is active in research and cultural activities (e.g. classical music concerts). Its creation was initially protested by Haredi Jewish groups which claimed, despite Mormon reassurances, that it would be a center of proselytizeing activities - but these soon died down. Brigham Young University was allowed to open an extension in Jerusalem only after promising the mayor that no proselytizing would take place and that all students would be foreigners.[10] The courses at the center, attracting students from BYU and other institutions of higher learning in the US who wanted to do credit coursework in Israel, were previously temporarily suspended due to the security situation.[11]

They are most certainly wrong that arabs have any claim to the Holy Land. The Torah clearly identifies Yitzak with the inheritance of Abraham as Ishmael was cast out of Abrahams house and was excluded from inheriting the land...

Rubystars · « **Reply #41 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:17:04 PM »

Muman, the paragraphs you quoted really don't help their case at all.

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Mormons, generally but not exclusively, are largely pro-Israel.

Obama also claims to be pro-Israel.

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Mormons, as well as many Jews, are also in favor of peaceful coexistence between Jews and non-Jewish (Muslim and/or Christian) Arabs in the Holy Land. The LDS people consider non-Jewish Arabs to be children of Abraham.

You don't see the problem in this Muman? The "peaceful coexistence" between Jews and Arabs in the holy land means that they are basically in favor of the peace process. The 'peace process' as we all know is Israeli suicide.

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The LDS church has two congregations in Israel. These are the Galilee Branch in Tiberias and the Jerusalem Branch in Jerusalem. Latter-day Saints in Israel hold their worship services on Saturday, Jewish Sabbath.[8]

Mormons do not proselytize in the area and the members are discouraged from proselytizing. There are legal restrictions in Israel concerning this issue.[9]

If there was no restriction legally, they would.

muman613 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:18:37 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on October 20, 2011, 06:17:04 PM

Muman, the paragraphs you quoted really don't help their case at all.

Obama also claims to be pro-Israel.

You don't see the problem in this Muman? The "peaceful coexistence" between Jews and Arabs in the holy land means that they are basically in favor of the peace process. The 'peace process' as we all know is Israeli suicide.

If there was no restriction legally, they would.

Yes, I said in my post-script that the arabs have NO CLAIM to the land of Israel... The Peace process is a farce... At least Glenn Beck is aware of that...

Rubystars · « **Reply #43 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:20:18 PM »

Quote from: muman613 on October 20, 2011, 06:18:37 PM

Yes, I said in my post-script that the arabs have NO CLAIM to the land of Israel... The Peace process is a farce... At least Glenn Beck is aware of that...

Glenn Beck has a lot more in common with us politically than Romney does though, to be fair to Glenn Beck. I think he's pro-Israel in spite of his religion rather than because of it though.

Dr. Dan · « **Reply #44 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:32:22 PM »

Quote from: YimachShemoToJohnsonBrown on October 20, 2011, 05:13:05 PM

Rubystars gives excellent responses. For the record I don't actually think that Romney would seek to turn the United States into a Mormon empire but I don't see why Mormonism should be above scrutiny or how it is somehow better than "Catholics or Baptists". Mormonism today might be a peaceful and law-abiding religion but Joseph Smith and Brigham Young themselves preached holy war and mass murder in the name of building a Mormon state. If that isn't Muslim-like I don't know what is. Joseph Smith was nothing more or less than an American Mohammed (ys).

It's also like Islam in that it is deceptive--it lies about what it is and its true intentions. How do we feel when Messianics lie to Jews about being Orthodox Jews and the like, after all? That same crap is core to Mormon theology in their missionizing efforts.

The tragedy of all this is that people put Romney under the microscope but give Obama the green light with his "church". And his"church" read honest about their hatred of whites and Jews

Rubystars · « **Reply #45 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:38:22 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Dan on October 20, 2011, 06:32:22 PM

The tragedy of all this is that people put Romney under the microscope but give Obama the green light with his "church". And his"church" read honest about their hatred of whites and Jews

We're all against Obama here as far as I know and I think most of us will support whatever Republican candidate is chosen to oppose Obama, but in the primary season it makes sense to put each candidate under the microscope.

cjd · « **Reply #46 on:** October 20, 2011, 06:46:54 PM »

The entire baptizing the dead thing sounds crazy even form a Mormons standpoint... What validity would something like that have... Not to get into an entire thing over it however baptizing someone posthumously is really pointless... More so if the person had no connection the the religion when they were living... Whatever soul there was departed for its appointed destination at the time of death and was not waiting to be baptized by Mormons or anyone else... The Mormons would have better results baptizing the old oak tree in their back yard...

Rubystars · « **Reply #47 on:** October 20, 2011, 07:05:53 PM »

Quote from: cjd on October 20, 2011, 06:46:54 PM

The Mormons would have better results baptizing the old oak tree in their back yard...

Oh my gosh CJD don't give them ideas!

cjd · « **Reply #48 on:** October 20, 2011, 07:14:15 PM »

Quote from: Rubystars on October 20, 2011, 06:38:22 PM

We're all against Obama here as far as I know and I think most of us will support whatever Republican candidate is chosen to oppose Obama, but in the primary season it makes sense to put each candidate under the microscope.

All the debates they have been having are very good... It allows people to see the full slate of candidates... I only hope that the debates are not turning off the crossover vote... As we speak my feet are planted in the Romney camp... After years of following political issues something tells me that Romney might be just whats needed at this point in time... I really could not care less that he is a Mormon I don't think it will be an issue as far as him being president goes... I could support Cain as a VP but he has made a few gaffs that tell me he is not ready to take on the entire ball of wax... Cain may have had a shot in the general elections if he were not running against another black man and was better versed on world issues... Our sitting president also being black will have the freedom to call him every Uncle Tom and house [censored] under the sun and the vast majority of democraps will agree with him...He will have the freedom to be quite relentless in his attacks against Cain... The fact that Cain is weak on foreign affairs is a very big problem in todays world.

Rubystars · « **Reply #49 on:** October 20, 2011, 07:21:36 PM »

Quote from: cjd on October 20, 2011, 07:14:15 PM

All the debates they have been having are very good... It allows people to see the full slate of candidates... I only hope that the debates are not turning off the crossover vote... As we speak my feet are planted in the Romney camp... After years of following political issues something tells me that Romney might be just whats needed at this point in time... I really could not care less that he is a Mormon I don't think it will be an issue as far as him being president goes... I could support Cain as a VP but he has made a few gaffs that tell me he is not ready to take on the entire ball of wax... Cain may have had a shot in the general elections if he were not running against another black man and was better versed on world issues... Our sitting president also being black will have the freedom to call him every Uncle Tom and house schvartza under the sun and the vast majority of democraps will agree with him...He will have the freedom to be quite relentless in his attacks against Cain... The fact that Cain is weak on foreign affairs is a very big problem in todays world.

I don't like Romney or Cain. I do care about the Mormon issue because it's a big problem for me if that crazy cult gets more popular due to having a Mormon president, plus I think someone has to be at least a little bit loony to follow it. However I agree that Cain simply seems to not be ready to run for President.

One thing that people haven't brought up is that it's very possible if not probable that Cain has some serious skeletons in his closet which haven't come out yet. Coming from the community he does it wouldn't surprise me at all if there wasn't some horrific October surprise next year about him. That and his absolutely shameful lack of knowledge on foreign issues will really doom him I think to lose, plus what you mentioned about Obama being completely free to attack him as an uncle Tom.

Romney I think has a chance of winning, but I don't like that he's almost as liberal as Obama and seemed to be in support of government health care.