Shas animals plunge Israel in to premature nightfall again

[wonga66]

Once again Eli Yishai and the animals of the Sefard Shas party plunge the whole of Israel in to premature gloom http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israel-has-the-shortest-summer-in-the-world-1.387994 by bringing in sunset already at 4 in the afternoon, ostensibly to prevent their decrepit mentor Ovadiya "Kessef" "Yussuf" Yosef from having to endure the 'ardour' of having to fast an extra hour on Yom Kippur!

[Zelhar]

This is listed as problem 789,314 on my notebook. A reminder for you, Wonga- no matter how you set the clock, you get the same amount of daylight hours.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

This is one of the stupidest things to accuse Shas of. True their are many bad things but to attack them on this is a non-sense issue. The fast is ~25 (really close to 26) hours. It doesn't matter if you supposedly start it earlier or later its still the same "Time" technically just the interpretation is different (What is called hour 5 or hour 4). And Rabbi Ovadia Yosef doesn't work, has his own Minyanim. Soo its not a problem for him to go to sleep earlier or later as he pleases (you can say its the exact same thing). I don't even know if he even looks at the time (or clock) at all (I'm serious)

[cjd]

This is listed as problem 789,314 on my notebook. A reminder for you, Wonga- no matter how you set the clock, you get the same amount of daylight hours.

I seem to remember this discussion here on the forum a few times before... What can we do the winter months bring shorter days... Here in New York they extended daylight savings time a few weeks but in actuality it really makes little difference... As Zelhar says there are only so many hours of daylight anyway.

[wonga66]

If you had sunset already at 4pm in October and even September, and nightfall at 5pm like in Israel, you'd also be miffed at the lopping off of a precious hour of daylight. As Chaim says: "The Shas party is unbelievably evil!".

Despite their kippot, these Shas fake Sefards are more Arab (mistaravim) than Jew!

One of the few enlightened ones is Rabbi Amsalem who opposes winter time so soon

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Despite their kippot, these Shas fake Sefards are more Arab (mistaravim) than Jew!

 Actually no. We want them to behave a little more like Arabs which they don't. "Behave like Arab" I mean in the sense of killing their enemies etc. If it were Arabs they would be killing the arabs whom they are fighting (or who are fighting them).

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

If you had sunset already at 4pm in October and even September, and nightfall at 5pm like in Israel, you'd also be miffed at the lopping off of a precious hour of daylight. As Chaim says: "The Shas party is unbelievably evil!".

Despite their kippot, these Shas fake Sefards are more Arab (mistaravim) than Jew!

One of the few enlightened ones is Rabbi Amsalem who opposes winter time so soon

He's against a lot of Shas's stupid opinions, but I do not know his opinion on "Land for Peace (sic)"   Being that he strikes me as a big lib, I highly doubt he's against that one, but if he is, great.    Have any idea?

[Daniel Michael ben Avraham]

Shas is primarily a Mizrachi group.  Sephardi has been generically used for years to also describe the Mizrachi Jews because their prayers were influenced by the Sefardim; however, actual Sefardim trace their ancestry to Spain and Portugal and not Iran and Iraq.  The philosophies of the two groups are vastly different.  Just an FYI.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Don't you have some posts to make about marrying twelve-year-old girls, Nonny?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Shas is primarily a Mizrachi group.  Sephardi has been generically used for years to also describe the Mizrachi Jews because their prayers were influenced by the Sefardim; however, actual Sefardim trace their ancestry to Spain and Portugal and not Iran and Iraq.  The philosophies of the two groups are vastly different.  Just an FYI.

 Actually I think many of them are Sefardim (especially Moroccans). Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is "Mizrachi" (in that sense) although his sources is really Sefardi (introducing Shulhan Aruh and actually arguing against Ben Ish Chai- who was also Mizrachi (Also from Erawq)

[Daniel Michael ben Avraham]

If you are talking about who uses what sources then all of the Jewish world uses Sephardic sources e.g. Rambam, Ramban, etc.  What Rav Ovadia Yosef's sources are or are not do not prove anything.  I did not say there would be no Sephardim in Shas, but the leadership is Mizrachi through and through and thus reflects that background at its core.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

If you are talking about who uses what sources then all of the Jewish world uses Sephardic sources e.g. Rambam, Ramban, etc.  What Rav Ovadia Yosef's sources are or are not do not prove anything.  I did not say there would be no Sephardim in Shas, but the leadership is Mizrachi through and through and thus reflects that background at its core.

 Again what does that exactly mean? "Leadership is Mizrachi". Don't know the "leaders" but from what i hear the people voting are from different places including many Moroccans and others (Moroccans clearly being Sefardim and not Mizrachim). Anyway Sefardi-Mizrchi lines are very blurred and i don't know what is the point in this talk anyhow.
 Many of these people once voted for Kach now vote for them (that I also heard).

 

"is Mizrachi through and through and thus reflects that background at its core."

   Have to disagree. I don't see  "Mizrachi" Jews any different then "Sefardim" in many attitudes and ways.  Culturally basically the same. Slight differences with Persian Jews maybe (who are maybe considered  more educated) but Eraqi vs. Moroccan Vs. Teimani vs. Tunesian vs. etc. etc. etc. are very similar (Maybe Bukharians are also a little different then the rest in that also were influence by Russian/Uzbeki culture- but generally are very "right-wing")

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

If you are talking about who uses what sources then all of the Jewish world uses Sephardic sources e.g. Rambam, Ramban, etc.  What Rav Ovadia Yosef's sources are or are not do not prove anything.  I did not say there would be no Sephardim in Shas, but the leadership is Mizrachi through and through and thus reflects that background at its core.

Doesn't really reflect mizrahi background though because all the mizrahi "man on the street" that I know hate arabs and would not surrender to them.  Shas party adopted ashkenazi culture of neutered emasculated western-style/euro socialist libs!  They do not really represent their voters but over the years have tried to mold them into their own artificial image.   SAD but true.

[Daniel Michael ben Avraham]

My family is Spanish and Portuguese Sefardi and although I respect Rav Yosef for his halachic genius we share little with them culturally or politically.  The European Sephardim are very different.  We have a very long memory and I obviously do not agree in the least with the political cronyism and corruption that has become part of Shas.

There are Sefardi leaders in Israel that deserve and have earned our support.  Dr. Michael Ben-Ari is just such a leader.  Sephardim have not forgotten Rav Kahane and that for which Kach stood in spite of the rubbish you see going on with Shas.  I would not be surprised if Israel soon saw an influx of S&P Jews from the Netherlands.  Things have gotten so bad there with the quaranimals that they have actually been encouraged to leave for their own safety.  I hope they go to Israel instead of N.Y., Philadelphia , London, or Gibraltar.  It is about time we follow Ramban's example and make Aliyah.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Do you wonder, what could they possibly be joking around about?   I do.