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In Jerusalem, women are voiceless at a decidedly womanly event ????
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 12, 2012, 01:42:06 AM ---You guys are incapable of having a constructive discussion without attempting to be destructive against someone who doesn't share your views. I have given several good sources and explained the reasoning for my opinion.
You both have only attempted to attack my character... This is your style..
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Your sources were not good for the points you were trying to make. Which is why I attacked your reasoning, not you.
Chai:
Yea but its taken out of context. However if you have a real sexual addiction problem these "suggestions at best" may help you as in individual not as a community. It reflects poorly on the males self control within it. Its very insulting to males as well. Men are not animals, we were made in the image of G-d.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 12, 2012, 01:40:46 AM ---Here is a lenient view of Kol Ish from Torah.org.... KWRBT will find this definition to his liking:
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Find it to my liking? How so?
--- Quote ---But I also found something to support my position that a man should not listen to a woman speaking...
http://www.tzemachdovid.org/thepracticaltorah/vayeira.shtml
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Actually, this goes against you. See here
--- Quote ---because the statement of the Gemara in Berachos (Ibid.) refers to a case when a man wishes to listen to a woman speak specifically for the sake of deriving pleasure from hearing her voice; only then is it improper to listen to her voice. But simply to hear a woman speak, without any intent to derive pleasure from her voice, was never forbidden.
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Chai:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 12, 2012, 01:45:23 AM ---Find it to my liking? How so?
Actually, this goes against you. See here [/b]
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Yea I saw this too I don't get it.
I mean I get it but I don't see why people that do not share my views come up with these things.
muman613:
--- Quote from: Kahane-Was-Right BT on January 12, 2012, 01:42:22 AM ---None of the sages disregarded Shmuel HaNavi's statement, and yet none of them derived a prohibition that you now claim to be deriving from his statement. Doesn't that strike you as odd?
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You did not read that there are Rishonim who have forbidden listening to a womans speaking voice... But that is Ok... What else is new..
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