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In Jerusalem, women are voiceless at a decidedly womanly event ????
muman613:
--- Quote from: Zelhar on January 11, 2012, 02:38:43 PM ---Kol Isha is about woman singing. No one says women aren't allowed to speak in public. Even the conference itself allows for women from the audience to ask question the male speaker on the podium.
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Technically it is a womans voice which may be considered alluring. In general it refers to singing but the basic idea concerns the voice specifically.
I do not keep this command as well as I should although I do not often listen to women singing...
I do agree that concerning womens health there should be forums for women doctors to speak. I don't know about this conference but some more thought needs to take place to explain why they have no women speakers.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
Lol this is ridiculous. Another media slander and framejob.
Puah has conferences all the time and women professionals speak at them. There is one yearly conference given to a haredi crowd (its to a man and woman audience covering male and female health topics and halacha) and out of sensitivity to the audience, they have only male speakers so that more people will attend. Many haredim would not go to a woman's presentation because of MODESTY issues, not because they think women can't be experts or some other feminist lie. I am not one of those people who would not attend but I understand those who would not. Obviously Puah wants to have the biggest possible audience and make sure men are informed without modesty issues preventing them from learning about important issues.
This is a secular attack on haredim.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 11, 2012, 02:24:34 PM ---How does one get around Kol Isha even in a medical conference? This is a tough call...
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KOL ISHA? NO ONE SINGS AT MEDICAL CONFERENCES! Kol isha has nothing to do with this.
Kahane-Was-Right BT:
--- Quote from: muman613 on January 11, 2012, 03:45:52 PM ---Technically it is a womans voice which may be considered alluring. In general it refers to singing but the basic idea concerns the voice specifically.
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The halacha kol isha deals with women singing. Please do not make up new laws.
muman613:
As I stated above the Halacha was determined from Shmuels statement:
"Shemuel said: The voice of a woman is nakedness ( kol b'isha `erva) as it says (Song of Songs 2:14) 'for your voice is sweet and your countenance comely.'" (Berachot 24a)
What is the meaning of the word Kol? Is it not 'voice'? Is not the word for Singing Shirah?
I don't want to argue because I know the law concerns singing but also listening to a woman who is not your wife has been frowned on by the sages. See Pirkei Avot...
http://www.shechem.org/torah/avot.html
--- Quote ---Pirkei Avot Chapter 1 Mishna 5
5. Yosi ben Yochanan of Jerusalem said: Let your house be wide open and let the poor be members of thy household; and do not talk much with women. This was said about one's own wife; how much more so about the wife of one's neighbor. Therefore the sages have said: He who talks too much with women brings evil upon himself and neglects the study of the Torah and will in the end inherit Gehenna.
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For commentary see : http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-5b.html
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For all of the above reasons, Judaism has always placed paramount importance on the separation of the sexes, in such areas as synagogue service, schooling and general social interaction. This does not stem from a sense of inequality between men and women, and certainly not from any kind of notion that sex and marriage are in any way "sinful". To the contrary, G-d says, "It is not proper for Adam to live alone" (i.e., unmarried) (Genesis 2:18), and the Torah sets this as a precedent for all future generations: "Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife" (2:24).
Rather, knowing the unique quality of the husband-wife relationship, the Rabbis took every precaution that such potential for good and beauty not be compromised. The more we spread ourselves out -- the more we enjoy interaction and good chemistry with other members of the opposite sex -- the less special and unique our relationship will be with our spouses. Thus, our mishna exhorts us: Do not become overly light and frivolous, not with your own wife and certainly not with another man's. We are quite literally dealing with fire: with human passions and with the most delicate and precious of human emotions. And only with the most caring and sensitive nurturing can man and woman, in spite of -- or perhaps because of -- their differences, merge into a sacred and sanctified whole.
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