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Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« on: January 18, 2012, 04:48:50 PM »
by Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim

http://www.mesora.org/JewishMysticism.html

If you were given proof that mysticism is non existent, and merely a belief like the false beliefs of other religions and cultures, would you accept the proof? The intelligent answer is "Yes." G-d designed mankind with intellect and a primary function of intelligence is to distinguish truth from falsehood. When we are presented with 100% proof for anything, we know that all opposing views must be false. We recognize proof alone as the sole determinant of what is real. And without proof, we have no basis to accept anything, and certainly not to base our lives on mere beliefs. If, however, we do accept beliefs without proof, we must realize we may be fooling ourselves.

As Maimonides teaches, we must accept as true only that which we perceive with any of our five senses. We also accept as true what our minds tells us must be so. For example, if we see a building, we know there were once construction workers executing the plans of an architect. We need not witness the plans being drawn or the crew constructing the building. And lastly, we accept as true that which is contained in the Torah, since Revelation at Sinai is incontrovertible, and Torah's leaders who remain true to the verses are reliable. Other than these three criteria, Maimonides teaches we must not accept something as true. Maimonides' teaching is quite reasonable, since he follows G-d's design of the human being. G-d gave us senses and reasoning, and no other faculty for determining truths. This is because these faculties 'alone' are to be used in our acceptance of truths.

The Torah has no cases of mysticism. When in need, the Jews approached Moses and asked for food and water or they fought for salvation from their enemies. Never did they assume they could obtain their needs through unproven methods, what we refer to as "mysticism." We define mysticism as belief without proof. None of the Prophets accepted mysticism. When hunted by his twin Esav, Jacob prepared for battle, he prepared a bribe, and he prayed. But he did not resort to imagined beliefs in powers or amulets. Even though his life and the lives of his family were at risk, he followed a plan based on reality. He could use either might, bribe his brother's heart, or G-d could assist. There were no other options for Jacob. This story is recorded for good reason. When Rachel asked Jacob to give her children, he became angry for G-d's honor and said, "Am I in G-d's place?" And the Prophets throughout the books of Prophets constantly accuse the Jews of their mystical beliefs.

Therefore, as mystical forces or beings were never witnessed, and we are in fact admonished against such beliefs, as they are incomprehensible, and as the Torah is bereft of such notions
the belief in mysticism has no basis in reality and violates Torah.

It is notable that proponents of mysticism do not live their lives based on such beliefs. They work to earn a living, as they realize money does not grow on trees, nor are there forces that make man prosperous.

So why do so many Jews accept mysticism?

One reason is desperation. When things go bad, a person's emotions are excited, and he or she will latch onto anything offering hope. But we must not take any lesson from people in such distorted states of mind. Writings are also extant in old books authored by Jews and even Rabbis that speak of mysticism. Jews feel what is in print, or authored by a "Rabbi" automatically renders the notion as a truth. But in any of these cases, if the idea was questioned on its own merit, it would be shown to be unsubstantiated, and even heretical. And other Jews accept mysticism simply because it has become popular in religious circles. They are afraid to disagree with the masses. Preservation of their social approval blinds them to the truth. One reader quoted the following from a book on Kabbala:



"Sefiros are filters or garments for Hashem's light.  Partzufim (Abba, Ema, Zeer, etc.) have faces and beards (Dikna), they have sexual relations, they get pregnant, and are brother and sister." 

"There seems to be a fine line between Judaism and idolatry...why is praying to G-d through these Names (Sefiros-Partzufim) not only permitted but is an essential part of the Kabbalistic system...".



The reader who is intelligent then asked,

"How can these 'Partzufim' not be considered some type of polytheism?"



The reader is correct. Such notions are heretical, as they attribute physical qualities to G-d. It makes no difference that these notions are found in Kabbala, or authored by a famous Rabbi. These notions contain two grave errors:  1) equating G-d with creation; 2) assuming knowledge about G-d. Two Torah verses teach otherwise: “Man cannot know Me while alive (Exod. 33:20)” told to Moses. G-d also told Isaiah, “To what can you equate Me, and I will be similar? (Isaiah 40:25).” In both cases, G-d teaches that man cannot know G-d, nor is anything equivalent to G-d, in any manner. Therefore, the Kabbalistic writings quoted above deny G-d’s own words to Isaiah that He is not similar to anything, and His words to Moses, that He cannot be known. As we know the Torah is true, the Kabbalistic notions are false.



The intelligent person will dismiss mystical beliefs when it comes to his or her Judaism, just as one dismisses such beliefs when to comes to practical matters of earning a living. Regarding the latter, we rely on real considerations to assure us that we obtain a steady job from a reliable and trustworthy employer. We do not select a job based on horoscopes or astrology.

The point is, that just as we recognize reason and proofs to be the only considerations regarding practical matters, we must approach religious life identically. If we do not, then we live a lie, and not as G-d designed us. Remember, G-d gave us five senses and intelligence. This is because He desires us to live in line with what is perceivable and reasonable. Clearly, the Creator does not wish man to accept that which is baseless or imagined. Otherwise, these faculties would be of no use.

It is vital that you examine G-d's creation of the human being and take a lesson for determining your beliefs. Surely, G-d's specific design of man is for a reason. And if we ignore the lesson of our design, we in fact deny G-d to that degree.



As I have done time and again over the years, I once again urge teachers and Rabbis to include required classes on Jewish philosophy in your curriculum. The only method to correct the trend towards mysticism is to offer students our Prophets' and Rabbis' words on the truth of Jewish ideas. Please contact me and I will provide source material to assist you.
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2012, 04:51:55 PM »
If one accepts the Talmud as the Oral law there are plenty of examples of mysticism in the Torah.

Mysticism does not deny that Hashem is the ONE G-d because all power is derived by him. I don't quite understand how there is a contradiction.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2012, 05:05:32 PM »
The Torah certainly refers to Hashem by multiple names. To deny this indicates that one has never read the Torah.

How about :

Elokim:
Yud-Kay-Vav-Kay
Hashem (Master)
Shadai (Who said stop)
Rachaman (Mercy)
Chesed (Kindness)
Arech-Apayim (Long Suffering)
Emet (Truth)

I mentioned some of the 13 attributes of Hashem. We consider all of Hashems names to be just the aspect of Hashem which we interact with.

Obviously nobody prays to a name of Hashem... I know that people have always had a problem understanding how names are used by man..

http://www.vbm-torah.org/roshandyk/13-eb.htm

Belief in the Sod (the hidden meaning) does not negate the Pshat.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 05:11:12 PM by muman613 »
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And I turned to see wisdom and madness and folly, for what is the man who will come after the king, concerning that which they have already done?And I saw that wisdom has an advantage over folly, as the advantage of light over darkness.The wise man has eyes in its beginning, but the fool goes in the darkness, and I too know that one event happens to them all. (Kohelet 2:12-14)

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2012, 01:49:17 AM »
Dan Ben Noah quoted Rabbi Moshe Ben Chaim:
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These notions contain two grave errors:  1) equating G-d with creation; 2) assuming knowledge about G-d. Two Torah verses teach otherwise: “Man cannot know Me while alive (Exod. 33:20)” told to Moses. G-d also told Isaiah, “To what can you equate Me, and I will be similar? (Isaiah 40:25).”
I agree with point 1. Some high profile interpretations of the Kabbala (but not all) incorrectly go against classic Jewisht thought and equate G-d with creation.
Point #2 that you raised needs some further refining.
The literal translation of Exodus 33:20 is: And he said you will not be able to see my face for a man shall not see me and live. Your understanding of the verse is certainly a reasonable one, but I am not sure it is the only one.
Perhaps an alternate source that there is a limitation of how much we can fully understand G-d is in Yishayahu/Isaiah 55 verses 8 and 9. And also the last few chapters of the book of Iyov/Job seem to echo this theme.
But at the same time in Yirmiyahu/Jeremiah 9:23 the verse indicates there is a certain level of Knowledge about  G-d that a person can indeed obtain.
As far as certain Kabbalistic ideas that you quoted Dan, although they definitely can be abused and interpeted in a way that is contrary to Judaism, however, there is a Torah mitzva to judge, the righteous for the benefit of the doubt and the ideas you quoted are interpreted by some followers of Kabbala as symbols for vaious Jewish ideals and not in a literal sense.
And there is a precedent for this in the Tanach itself, where the Tanach for example, talks about
the "eyes of G-d" to portray a symbolic idea, even though in truth G-d does not have a body.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2012, 02:47:14 AM »
My point is that the article is discussing 'mysticism' and not what is called Kabbalah. What exactly is mysticism? It means to me that there exist things in the world which we cannot perceive, the spiritual world, which exists apart from the physical one. The Torah contains many, many hints of the spiritual world.

The Torah expressly discusses Angels such as during the very creation when Hashem says "Shall We Create Man?" and the sages say that Hashem is addressing his Elokim, his angels which according to Midrash argued whether man should be created. This is not Kabbalah, this is simple Midrash and these stories are brought by the Sages in the Talmud. We have the stories of Abraham being visited by angels and the assorted midrashim which explain that the angels, who ordinarily do no eat, pretended to eat in order to allow Abraham to serve them their tongue sandwiches {which he slaughtered three cows for three tonguess}. If this is not mysticism what is?

Many of our Giant Patriarchs had experiences with Angels as in the case of Jacob who dreamed of the Angels going up and coming down the ladder, and later his encounter with the Angel of Essau with whom he wrestled. The sages are clear that this was a heavenly angel who actually had to leave in the morning to sing praises to Hashem.

The Torah, the Talmud, and the Prophets all hint at Moshiach but the Chumash never explicitly talk about Moshiach. Yet it is fundamental belief of Judaism that Hashem will send a redeemer of the Jewish people. This is learned through studying the various interpretations.

Even Rambam considered Resurrection of the Dead to be one of the Thirteen Basic Principles of Judaism even though the Torah nor the Tanach ever explicitly mention this. Is the Resurrection of the Dead mystical or is it something rational?

The system of PaRDeS or Pshat (Simple meaning) Remez (Hints), Drash (Moral/Philosophical), and Sod (Hidden/Secret) is used by all who learn Torah to understand the various messages contained in the Torah.

While I agree that Kabbalah can be misunderstood it is still considered a source for wisdom. I believe Kabbalah can help cement concepts in our brains once we have learned the Chumash, Tanakh, and Talmud.


See also:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/558595/jewish/Who-was-Gd-addressing-when-saying-Let-US-create-man.htm

http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/41/Q1/

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=164:what-is-the-meaning-of-G-d-said-qlet-us-make-man-in-our-image-&catid=49:trinity&Itemid=501

http://torah.org/learning/perceptions/5768/netzavim.html
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These are, of course, the four levels of Torah referred to as “Pardes,” a word which means “orchard,” but which also stands for the four levels of Torah learning: Pshat, Remez, Drush, and Sod, literally: Simple, Hint, Exegesis, and Secret, or Mikrah, Mishnah, Talmud, and Kabbalah.

There are four levels [of Torah understanding] and the pneumonic is Pardes: Pshat, Remez, Drush, and Sod. A person needs to toil in all of them to the extent that he can, and seek out a teacher to teach them to him. If a person lacks one of these four levels relative to what he could have achieved then he will have to reincarnate. (Sha’ar HaGilgulim, Ch. 11)

They are the four levels on which a single Torah concept can be understood, and as one probes from level to level, he also moves from a lower level of consciousness to a higher one:

The rabbis taught: Four entered Pardes: Ben Azzai, Ben Zoma, Acher, and Rebi Akiva. Rebi Akiva told them, “When you arrive at the Stones of Pure Marble, don’t say, ‘Water, water,’ because it says, ‘He who speaks falsehood will not be established before My eyes’ (Tehillim 101:7).” Ben Azzai gazed at the Divine Presence and died, and with respect to him it says, “Difficult in the eyes of G-d is the death of His pious ones” (Tehillim 116:15). Ben Zoma gazed and went mad — to him the following verse may be applied: “Have you found honey? Eat as much as is sufficient for you, so that you do not consume too much and have to vomit” (Mishlei 25:16). Acher “cut off his plantings” (i.e., he became a heretic). Rebi Akiva entered in peace and departed in peace. (Chagigah 14b)


See also:
http://rabbibuchwald.njop.org/2006/10/16/bereishith-5767-2006/
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While invoking the various interpretations of “Pardes” addresses many of the major textual issues, we are still left with another unresolved question. If the sun and moon were not created until the fourth day, how could the Torah state in Genesis 1:3: “Va’yomer Eh’lo’him, ye’hee ohr v’ye’hee ohr,” And G-d said, let there be light, and there was light. What light was this, surely not the sunlight with which we are familiar? Here the rabbis invoke the element of “sohd“–mysticism, suggesting that the light that was created on the first day of creation was a “spiritual” light rather than a “physical” light, and that on the first day of creation the world was flooded with spiritual light. This spiritual light was taken away when the human being sinned and defied G-d in the Garden of Eden. Hidden away in the World to Come for safekeeping, it remains there until the end of days when the human souls will once again bask in this spiritual light.
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2012, 12:44:21 PM »
Muman613 is correct that there are many different names for G-d in the Tanakh and there is a strong ideological reason for each one of them, denoting a different type of interreaction with the world.
This week's parsha Vaera even stresses this point Shmot/Exodus 6:2 where G-d stresses that his interreaction with the Patriarchs was with one particular name of G-d and not the name primarily used with Moshe/Moses.

As a side issue, commentaries are bothered by the fact that we do sometimes find the name "Yud-Kay-Vav-Kay" (the name primarily with Moshe)
used sometimes when G-d is communicating to the Patriarchs, so why does Shmot/Exodus 6:2 at first glance imply that it was not used by them?

There are answers to the question, but I will leave it for others for the time being to deal with.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2012, 12:57:14 PM »
As I stated above:
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As far as certain Kabbalistic ideas that you quoted Dan, although they definitely can be abused and interpeted in a way that is contrary to Judaism, however, there is a Torah mitzva to judge, the righteous for the benefit of the doubt and the ideas you quoted are interpreted by some followers of Kabbala as symbols for various Jewish ideals and not in a literal sense.
Indeed our most prominent authority in Judaism on the laws of how to avoid slander and gossip, who is nicknamed the Chafetz Chaim, wrote in another one of his well-received books, the Mishna Brura, that although Zohar and Kabbalah are not on the level of standard halachic sources, when there is a conflict between Halacha and Kabbala, however, Zohar and Kabbala are legitimate sources to learn from and sometimes we can even apply ideas from the Zohar to our day to day religious observance. This is not an exact quote, rather it is a summary of his view.
Chafetz Chaim has clearly has found a way to interpret, some astonishing statements in the Zohar and Kabbalah, which is usually associated with mysticism, in a harmless way.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2012, 03:07:15 PM »
The Torah explicitly says that Hashem originally intended to take the Jews from Egypt by means of an Angel but he actually brought us out with his own 'hand'.

Parasha Ki Tisa

1. The Lord spoke to Moses: "Go, ascend from here, you and the people you have brought up from the land of Egypt, to the land that I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, saying: 'I will give it to your descendants.'
2. I will send an angel before you, and I will drive out the Canaanites, the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites


http://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading.asp?AID=15567&p=complete

My point is that the Torah is full of mystical {non-rational} ideas. The whole concept of Chokim are based on the fact that the law does not have a rational reason.
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2012, 03:58:52 PM »
Muman, I would not consider referring G-d by different names such as HaShem vs. Hashem as a form of mysticism.  I think what Rabbi Moshe Ben-Chaim is getting at is that there are certain mekubalim that view kabbalistic ideas like the 10 sfirot as separate emanations of G-d and I've heard that some even concentrate on praying through certain sfirot or partzufim, similar to the Christian Trinity.  However, I have not knowingly visited a congregation where this was taking place.  This rabbi discusses other specific mystical doctrines on his site such as tzimtzum and gilgul.

Edu, I think this rabbi would probably agree with some of what you're saying about a symbolic interpretation of certain ideas.  He is a follower of Shulchan Aruch, and if I'm not mistaking Rabbi Yosef Karo had some kabbalistic influence.  (Although I can't point to the places in the Shulchan Aruch where this influence shows up.)  The only group I know of that rejects the Zohar outright is some of the Yemenite Rambamist groups, such as followers of Rabbi Yichiya Kapach (or however you spell his name), which I find to be an interesting group.
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2012, 08:22:12 PM »

Edu, I think this rabbi would probably agree with some of what you're saying about a symbolic interpretation of certain ideas.  He is a follower of Shulchan Aruch, and if I'm not mistaking Rabbi Yosef Karo had some kabbalistic influence.  (Although I can't point to the places in the Shulchan Aruch where this influence shows up.)

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2012, 09:08:40 PM »
Tefillin on hol hamoed, Blessing of the moon.

Arutz Sheva just today talks about Kiddush Levana {Sanctifying the Moon}.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11137
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 09:30:22 PM »
Well the Mishneh Torah also has laws on blessing the moon so blessing the moon itself can't directly be connected to mysticism.  Maybe they are worded differently.  What is the mystical connection in Shulchan Aruch to kidush halavana?

Here is Mishneh Torah, Book of Love, Laws of Blessings, chapter 10:

Halacha 16
A person who sees a rainbow should recite the blessing:

Blessed are You, G-d, our Lord, King of the universe, who remembers the covenant, is faithful to His covenant, and maintains His word.

When a person sees the moon after it is renewed, he should recite the blessing:

Blessed are You, G-d, our Lord, King of the universe, who created the heavens with His word and all their hosts with the breath of His mouth. He granted them a fixed law and schedule so that they should not alter their tasks. They rejoice and are glad to carry out the will of their Creator. They are faithful servants whose work is righteous. And He instructed the moon to renew itself as a crown of glory to those who are borne [by Him] from the womb, who are destined to be similarly renewed and to glorify their Creator for the name of the glory of His kingdom and for all He has created. Blessed are You, G-d, who renews the months.

Halacha 17
This blessing should be recited while standing, for whoever recites the blessing on the new moon at its appropriate time is considered as if he greeted the Divine Presence.

If a person did not recite the blessing on the first night, he may recite the blessing until the sixteenth of the month, until the moon becomes full.
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2012, 12:44:25 AM »
What really bothers me is when people think you are praying to the moon... That is insane...

I think what Tag Machir meant was that there is wisdom which states:

"Whoever pronounces the benediction of the new moon in its due time welcomes, as it were, the presence of the Shechina. (Sanhedrin 42a; Sofrim 20:1)

The Shechina is the 'feminine' presence of Hashem. Of course we know that Hashem has no physicality, thus it is a spiritual presence.



http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380026/jewish/The-Phases-of-the-Moon.htm
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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2012, 01:08:35 AM »
I think what Tag-MahirTzedek is referring to is not the idea of thanking G-d for the moon itself.
That already appears in classical sources.
However, Rabbi Kosman once told me, that there is a dispute in Rabbinical sources when is the ideal time to say the blessing during the lunar month.
Rabbi Yosef Karo author of Shulchan Aruch, adds the view of Kabbalistic sources to take one side in the already existing argument of the Rabbis, to prefer pushing off the blessing until the 7th or 8th of the lunar month.
Since I don't follow Rabbi Yosef Karo on this point, I don't recall if it is the 7th or 8th.
The same thing also goes regarding the question of putting on Tefillin during Chol Hamoed.
There exists a debate among, non-kabbalistic sources if one does or does not put on Tefillin during Chol Hamoed.
Rabbi Yosef Karo adds the view of the Zohar to tip the balance in favor of the no Tefillin on Chol Hamoed viewpoint.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 02:16:25 AM »
The following is an english Youtube lecture of historian and Rabbi, Berel Wein
who proves that Chatam Sofer (or Chasam Sofer depending on your accent)
viewed the majority of the Zohar as a forgery.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2012, 02:27:12 AM »
Interesting that he believes this.... I have done a search, because I remember hearing or reading something he wrote where he mentioned the Zohar. I read a lot of Rabbis at Torah.org and most of the Rabbis there will always bring a quote from the Zohar to bring out a point. Torah.org publishes some of Rabbi Berel Weins articles but either he doesn't give sources or the sources he gives doesn't seem to include Zohar.

https://www.google.com/search?sitesearch=torah.org&q=wein+zohar&cmd.x=0&cmd.y=0&cmd=Go#q=wein+zohar+site:torah.org&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=7xYZT6jYB4KoiALtt5m5CA&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=bb4169f1315a16c6&biw=1217&bih=903
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And I turned to see wisdom and madness and folly, for what is the man who will come after the king, concerning that which they have already done?And I saw that wisdom has an advantage over folly, as the advantage of light over darkness.The wise man has eyes in its beginning, but the fool goes in the darkness, and I too know that one event happens to them all. (Kohelet 2:12-14)

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 04:20:40 AM »
Here is another interesting lecture on Kabbala that I found on the Yeshiva University Web site
Controversies in Early Kabbalah: On the Writing of the First Kabbalistic Texts 
Speaker:
 Dr. Jonathan Dauber
Given On:
 Sunday April 25, 2010
http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/744393/Dr_Jonathan_Dauber/Controversies_in_Early_Kabbalah:_On_the_Writing_of_the_First_Kabbalistic_Texts
This lecture deals mainly with pre-zohar Kabbala

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 11:40:56 AM »
I was referring to the times the Shulhan Aruch goes with the Kabbalists (inflenced the halahic rulings)

 "Rabbi Yosef Karo had some kabbalistic influence.  (Although I can't point to the places in the Shulchan Aruch where this influence shows up.) "

 Soo I brought 2 examples off my head, I'm sure their are more.

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Re: Mysticism: A Denial of G-d
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2012, 09:31:52 PM »
Chatam/Chasam Sofer's attitude towards the Zohar is based on Rabbi Yaakov Emden {or Emdeen's) book on the subject.
Rabbi Emden/Emdeen's view from what I am told by others, is that the Zohar contains many valuable ideas that have to be taken into consideration. He just denies that most of it is from Rabbi Shimon Bar Yochai.

The idea that different names of G-d can help bestow various influences in the world is a very old one in Judaism.
It is found in the Talmud and I contend if interpreted correctly in the Tanakh itself.

Mishna Brura indeed on the first Halacha in Shulchan Aruch states that concentrating on the Hebrew name Of G-d Yud_kay_vav_kay {I am not providing the Hebrew spelling here intentionally} together with special vowel signs under the first 3 letters, will help improve a person's fear of Heaven.
I have a friend that said to me that one of the things that brought him closer to Judaism, was by meditating on specific names of G-d and following some other medidation ideas that he found in a book by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan.