Interesting Article on CNN was Christopher Columbus a Jew

[AsheDina]

ALSO;
The American Indians were ALSO known as
"The BEST Light Cavalry In The WORLD"

Ya all better get RID of the brainwashing.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I was just bringing an example to your logic.
  And now about "fighting back". Soo what? Some Jews also fought back, that doesn't justify the Nazis does it? What if all the Jewish groups got together and fought back against the Nazis, that wouldn't make the actions by hitler (YSV) any way justified would it? Anyway, i'm willing to dropp it, it doesn't matter much for me.

[AsheDina]

Ashedina why are you so certain Columbus had a converso mother and catholic father, what are you basing on ?

Well, Zelhar, I am going toward 50 years old, they actually taught the truth in American education when I was a child.

[Dr. Dan]

In the mid 1600 population of present day Mexico dropped to 1 million....It took 350-400 years for population in conquered lands to recover and reach levels as they were before Spanish conquest.
Natives in North America still live in concentration camps.

wait hold on here.  you are comparing these Native American reservations to Concentration camps..such as the ones where Jews were murdered?!  I don't understand this coming from a Serbian especially.

By your philosophy, it seems to me that you believe that the early explorers to the Americas were evil and had no right to settle here.  If that is your philosophy, why do you believe Kosovo, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, etc don't have a right to exist?  After all, ethnic Albanians lived in Yugoslavia...so certainly, by your philosophy of the Americas, it was wrong to include them as part of Yugoslavia and therefore, deserve a right to their own country....

Do you see the hipocracy you are feeding here?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Well, Zelhar, I am going toward 50 years old, they actually taught the truth in American education when I was a child.

 They taught you that Columbus was a Jew is American schools 30-40 years ago?

[AsheDina]

I was just bringing an example to your logic.
  And now about "fighting back". Soo what? Some Jews also fought back, that doesn't justify the Nazis does it? What if all the Jewish groups got together and fought back against the Nazis, that wouldn't make the actions by hitler (YSV) any way justified would it? Anyway, i'm willing to dropp it, it doesn't matter much for me.

Well, imo you should drop it, because you are comparing Jews to The best light cavalry in the world, the American Indian.

Jews (a small remnant) did fight back, but we all know what happened to 5,999,999 million Jews, Tahir

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Well, imo you should drop it, because you are comparing Jews to The best light cavalry in the world, the American Indian.

Jews (a small remnant) did fight back, but we all know what happened to 5,999,999 million Jews, Tahir

 Last I checked it was 6,000,000 , you missed 1.

[Dr. Dan]

We here in America, are repeating history, only it is Stalinist history being repeated. Which is seriously UNFRIENDLY to Jews and Christians. So, the crusades are not something I worry about or distress over. (The SAME case scenario  is happening in Israel with the left. It is NOT christians that are persecuting Jews in Israel. It is the LEFTISTS/Stalinists)

IF it was Christians that were murdering Jews in America, I would fight it.
But, frankly, I just live in the here and now.

May I paraphrase?

You DO believe the crusaders were horrendous, but today, the problem aren't Christians..it's Muslims and evil leftists

[Dr. Dan]

some Native American tribes were actually peaceful while others were war mongerers and didn't like invaders.  The same with some explorers. Some were genociders while others tried to coexist.  However, when attacked by dangerous tribes, you can't expect settlers and explorers not to fight back.  Serbian Army, is that what you would do if a dangerous Albanian Muslim was fighting your country?

My father has kept many artifacts that are well over 500 yrs old. My grandmother told me the stories of my fathers people, as well as my g'great-mother.
One of the artifacts is my g-g-g-g grandmother, which is engraved in a bears tooth. 
MY people, NOT YOURS got along very well with white Europeans.

SO-Basically you are calling me a liar, and that is nasty.

The "American" education system now, is full of sh*t.
Ask ANY American here.

 You have TOTALLY disrespected me, my father, who DOES NOT LIE, called MY family liars, & belittled me.

I will tell you this regarding the "American" KIND 'education' bullsh*t, for this IS what they teach about the sweet, wonderful, nice, Kosovo/Bosnian Muslims:

The Kosavo/Bosnians were kind to you, and dont tell me different, because the American education system PLAINLY says that the Serbs got what they asked for when America invaded their country, killing Serb Christians over Kosovo/Bosnian Muslim/Nazis..

That is what America teaches about Serbia.

So, knock your socks off Chump. 
Believe the BULLSH*T American 'education' system.

[JTFenthusiast2]

Can I interrupt all this to get a downtown she ballin' mmmhmmmmm from all my JTF sisters and brothers?

[serbian army]

I am well aware of tribes being wiped out. Native Americans are the only guerrilla force defending their own turf that has ever been defeated, and after 400 years of scalping, some colonists were a little crazy too. What would have Native American culture, arriving at a barely armed Christian America have done to them?And post what you will, but very little history, especially in America escapes me.

From your posts I was thinking you were unaware of murders. They would probably to the same.

[serbian army]

wait hold on here.  you are comparing these Native American reservations to Concentration camps..such as the ones where Jews were murdered?!  I don't understand this coming from a Serbian especially.

By your philosophy, it seems to me that you believe that the early explorers to the Americas were evil and had no right to settle here.  If that is your philosophy, why do you believe Kosovo, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, etc don't have a right to exist?  After all, ethnic Albanians lived in Yugoslavia...so certainly, by your philosophy of the Americas, it was wrong to include them as part of Yugoslavia and therefore, deserve a right to their own country....

Do you see the hipocracy you are feeding here?

Reservations are in fact concentration camps where you get your number, prisoners can't leave place, die out of starvation because it is the most useless land. Reservations have better conditions now after Indian population became almost non-existent. You do your research what was done to natives in Americas.
I don't think Montenegro have no right to exist. They have every right to separate from union with Serbia. I believe we are much stronger together. 99% of Serbs there actually voted to stay together with Serbia.
Croatia have right to exist but not in current borders. Historically their lands never expanded so much, but thanks to Vatican we have what we have.
Kosovo is heart and soul of our nation. We also call it Serbian Jerusalem and I believe you know what it means. That region was run over by Turks who did whatever they could to help muslim population from Albania to settle there. Communist dictator Tito did the same thing. With their immigration came terrorism and drug trafficking.
Bosnian is just another Serbian kingdom like Montenegro. Most of the Serbs there are for union with Montenegro and Serbia. However, there are two other ethnic groups. Croats support Serbs to join Serbia as they themselves want to separate and join Croatia. Muslims want to dominate Christians….

[Israel Chai]

Tag Mehir:
I am also a Jew. My mother is a Jew.  My FATHER is the American Indian. (Seneca/Iroquois)

Basically, You are saying this happened and you folks that dont believe it are 'holocaust deniers.'
Nope. NO.

There is  *NO* comparison to the evil perpetrated against Jews in Germany/EU, etc as compared to Indians who FOUGHT back.  The Jews had their weapons confiscated and EVERYTHING they owned was stolen from them.
 They had NO knives, they didnt scalp Germans, they didnt rape Germans, they had ZERO to fight back with. NOTHING.

You cannot compare the atrocities against the Jews and say you feel something for the American Indian b/c they went through something similar. NO, they did NOT.  These are all leftist talking points, I reject them. 
The leftists ALSO compare the Mexican to the Jews, The blacks to the Jews, etc.  LIES.

Many Indians died off because of EU diseases that most Europeans were immune to.

Indians FOUGHT back and had weapons.  They were SAVAGE fighters.
STOP putting down the American Indian. They were NOT victims.  NOBODY 'took' their weapons.

When they compared gays to Jews in my English class, I snapped. And the next day, they turn around and say the holocaust is exaggerated. 

[AsheDina]

Reservations are in fact concentration camps where you get your number

This is not truth. 
Reservations make billions of dollars with casino money that the Indians pay ZERO taxes on.
Where you are getting this information is just a lie.

People WILLINGLY live on reservations.

Jews did NOT want to live in the ghettos to get gassed and murdered. 

I cant see HOW ANY person can compare the Native American warriors to the Jews in Germany & EU.
Un Be Friggin Lievable

[AsheDina]

When they compared gays to Jews in my English class, I snapped. And the next day, they turn around and say the holocaust is exaggerated. 

I feel sad that you have to endure such insanity. I truly feel bad.  I wish I would have done more as a younger person.  I have only been involved in this insanity since 1989.

I cant believe that they would now compare Jews  (many religious for the most part) in Germany to queers.  That is just an abomination.

[AsheDina]

May I paraphrase?

You DO believe the crusaders were horrendous, but today, the problem aren't Christians..it's Muslims and evil leftists

TY, Dr Dan 

[AsheDina]

some Native American tribes were actually peaceful while others were war mongerers and didn't like invaders.  The same with some explorers. Some were genociders while others tried to coexist.  However, when attacked by dangerous tribes, you can't expect settlers and explorers not to fight back.  Serbian Army, is that what you would do if a dangerous Albanian Muslim was fighting your country?

Yes, Dr Dan, exactly.  They FOUGHT BACK.  The Indians could be seriously savage like when fighting.

With NO formal military training, they were called the BEST light cavalry in the WORLD.

[AsheDina]

Anyway, this was a fun debate, thank you.
I have to go now.
David Ben Moshe says to stop and Chaim has asked me to not get upset.  We have songs that we are working on to get RID of Obama for the JTF and my blog.

I only know a lot about the Native American because of my fathers family. My father is a warrior-type man. He was a NAVY man, he is a hunter and lives off of the land. 
He really hates it when people defame the Native by telling these absurdities how they/we were victims. 
He hates it, I hate it and it is not right to distort history.

(DONT ask me how the hell an American Portuguese Jewish woman (My mom) met up with an Iroquois man, still cant figure THAT one out....)

About Columbus: When I was in 7th grade, we visited DC, that was probably 1978 or before, cant remember.  They had archived the journey of Columbus.  The #1 reason for Columbus's voyage was to go to the Indies, I think most Americans know this.  But, one of his quotes was that he felt 'divinely lead by G-d.' 

When we studied on his genetics, ethnicity, (I actually had FABULOUS teachers) it was just  common knowledge information that Columbus was from a home that was Jewish and Catholic.  CNN is not reporting anything 'new.'

Anyway, I cant talk anymore.
I dont want to make David and Chaim upset.
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[Rubystars]

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[muman613]

Shabbat Shalom!

I don't know why you get so worked up about these things. Many people have differing opinions on topics. I think most of us believe you. I know several people who have native American blood and they dont harbor any hatred of our country.