Conversion

[RationalThought110]

I'm posting this on this section of the forum because those who care about the Torah are most likely to understand this issue well as compared to Jews who don't care about the Torah.

Some Jewish publications give awful advice: 

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/searchview.php?id=17094

Any comments?

[newman]

All the beautiful jewish girls in the world and this schmuck has to marry a mick.........OI!!

[Shoshana]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

[kahaneloyalist]

Those kids are not Jewish and wont be unless they go through a Daati conversion.

[newman]

Those kids are not Jewish and wont be unless they go through a Daati conversion.

Correct. There aint no 'half' in Judaism....no Jewish mother=no Jew           

[nopeaceforland]

Those kids are not Jewish and wont be unless they go through a Daati conversion.

Correct. There aint no 'half' in Judaism....no Jewish mother=no Jew           

Well said, Newman.

[mord]

All the beautiful jewish girls in the world and this schmuck has to marry a mick.........OI!!

she does'nt look Irish

[newman]

All the beautiful jewish girls in the world and this schmuck has to marry a mick.........OI!!

she does'nt look Irish

'mick' is any catholic. 'paddy' is irish.

[mord]

Oh over here we reserve that for the Irish

[chakma613]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

[aC23]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

[chakma613]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

Sorry, but there is so much misinformation posing as Torah on the web, I tend to get really angry when I see anyone - Jew or non-Jew - posting something like this. I always consult my Rebbe before forming an opinion on Jewish matters - we all should, what makes sense to us is not always the way the Torah and Hashem see it.

[chakma613]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

Sorry, but there is so much misinformation posing as Torah on the web, I tend to get really angry when I see anyone - Jew or non-Jew - posting something like this. I always consult my Rebbe before forming an opinion on Jewish matters - we all should, what makes sense to us is not always the way the Torah and Hashem see it.

Also, her name is Shoshana, so I assumed she was Jewish, and hence, should know better

[Shoshana]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

Sorry, but there is so much misinformation posing as Torah on the web, I tend to get really angry when I see anyone - Jew or non-Jew - posting something like this. I always consult my Rebbe before forming an opinion on Jewish matters - we all should, what makes sense to us is not always the way the Torah and Hashem see it.

I can have any opinion I want. I didn't try to say my opinion was Torah in any way.

[chakma613]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

Sorry, but there is so much misinformation posing as Torah on the web, I tend to get really angry when I see anyone - Jew or non-Jew - posting something like this. I always consult my Rebbe before forming an opinion on Jewish matters - we all should, what makes sense to us is not always the way the Torah and Hashem see it.

I can have any opinion I want. I didn't try to say my opinion was Torah in any way.

Of course you can have an opinion like that..I can say the sky is brown too, it's equally as valid.

[HiWarp]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

Sorry, but there is so much misinformation posing as Torah on the web, I tend to get really angry when I see anyone - Jew or non-Jew - posting something like this. I always consult my Rebbe before forming an opinion on Jewish matters - we all should, what makes sense to us is not always the way the Torah and Hashem see it.

I can have any opinion I want. I didn't try to say my opinion was Torah in any way.

Of course you can have an opinion like that..I can say the sky is brown too, it's equally as valid.

That is a bad analogy.

[chakma613]

I think it's sad this gal didn't convert for the sake of family unity. It is however wonderful that the children are being raised Jewish. I see no problem with Jews marrying out of the faith SO LONG as the partner converts. The world needs more Jews

Allow me to correct you - we do NOT accept converts for the sake of marriage! No orthodox rabbi will convert a shikseh for marriage purposes, it is not done, and if i is done, the children would be goyim nonetheless. You are sadly mistake in saying that you see no problem in intermarrying, it leads to assimilation, and it leads to the Jewish man(or woman), adopting the beliefs of their copulation partner. It's sick, and what you ar saying is the same argument made by conservative jews, congrats.

While what you're saying is 100% true, you don't have to be so harsh on her. You can explain it to her civilly.

We need more Jews in the world, but intermarrying is definitely not the solution. We are much better off staying small and Jewish than big and "Jewish"

Sorry, but there is so much misinformation posing as Torah on the web, I tend to get really angry when I see anyone - Jew or non-Jew - posting something like this. I always consult my Rebbe before forming an opinion on Jewish matters - we all should, what makes sense to us is not always the way the Torah and Hashem see it.

I can have any opinion I want. I didn't try to say my opinion was Torah in any way.

Of course you can have an opinion like that..I can say the sky is brown too, it's equally as valid.

That is a bad analogy.

Ha, ok, I stand corrected

Still, I think you know what I was trying to say

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

it should be publicly known to all Jews here (and everywhere) that for a Jew the sin on having sexual relations with a gentile is having no share in the world to come. and no, one cant date assuming that the partner will convert.
   To the person who said we need more Jews in the world- good idea but the way you do it is having a kosher marriage both husband and wife are Jewish and then have many kids. We cant make our own rules and if we do we will be punished severly. We have allready had a holocaust recently do you want many more both in this world and expecially the next.

[HiWarp]

it should be publicly known to all Jews here (and everywhere) that for a Jew the sin on having sexual relations with a gentile is having no share in the world to come. and no, one cant date assuming that the partner will convert.
   To the person who said we need more Jews in the world- good idea but the way you do it is having a kosher marriage both husband and wife are Jewish and then have many kids. We cant make our own rules and if we do we will be punished severly. We have allready had a holocaust recently do you want many more both in this world and expecially the next.

Just out of curiosity, what happens to the gentile?

[decimos]

if u observe the "7-laws of Noahide"you will have a share in the world to come.However i dont know what would happen with a Jew and Gentile married.Having said that I have done some research,my reults are as follows.
Gilui Arayot - Illicit Sexual Relations -

There are six illicit sexual relations forbidden to a gentile:

his mother;

his father's wife, even after the father's death;

a married woman, whether married to a Jew or to a non-Jew;

his maternal sister;

a male (homosexuality);

an animal (bestiality);
so,this doesnt answer your question.so i ll do more digging.btw im a no practising christian.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

it should be publicly known to all Jews here (and everywhere) that for a Jew the sin on having sexual relations with a gentile is having no share in the world to come. and no, one cant date assuming that the partner will convert.
   To the person who said we need more Jews in the world- good idea but the way you do it is having a kosher marriage both husband and wife are Jewish and then have many kids. We cant make our own rules and if we do we will be punished severly. We have allready had a holocaust recently do you want many more both in this world and expecially the next.

Just out of curiosity, what happens to the gentile?

I honestly do not know. But im speculating something bad expecially if he or she is aware that he/she is causing their partner to sin every single time they are together.

[newman]

it should be publicly known to all Jews here (and everywhere) that for a Jew the sin on having sexual relations with a gentile is having no share in the world to come. and no, one cant date assuming that the partner will convert.
   To the person who said we need more Jews in the world- good idea but the way you do it is having a kosher marriage both husband and wife are Jewish and then have many kids. We cant make our own rules and if we do we will be punished severly. We have allready had a holocaust recently do you want many more both in this world and expecially the next.

Just out of curiosity, what happens to the gentile?

I honestly do not know. But im speculating something bad expecially if he or she is aware that he/she is causing their partner to sin every single time they are together.

I figured that a goy marrying a Jew is putting a stumbling block before the blind. Like a regular Jew handing a Nazir a glass of wine.

[HiWarp]

Okay, I'm going to throw this out and see what kind of response I get.  Here's my situation.  My wife was raised a Christian.  When we were married, as far as she and I were concerned, she was a Christian.  A few years later she found out from her mother that her grandmother was Jewish and never said anything to anyone until she was on her deathbed.  So, in essence, my wife's mother married a Christian man and had 8 kids, which were raised as Christians, because she also did not know about her mother's heritage.

My understanding, based on what I know about Jewish lineage, is that since my wife's grandmother on her mother's side is Jewish, my wife is Jewish.  What do I do? 

[newman]

Put that one to Lubab

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

Okay, I'm going to throw this out and see what kind of response I get.  Here's my situation.  My wife was raised a Christian.  When we were married, as far as she and I were concerned, she was a Christian.  A few years later she found out from her mother that her grandmother was Jewish and never said anything to anyone until she was on her deathbed.  So, in essence, my wife's mother married a Christian man and had 8 kids, which were raised as Christians, because she also did not know about her mother's heritage.

My understanding, based on what I know about Jewish lineage, is that since my wife's grandmother on her mother's side is Jewish, my wife is Jewish.  What do I do? 

get rid of her. dont sleep with her any more, at the very least not before asking a beit Din of Orthodox Rabbi's. Now you know, if you didnt it might be a different story.