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Hamas: Better ALL die than ever recognize Israel (in any border)!
davkakach:
--- Quote ---My point is that we are above torturing people.
--- End quote ---
I am not a learned rabbi, but I believe that if torturing enemies
and making their torture public knowledge is provably effective
in preventing those enemies from attacking us, then this torture
is justifiable, IMHO.
Instead of one telling oneself or others what he is above, I think
it is better that one reminds oneself what he is below---and that
is G-d and his commandments---so as to minimize the chances of
apparent conflicts and contradictions between what we perceive
to be moral, and what divine justice and moral code actually are.
Shlomo:
I think utterly destroying them with a neutron bomb would send the message with enough clarity. :)
Now if some terrorist is holding information that could save lives, then I would not disagree with torture... but that's not toture for torture's sake.
davkakach:
--- Quote ---I think utterly destroying them with a neutron bomb would send the message with enough clarity.
--- End quote ---
Actually, you're right, and I didn't consider this. We live in an age when we don't have
to co-exist with evil, when we have the capability to destroy evil without compromises,
yet we choose to accept evil's existence---in effect, becoming accomplices to evil. For
this, we deserve to be punished. If Moses possessed a WMD, he would have used it
against Amalek without blinking an eye.
Shlomo:
--- Quote from: davkakach on October 04, 2006, 01:02:07 PM ---
--- Quote ---I think utterly destroying them with a neutron bomb would send the message with enough clarity.
--- End quote ---
Actually, you're right, and I didn't consider this. We live in an age when we don't have
to co-exist with evil, when we have the capability to destroy evil without compromises,
yet we choose to accept evil's existence---in effect, becoming accomplices to evil. For
this, we deserve to be punished. If Moses possessed a WMD, he would have used it
against Amalek without blinking an eye.
--- End quote ---
That is EXACTLY what I've said for so many years. We are commanded to do it. It is our duty.
Some people argue and say killing is wrong. That's where I agree. So you kill the people who are obviously going to kill lots of other people - not out of vengence but out of neccessity. Then the killing stops. Many times over - less people die and suffer and the only ones that did die were evil. It's really the most humane thing to do but people don't like looking at that... because the job is a terrible one and procrastination is easier - but costs many more lives.
Not a single person yet has to prove that obvious logic wrong. It's Torah.
davkakach:
I couldn't put it better myself.
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