"New Kach" to run

[Yerusha]

Would the "New Kach" party http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=289591
led by Marzel, Ben Ari and Ben Gvir get Chayim's vote?



Or is it still too early to tell?

[Aces High]

I wouldn't trust Marzel as far as I could throw him.  I remember Chaim saying once that Marzel denied receiving a large donation from him, when he needed funds to run for office.   For that alone, Marzel wouldn't get dime 1 from me, or my vote.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Sounds great. Ben-Ari, Federman, Marzel and  Ben Gvir.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Ir says in the article, they are specifically not making a new Kach.

Btw didn't ben ari announce last week he was running with aryeh eldad?

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Oh Federman's on the list?  Sweet.

 Actually not sure (Dont know), but from the picture it is (from left to right) Ben Gvir, Noam Federman, Baruch Marzel and Ben Ari.

[edu]

I am planning to vote for them (bli neder), unless an even more right wing option becomes available.

[Chaim Ben Pesach]

בס''ד

Noam Federman the hero does not support them. Neither do I.

After the presidential election in the U.S., we plan on doing Hebrew videos where we will explain why these are phony political opportunists who have betrayed all Kahanist principles.

The Knesset election is January 22. We are still concentrating on trying to beat Barack Hussein Obama. But after November 6, we will deal with the Israeli election extensively.

Stay tuned.

[Zelhar]

Oh Federman's on the list?  Sweet.

I don't think so, it seems like just a random picture taken in Hebron on some unrelated matter. I would be very surprised if Federman joined them.

What really happened is that the National Union combined with Haba'it Hayehudi, and in that arrangement they pushed Michael Ben Ari down the list with little to no chances of getting in the Knesset, they pushed down and out Aryeh Eldad too. So Ben Ari and Eldad are probably going to run together in a joint list.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

I don't think so, it seems like just a random picture taken in Hebron on some unrelated matter. I would be very surprised if Federman joined them.

What really happened is that the National Union combined with Haba'it Hayehudi, and in that arrangement they pushed Michael Ben Ari down the list with little to no chances of getting in the Knesset, they pushed down and out Aryeh Eldad too. So Ben Ari and Eldad are probably going to run together in a joint list.

Exactly.

Although I don't think Ben Ari or Eldad are bad people, they certainly say openly they are NOT kahanists.  So thinking of this arrangement as "New Kach" is completely senseless.      Not to mention, that whatever they are doing will not succeed.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Sad to see that people with basically the same ideology fighting each other. Think of it this way, the leftists want different groups fighting each other over petty differences. It is not like their are 2 different parties and you are saying to vote for 1 and not the other. Inflating these little differences makes it worse for all of us. (Whether it is them to you or you to them).

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Sad to see that people with basically the same ideology fighting each other. Think of it this way, the leftists want different groups fighting each other over petty differences. It is not like their are 2 different parties and you are saying to vote for 1 and not the other. Inflating these little differences makes it worse for all of us. (Whether it is them to you or you to them).

lol, but they are the ones who just now formed a splinter party.   

And the fact is, that they do NOT have the same ideology.    Ben Ari does NOT have the same ideology as Kahanists.   And he openly states his differences.     Although I believe he's generally a good person.

You are right that people can't agree on the basic things and prioritize them.  But the fault lies with the mainstream religious zionist politicians who have the wrong and very twisted values and therefore will never agree to certain basic Jewish values, and of course the religious zionist public who follows such people like sheep and therefore lends the major support to them rather than to people like Eldad or Ben Ari (or, perish the thought, an actual Kahanist)

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

lol, but they are the ones who just now formed a splinter party.   

And the fact is, that they do NOT have the same ideology.    Ben Ari does NOT have the same ideology as Kahanists.   And he openly states his differences.     Although I believe he's generally a good person.

 what is soo different about his ideology then let's say to yours, or to Chaim's? It is basically the same.
   By the way why are soo harsh and exacting with them yett are willing to work with different religions and turn a blind eye to that. Perhaps if they happened to say something about JTF they were really saying about the non-Jewish pandering that they were attacking (but either way why not push both of these things aside).

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

 what is soo different about his ideology then let's say to yours, or to Chaim's? It is basically the same.

Ben Ari doesn't want the arabs out.    And does Ben Ari want to radically change the nature of the state of Israel to a Jewish state rather than state of Jews?   Not from what I've seen.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Ben Ari doesn't want the arabs out.    And does Ben Ari want to radically change the nature of the state of Israel to a Jewish state rather than state of Jews?   Not from what I've seen.

 Really? I don't think that is true. Not at all. He might not be as vocal about it, but for sure he wants the Arabs about. I did hear him say such things.
 Anyway even if we don't get the 100% results we would like, not voting is almost basically giving the votes to the Leftists.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

 what is soo different about his ideology then let's say to yours, or to Chaim's? It is basically the same.
   By the way why are soo harsh and exacting with them yett are willing to work with different religions and turn a blind eye to that. Perhaps if they happened to say something about JTF they were really saying about the non-Jewish pandering that they were attacking (but either way why not push both of these things aside).

Personally, I would work with them.  From what I understand they do not want to work with Chaim, but I don't know the specifics. 

I am sick and tired of all the fool's gold, phony right wing parties (National Union being a prime example).   
Speaking of individuals involved in this, anyone who goes around making a point of professing to be a "former Kahanist" is clearly someone who is not prepared to deal with the Arab terrorist problem.     

That said, I do think MARZEL is a Kahanist, and I respect him.    I certainly wouldn't want to impede any good things they try to do, and I would hope whatever good things they do would succeed.   I definitely don't want to combat them.   
But this idea for yet another splinter party just will not work.    I suspect they also will not be able to formulate a coherent ideology or platform, just as all failed sectoral parties.     
And they certainly don't have the charismatic personality to make this party a hit.
And they certainly are not going to attack the RZ establishment to take votes away from them.
And they certainly are not going to attack the Shas treason to take votes away from them.
They will certainly have yet another failed political strategy while the Likud and Lieberman tyranny will reign supreme with no one to stop them.

[Yerusha]

Surely the Likud-Beiteinu bloc is going to force the Ultra-Rightwing Wing parties to unify in to one bloc party.

Eldad, Feiglin, Marzel, Federman, Ben Ari, Laniado, Druckman, Ben Gvir, Katzaleh etc all have HUMONGOUS egos and typical overblown, misplaced Israeli self-inflated pride, grudges, irks and petty jealousies.

But they are soon going to realise that "uni nous somme plus fort- disuni nous somme perdus!" - "United we are strong - disunited WE ARE DOOMED!"

[muman613]

I agree with Tag that in a way {I am not putting words in his mouth}. While we may not find actual politicians who would openly support the 'kahanist' position, we should be looking for some who may be on the fence and who could influence their party to shift. I believe that there are some, such as these, who offer more hope than the 'phony right' which is spoken about so much here.

Constantly belittling Feiglin and Marzel for whatever they may have said concerning JTF doesn't really help matters. Maybe they need to distance themselves from appearing too much associated with the far right, so they try to say things which will give them cover for their true beliefs.

I agree that none of these are of the level of Rabbi Kahane, nor do they seem to want to go down that road. But I believe that sometimes, especially in politics, one needs to make alliances even if the core goals are not achieved right away, with the hope of shifting political opinion toward the right.

[Dr. Dan]

I think it's going to have to take a third generation Kahanist to unite the Jewish people.  Those were under the tutoledge of Kahane (with the exception of Chaim) are not capable of changing the hearts and minds of Israeli Jews.  It will be the generation that did not know Kahane, but only knew of him, that will be able to change the hearts and minds of Israeli Jews.  And that person will be able to unite true Kahanists along with wanna be Kahanists making the wanna be Kahanists become more true Kahanists.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Surely the Likud-Beiteinu bloc is going to force the Ultra-Rightwing Wing parties to unify in to one bloc party.

Eldad, Feiglin, Marzel, Federman, Ben Ari, Laniado, Druckman, Ben Gvir, Katzaleh etc all have HUMONGOUS egos and typical overblown, misplaced Israeli self-inflated pride, grudges, irks and petty jealousies.

 Frst off I dont think you would get away (here) with saying that Federman has an inflated ego. Nor do I believe that the other necessarily do either.
 Are you trying to furthur stirr things? Seems like it, WONGA.

[muman613]

Frst off I dont think you would get away (here) with saying that Federman has an inflated ego. Nor do I believe that the other necessarily do either.
 Are you trying to furthur stirr things? Seems like it, WONGA.

This is what I thought since his first post...

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

I think it's going to have to take a third generation Kahanist to unite the Jewish people.  Those were under the tutoledge of Kahane (with the exception of Chaim) are not capable of changing the hearts and minds of Israeli Jews.  It will be the generation that did not know Kahane, but only knew of him, that will be able to change the hearts and minds of Israeli Jews.  And that person will be able to unite true Kahanists along with wanna be Kahanists making the wanna be Kahanists become more true Kahanists.

 How are we to change the minds of Israelis if they would be and are exposed to different Kahanists not uniting and not changing things, but spending time and effort fighting THEMSELVES. Would the average, uninformed or even informed person like or want people like that taking over and running the country. Is that the hope and change "Kahanists" would bring?
 By the way I dont even think one necessarily needs to be classified even as a "Kahanist" to be working together for the betterment of the Jewish nation and for Kiddush Hashem. Compromises in Halacha and core belief should not be tolerated yett their are some differences (in strategy)  that can be tolerated and accepted. 

[Yerusha]

In the interests of unity Katzaleh is prepared to lower his position on the list to 7th in order, he believes, to increase the winnings for Ichud Leumi/Bayit Yehudi
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/161536

He states: "I also asked the party to ensure that the five candidates in front of me in the National Union are all Sephardim".

But "Be not overly humble", and does this not give the impression that an Ashkenaz is deferring, even demeaning himself, before Sephardim?

Or is Katz savvy?

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

Yawn!

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Yawn!

Lol.

Indeed.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Again starting to stirr sh^t  as usual. I dont know a lot about Ktzelen but posting an old photo of him with Sharon in an attempt to make him look bad is low. At that time it was Sharon who was building and supporting Jewish settlement in the land of Israel. That was then. Soo what if he appears in a picture with him? That is like defaming Rav Kahane for him earlier supporting Begin although later Begin did F@$% up.