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Is communism bad ?
« on: July 06, 2007, 04:29:38 PM »
Why do you think that cummunism is bad, why is economic equality bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007, 04:34:39 PM »
Why do you think thet cummonism is bad, why does economic equality is bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?


Communism is bad because it is a system where government controls people and denies freedom. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Economic equality is an impossible dream because nobody is equal. We don't all have the same intelligence, the same talent, the same business accumen, same skill, same motivation. History has shown that only freedom works.

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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 04:43:59 PM »
Why do you think thet cummonism is bad, why does economic equality is bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?


Communism is bad because it is a system where government controls people and denies freedom. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Economic equality is an impossible dream because nobody is equal. We don't all have the same intelligence, the same talent, the same business accumen, same skill, same motivation. History has shown that only freedom works.
You are talking about the cummonist regime of the Proletariat (as Stalin regim), im talking about the "pure" communism.
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 04:47:08 PM »
Why do you think thet cummonism is bad, why does economic equality is bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?


Communism is bad because it is a system where government controls people and denies freedom. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Economic equality is an impossible dream because nobody is equal. We don't all have the same intelligence, the same talent, the same business accumen, same skill, same motivation. History has shown that only freedom works.
You are talking about the cummonist regime of the Proletariat (as Stalin regim), im talking about the "pure" communism.

no form of government control will ever work.

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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 04:51:11 PM »
Why do you think thet cummonism is bad, why does economic equality is bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?


Communism is bad because it is a system where government controls people and denies freedom. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Economic equality is an impossible dream because nobody is equal. We don't all have the same intelligence, the same talent, the same business accumen, same skill, same motivation. History has shown that only freedom works.
You are talking about the cummonist regime of the Proletariat (as Stalin regim), im talking about the "pure" communism.

no form of government control will ever work.
I agree with you, only in a perfect world and in a utopian society it will work.
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2007, 05:14:44 PM »
Yes, a man made conduct of "being" will never work, thats exactly what makes the Word of God so Great, it can be followed and mantained!

I think that the worst form of communism is the fact that it does not accept religion in its society. Capatislism has many evils i believe but communism rids a person of their right completely and if such an ideology were still to be intact today, i can't imagine how bad it would be, especially with the increasing immigration crisis.

There are many totalitarian states which are almost verging on government control, control over speech and views that is.

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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2007, 05:16:24 PM »
Yes, a man made conduct of "being" will never work, thats exactly what makes the Word of G-d so Great, it can be followed and mantained!

I think that the worst form of communism is the fact that it does not accept religion in its society. Capatislism has many evils i believe but communism rids a person of their right completely and if such an ideology were still to be intact today, i can't imagine how bad it would be, especially with the increasing immigration crisis.

There are many totalitarian states which are almost verging on government control, control over speech and views that is.
So you support soft socialism ?
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 05:20:34 PM »
No not really, its just a kind of excuse for the government to intervene in society and the economy by extreme measures.

There are some factors of socialism that are ok but overall, no i don't. Do you?

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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 05:26:36 PM »
No not really, its just a kind of excuse for the government to intervene in society and the economy by extreme measures.

There are some factors of socialism that are ok but overall, no i don't. Do you?
Im now reading a lot about economy and economy regimes, im still reading about the cummonism, i dont know so clearly what are the diffrents between socialism and commonism.

So.....what economic regime do you support ?
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2007, 05:38:45 PM »
No not really, its just a kind of excuse for the government to intervene in society and the economy by extreme measures.

There are some factors of socialism that are ok but overall, no i don't. Do you?
Im now reading a lot about economy and economy regimes, im still reading about the cummonism, i dont know so clearly what are the diffrents between socialism and commonism.

So.....what economic regime do you support ?

Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of socialism.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds (socialism). From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (communism).

The socialist principle of distribution according to deeds— that is, for quality and quantity of work performed, is immediately possible and practical. On the other hand, the communist principle of distribution according to needs is not immediately possible and practical—it is an ultimate goal.

It must not be assumed, from the distinction between socialism and communism, that the political parties all over the world which call themselves Socialist advocate socialism, while those which call themselves Communist advocate communism. That is not the case. Since the immediate successor to capitalism can only be socialism, the Communist parties,-like the Socialist parties, have as their goal the establishment of socialism........

I find that there will always be evil with any economical regime, simply because wealth causes greed. However i am not too familiar with the variety of regimes, if i were to support one i would have to take an example of a country under well co-ordinated economical systems........capatilism is the main regime that is profoundingly successful in todays world, however i do not support any, right now. I need to read up on more stuff as well. :)

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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 07:17:02 PM »
Communism is bad because there are no incentives (that work with people in the real world) for people to do anything.  There is no incentive to take huge risks and take bold moves to invent new things that benefit mankind.  A Communist country could never reach the standard of living of a successful capitalist country because there is no incentive or means to create that much wealth.  If people know that if they spend lots of their time and effort to create something that will give them a high financial return it will be taken away from them and distributed to the masses, they won't attempt to create because there is no reason to do so.  Only a few committed idealists will want to create for "the good of the people", most people do not operate that way.  Economic equality is bad because it means that the people who contribute the most will not be rewarded for what they do and they therefore will not feel the need to contribute.  Communism also fails because of the tragedy of the commons.  For each individual in a communist system, there is an incentive to not do anything and to mooch off of the system.  If there are only a few bad apples doing this, it will not greatly damage the system of a whole but if EVERY individual finds it advantageous to mooch off of society and be lazy and not contribute anything, the Communist system will and does fail. 

I support Capitalism with certain restrictions such as on employer practices, fiscal and monetary policy, standards of products for safety and quality, anti-monopoly, federal health and safety regulations, campaign finance reform, no corporate welfare, environmental regulations, some government funded programs that are necessary such as the military, schools, and social programs such as National Parks and other large government projects.  The only sort of "welfare" I support is medical help for elderly people who cannot afford health insurance.

I'm very impressed that you're teaching yourself about different economic systems Dexter.  When I was 13 I was concerned with skateboarding and chasing girls.   :laugh:  It is amazing that you are only 13 and you already understand more about politics and economics than most retarded adults!  You are already a great scholar Dexter, keep up the good work!
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 07:22:39 PM »
This also goes into the fact that if a nation is righteous and religious, the charity that both Jews and Christians are supposed to deliver will help the less fortunate... it is NOT the government's job to lift the poor and depressed up.  A little help here and there is fine, but when it gets to the degree that it has in the Western world, we can see the negative effects. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2007, 07:37:49 PM »
Communism is bad because there are no incentives (that work with people in the real world) for people to do anything. 

Money is not the only incentive for working. People also work because of curiosity or creative impulses. Otherwise we would not have artists and philosophers. Moral people also do good work because of their pride in a job well done.

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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2007, 08:44:02 PM »
Communism is bad because there are no incentives (that work with people in the real world) for people to do anything. 

Money is not the only incentive for working. People also work because of curiosity or creative impulses. Otherwise we would not have artists and philosophers. Moral people also do good work because of their pride in a job well done.

My point was that most people don't operate this way.  Artists and philosophers usually don't take huge risks to create or discover something that will increase peoples' standard of living.   
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2007, 08:55:09 PM »
Why do you think thet cummonism is bad, why does economic equality is bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?


Communism is bad because it is a system where government controls people and denies freedom. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. Economic equality is an impossible dream because nobody is equal. We don't all have the same intelligence, the same talent, the same business accumen, same skill, same motivation. History has shown that only freedom works.
You are talking about the cummonist regime of the Proletariat (as Stalin regim), im talking about the "pure" communism.
Comunism doesn't work bevause there is no money in it or incentive to work hard to make more money. I've lived under communism and it sucks asss. The government takes from the people and does not give back nor does it share with anyone else but the top party leaders. There is forced slavery like working camps and child military camps. Anyone who tells you that communism is good or that it works is plain retarded. Look at all the communist countries of the past and present: USSR had to reject communism after 70 years of failures, Cuba still is in denial that their system is screwed, China had to change to capitalism in order to survive, North Korea is dangling by it hairs on the brink of collapse, and now Venezuela is flirting with disaster after Hugo Chaves, a student of Castro is taking his country backwards into socialism and later, communism.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2007, 09:01:16 PM »
You are absolutely right El Cabong!  Are you a Cuban Jew or Cuban gentile?
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Re: Does communism is bad ?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2007, 10:39:01 PM »
Communism produced lunatics like me.
My family and extended family are victims of communism.
My grandparents from both sides were murdered by the red army.
You see, they had some talent and opened their own business. They saved up some money.
Therefore, they are bad guys. How dare they save money? The nerve of them to work and make money!
Sound familiar? It's happening right here in the USA. Although, it seems more like socialism.
I'm not sure anymore. Are we under communism or socialism?
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2007, 06:55:56 PM »
You are absolutely right El Cabong!  Are you a Cuban Jew or Cuban gentile?
I'm Christian and my family moved to Cuba in the 1930's from La Coruna, Gaicia, Spain. We left Cuba in 1965 because the communists were taking everything my family worked hard for all those years and there was no freedom, food, meidcine, etc... They took valuable beachfromt peoperties my mom's famitly owned in Varadero, the best resort in all of Cuba now. Hotels are all built there now for European and Canadian tourists to enjoy. Communism=slavery=islam=muslims: F-Them ALL!!!!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2007, 02:34:19 PM »
Why do you think that cummunism is bad, why is economic equality bad ?
What economic regime do you support ?

Communism only sounds good when you read about it.
In reality, it just don't work.

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2007, 03:22:07 PM »
  I caught the Ceausescu`s dictature and I`m telling you from the experience that is something you don`t want to live.....people couldn't`t go outside the country, couldn't`t have US dollars or German Marks at home, if the Securitatea got the informations that you posses it, they automatically had authorisation to come to your house and search for it. If they found something, they could and had the right to beat you, to put you in the jail, or, if you wanted to cooperate with them, you had to say some informations about anyone you know that possesses money, jewellery, or anything that has value...usually Securitatea got informations from the people very close to you (you couldn't`t imagine who is your friend and who is your enemy) that created a big fear and paranoia in the country...
   The regretable thing is that after the Revolution people who worked for Securitatea became politicians...some of them, like Iliescu, was even the next president of Romania..but of course once he became the president he erase all the documents that were to prove that.
   The situation was pretty bad those days, everybody had to love family Ceausescu, and everybody had to go to manifestations when Ceausescu came in their city and pretend to be very proud of them, when situation was just the opposite. In the winter time was very could in our apartments. every second night they switched off electricity for economy, you wouldn`t aloud to say something bad about the fam. Ceusescu because if somebody heard, could say that to Securitatea and they came into your apt and put you to the jail. of course that man, or woman (usually your "friend") got some award, money or some privileges
   so, what do you say about communism? is it good or bad?
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2007, 11:49:48 AM »
Communism was successful, just look at Cuba and North Korea (Sarcasm)

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Re: Is communism bad ?
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2007, 12:44:26 PM »
So called soft socialism is producing civilisation marasm too; look on secular zionist Israel, social democratic Sweden or freedom the EU gave us for ex:
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Re: Is communism bad ?
« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2007, 09:26:42 AM »
Communism doesn't even sound good when one reads about it, unless one is a state of drug induced coma.  There are many good books on this subject aside from "The Communist Manifesto". 
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    "The Black Book of Communism" - Courtois
    "The Techniques of Communism" - Bodens
    "New Lies for Old" - Golitsyn
    "Fabian Freeway; The High Road to Socialism in America" - Martin
    "Red Horizons" - Pacepa
    "The Gulag Archepelego" - Soltzenitzyn
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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2007, 11:35:56 AM »
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I'm Christian and my family moved to Cuba in the 1930's from La Coruna, Gaicia, Spain. We left Cuba in 1965 because the communists were taking everything my family worked hard for all those years and there was no freedom, food, meidcine, etc... They took valuable beachfromt peoperties my mom's famitly owned in Varadero, the best resort in all of Cuba now. Hotels are all built there now for European and Canadian tourists to enjoy. Communism=slavery=islam=muslims: F-Them ALL!!!!!!!

I have been to Cuba. Geeez....its like another world. Very backwards. I can understand your frustration. I didn't se it from the Canadian or European perspective. I saw it from the local perspective.
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2007, 01:43:55 PM »
Communism never works right.THE only reason it works in China is limited capitalism.