Naftali Bennett for PM?

[muman613]

Agreed, KWRBT.

Muman--Bennett is a pretty, fresh face with a skullcap that rehashes all the same false promises that Lewinsky, Lieberman, Sharansky, etc. have made over the better part of two decades. That's it. Period. I posted a link to a great opinion piece that gave specific examples of how he talks out of both sides of his mouth (not an extremist-right opinion piece either) in his campaigning and your response to me was "I don't think it's ethical for you to change the words in your quote". Really? I posted a splendid article about Bennett's views and that was your grand comeback?

At various times on this forum, you have supported, defended, or minimized the actions of Lewinsky, Shas/Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and the fake Kahanists (whose names do not need to be mentioned). In particular I vividly remember that you once wrote "Bibi is a good Jew, not as tough as we are, but a good Jew." I guess you think JTF has unfairly misunderstood them all. I guess there is no reason for Chaim to be in Israel since the existing "right" that we have basically consists of good people that just occasionally make mistakes.

The article clearly used Livnis incorrect attack, he never said that a soldier should disobey orders. Once again, he said that he would have a problem of conscience carrying out the order and would ask to be excused. I just did a google search on the topic and cannot find where he says anything which opposes his initial statement.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=bennet+disobey+order&oq=bennet+disobey+order&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i400.1866.4486.0.4649.20.4.0.16.16.0.62.235.4.4.0...0.0...1ac.1.L1vVJ5WJQ9k

Here Meotti defends Bennets statement:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/12633#.UODFXWL1T0E

[muman613]

This is his explanation, which is what I already understood... He did not say that soldiers should disobey, just that he would have a moral problem of conscience, which is a reason to be excused from such an action...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4323142,00.html


Bennett, an officer with the IDF's reserve corps, said in interviews earlier this week that his conscience wouldn't allow him to kick a person out of his land, be it a Jew or an Arab.
 
"You won't hear me calling for disobedience because that would devastate the army," he told Ynet on Wednesday. "But as a soldier, if I were to be ordered to expel someone, I would say that I can't and that I'm willing to pay the price." He reiterated the remarks in an interview with Channel 2 on Thursday.
 
On Saturday, after his comments caused a stir, he tried to qualify his statements.
 
"I spoke from the bottom of my heart on Thursday and I won't apologize for it," he told reporters.


I suppose you could say that it was assumed that his initial statement called on others to disobey, then maybe he flipped. But I believe it was a good thing to express the idea that there are orders which a Jew should have problems obeying.

See what David Bedein says about this...

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dbedein/the-moral-imperative-to-refuse-an-immoral-or-illegal-military-order-in-israel/

[muman613]

At various times on this forum, you have supported, defended, or minimized the actions of Lewinsky, Shas/Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and the fake Kahanists (whose names do not need to be mentioned). In particular I vividly remember that you once wrote "Bibi is a good Jew, not as tough as we are, but a good Jew." I guess you think JTF has unfairly misunderstood them all. I guess there is no reason for Chaim to be in Israel since the existing "right" that we have basically consists of good people that just occasionally make mistakes.

You again distort what has happened historically. In most of these cases you mention I would not join in CURSING them as you liberally curse them. And I will stand by that, I do not curse them... They are not perfect, they may have done wrong, but a Jew doesn't curse another Jew, especially not in front of non-Jews... At least most of the good Jews I know don't do this, and the Rabbis do not suggest that we should do so either. Chaim is aware of this, as you well know, and I have heard what he said on Ask JTF when you ask him to curse certain people.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I've abided by Chaim's wishes just fine. He says that we must not hate the fake Kahanists--that's fine by me. We can all still point out that they are phonies who would say and do anything to get elected, which is what he does. You seem to be confusing "not hating" with "supporting" in the case of Bennett. Chaim has explained why we must not support him. You can choose to do so, but don't expect most of JTF to agree with you.

[muman613]

I've abided by Chaim's wishes just fine. He says that we must not hate the fake Kahanists--that's fine by me. We can all still point out that they are phonies who would say and do anything to get elected, which is what he does. You seem to be confusing "not hating" with "supporting" in the case of Bennett. Chaim has explained why we must not support him. You can choose to do so, but don't expect most of JTF to agree with you.

I have also not said explicitly I support him. I simply want to be able to make the decision myself whether he said what some people say he said. I do not know enough to make a very good point one way or the other. I just know what I read on A7 and other sites. But I also detected a bit of twisting by the left of what he said, which was jumped on by some of what is called the phony right... This is all I am saying.

[muman613]

Good find Dan.... And it is an interesting plan.... But it does involve giving up territory which should not be given up.

But here we are confronted with the issue of removing the current arab population. As we are believers in Kahanes vision, we believe that they should be relocated to areas outside of Israel. But at this point in time I don't think the Israeli public, and the world, is prepared for this approach. So while I agree he is walking a very suspect path by giving up Jewish land he is attempting to avoid political suicide by having to explain how to deal with those arabs in areas A + B...

Thank you for this video...

PS: As far as I can tell he did not create Areas A,B, & C... They are currently areas defined by the government.

[muman613]

This article discusses this plan in some more detail.... But it reveals something I was not aware of. Bennet has been a part of Yesha council which has a history of failing to support the Settlers...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163386#.UODdm2L1T0E

Jewish Home chairman Naftali Bennett says he will propose to the Knesset that Israel annex Area C and offer citizenship to some 50,000 Arabs.

The area is under the complete control of Israel's government under the Oslo Accords document signed by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority in the early 1990s. All the Israelis in Judea and Samaria live in Area C and only 4% of the Palestinian Arabs live in that zone, with the rest in Areas A and B. The three zones were defined in the Oslo II Interim Agreement of 1995.

Bennett says he is under no illusions that the Arab residents of the zone desire to be Israeli citizens. But the newly-installed party head, an immigrant from the United States, says it's the best alternative.

A former head of the Yesha Council and a resident of the Judean community of Neve Daniel, Bennett has advocated for annexation of Area C for a long time, making it part of his party's platform. He pointed out that there are more than 300,000 Jews and only 55,000 Arabs currently living in the zone, which comprises a bit more than 60 percent of the total area of Judea and Samaria.
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[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

This article discusses this plan in some more detail.... But it reveals something I was not aware of. Bennet has been a part of Yesha council which has a history of failing to support the Settlers...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163386#.UODdm2L1T0E

This is another one of those "that's all I need to know about him" issues. Anyone who has belonged to or supported the Auschwitz Council should lose their Israeli citizenship and be exiled to Garbage City in Cairo or Sadr City in Iraq.

[Yerusha]

Is there anyone on Bennett's list whom we should particularly watch out for, pro or against?

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Here is a recent video from Naftali Bennett's ZooTube account where he lays out a so-called plan that divides Judea & Samaria up into 3 districts, and 2 of those districts are given away to terrorist control.  He may not support kicking Jews out of their homes, but he clearly does not support continued settlement of Israel nor does he care about dealing decisively with the terror threat.  He seems to worry too much about being called "apartheid" by the world when the leader of Israel needs to be someone who will do what's right and tell the world to go screw themselves.  His plan is just more weakness and something we could expect from a Yesha Council guy.

Naftali Bennett very obviously agrees with the Oslo paradigm.   Anyone who listens to what he says can comprehend that.   Some here refuse to listen to what he says, though.  Or, they only want to listen when he says something likable.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Naftali Bennett very obviously agrees with the Oslo paradigm.   Anyone who listens to what he says can comprehend that.   Some here refuse to listen to what he says, though.  Or, they only want to listen when he says something likable.

Agreed. And people say that Mitt Romney flipflopped. Next to Bennett, the Mormon is positively a paragon of unflinching conviction.

[Secularbeliever]

lol, I didn't say that I know anything.   I just asked a question.

It's a logical question because he is the former chief of staff of Bibi Netanyahu.    Since you didn't know that information, you thought my question was out of left field, but in fact, it's really not.   It's a very pertinent question to ask.

If we do not at least consider this possibility we are doing ourselves a disservice.   I am sick and tired of Jews being deceived and betrayed.

Let me suggest you try substituting Kahane Was Right BT for Bennett and sexual deviant for "mole for Nethanyahi" and you will understand why we do not accuse people of things without any proof.  Do unto others as you would have them do to you.  A perfect application. 

[Binyamin Yisrael]

Bennett doesn't claim to be Kahanist, just a Religious Zionst.

[Meerkat]

I'm somewhat skeptical but optimistic about Bennet. Before I support or oppose him I want to see what he does in the Knesset. Him being from the yesha council is a massive turn-off for me.

[Yerusha]

Bayit Yehudi's English website
http://baityehudi.org.il/englp/

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

Bayit Yehudi's English website
http://baityehudi.org.il/englp/

 Did not know that Jeremy Gimpel was in that party.

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

Let me suggest you try substituting Kahane Was Right BT for Bennett and sexual deviant for "mole for Nethanyahi" and you will understand why we do not accuse people of things without any proof.  Do unto others as you would have them do to you.  A perfect application.

But if I had worked for a pimp before as his PR specialist, then it would be a valid question to ask about me!  "Perfect application," indeed.    It so happens that no, I was never employed by a pimp.

You made the same mistake as tag mechir by assuming that there is no logical train of thought involved.  It's not a blanket accusation out of left field.   It's a sensible question because how can you expect this person to magically change his ideological stripes all of a sudden considering who he worked for and what vision he adopted before?    If not a literal mole of netanyahu, he is even more likely another version of netanyahu who wears a kipa but wants the power and leadership for himself, not to play second fiddle to netayahu anymore.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Let me suggest you try substituting Kahane Was Right BT for Bennett and sexual deviant for "mole for Nethanyahi" and you will understand why we do not accuse people of things without any proof.  Do unto others as you would have them do to you.  A perfect application.

This is getting way out of hand. Chaim addressed the matter both on the forum and at length in Ask JTF. It's just unbelievable that even in the face of that that this poser has as many defenders as he does. Bennett will say and do absolutely anything to get elected because he stands for nothing and lives for nothing besides his massive riches.

[Tag-MehirTzedek]

This is getting way out of hand. Chaim addressed the matter both on the forum and at length in Ask JTF. It's just unbelievable that even in the face of that that this poser has as many defenders as he does. Bennett will say and do absolutely anything to get elected because he stands for nothing and lives for nothing besides his massive riches.

 first off I thought you were for free market and for people prospering? He made millions off his company, and your point?

 Secondly your newest "screen name" is ridiculous and "  getting way out of hand" . Why cant we disagree with him without using such language?

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

I am not using needlessly harsh language. Chaim called him an evil opportunist and fraud.

His wealth matters a whole lot. It proves that he is yet another greedy elite with no love for his people. With his megafortune, he could make the hilltop movement huge if he wanted to and fund a legal and media campaign that would certainly get Chaim into Israel. He is no different from the Tel Aviv media and entertainment leftists that just want to enjoy their cushy lives behind the bars of gated neighborhoods.

[Secularbeliever]

But if I had worked for a pimp before as his PR specialist, then it would be a valid question to ask about me!  "Perfect application," indeed.    It so happens that no, I was never employed by a pimp.

You made the same mistake as tag mechir by assuming that there is no logical train of thought involved.  It's not a blanket accusation out of left field.   It's a sensible question because how can you expect this person to magically change his ideological stripes all of a sudden considering who he worked for and what vision he adopted before?    If not a literal mole of netanyahu, he is even more likely another version of netanyahu who wears a kipa but wants the power and leadership for himself, not to play second fiddle to netayahu anymore.

If he was hiding his past affiliations with Nethanyahu I would agree with you.  I understand Chaim's criticism but let's face it politics is a dirty business that tends to turn politicians into people who are less than 100% truthful.  Since Chaim is not running and not endorsing anybody the reality is that people are left to choose between Bibi and Benett.  Is it right or wrong to prefer Benett?  Time will tell.

[Secularbeliever]

This is getting way out of hand. Chaim addressed the matter both on the forum and at length in Ask JTF. It's just unbelievable that even in the face of that that this poser has as many defenders as he does. Bennett will say and do absolutely anything to get elected because he stands for nothing and lives for nothing besides his massive riches.

Obviously money is something he knows how to obtain.  He is not a career politician and does not need the job as a Knesset member.  I consider that a positive.  I am willing to give him a chance since the alternative is Bibi, someone we know we don't want.

[בַּחַמַל]

I just hope he doesn't turn out to be a sex pervert like Olmert.

[realist26]

Bennett is not a kahanist and does not profess to be a kahanist.  However, there is a role for him to play as a religious guy with charisma that will attract some people a little further towards the right.  His emergence is so far a positive

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

If he was hiding his past affiliations with Nethanyahu I would agree with you.  I understand Chaim's criticism but let's face it politics is a dirty business that tends to turn politicians into people who are less than 100% truthful.  Since Chaim is not running and not endorsing anybody the reality is that people are left to choose between Bibi and Benett.  Is it right or wrong to prefer Benett?  Time will tell.

This is the exact same argument people made with regards to Olmert and Netanyahu.     People said, well, Bibi isn't perfect and isn't a Kahanist but he's better than Olmert!     And yet, he has policy that is no different from Olmert.   In what was is he better?   Because he gives power to Likud party hacks instead of Kadima party hacks?   They have the same exact agenda re the arab enemy.   Same exact corrupt, bankrupt, suicidal, confused national vision.

So now along comes another clone, but this one wears a kipa and leads the Mafdal party.   He has he same 2-state vision and he will not support the settlers and he will not oppose the establishment.    And now I'm told, well, he's not perfect but he's better than Netanyahu.   How so?    And how many times for this pattern to repeat itself before people start realizing that these hacks are not going to change anything unless they have a Kahanist outlook and completely reject the paradigm of current Israeli leadership.