Who to Vote for in the Likud Primary?

[muman613]

This report sounds like something interesting...

http://www.israelmatzav.blogspot.com/

Likud primary to continue Monday

Unsurprisingly, the Likud primary will continue Monday at 50-60 polling locations (you need not vote in your local one) from 9:00 am - 9:00 pm.

And if you're wondering for whom to vote....

Right-wing NGO Matot Arim released a list of MKs who voted for and against the disengagement from Gaza in 2005, saying it “caused the current military fiasco in the South.”

Only Public Diplomacy and Diaspora Affairs Minister Yuli Edelstein, Environmental Protection Minister Gilad Erdan and Deputy Regional Development Minister Ayoub Kara had perfect voting records against the disengagement.

Matot Arim also listed MKs Danon, Ze’ev Elkin, Yariv Levin and Tzipi Hotovely as having the most nationalist and pro-settlement voting records in the 18th Knesset.

Meanwhile, The Nationalist Camp, a highly influential right-wing Likud voters group led by Shevach Stern and Natan Englesman, recommended many of the MKs listed above, including Edelstein, Elkin, Hotovely and Levin, as well as Manhigut Yehudit leader Moshe Feiglin, who is expected to make it into the next Knesset.

MK Haim Katz has been called the most powerful man in the Likud, with influence over nearly 10,000 party members as the head of the Israel Air Industries (IAI) union. Katz has made a deal supporting Transportation Minister Israel Katz and several other, less-known candidates, like IAI engineer Meir Malka in the Shfela regional spot.

With recent polls giving a joint Likud-Yisrael Beytenu list 34-38 seats, 97 candidates are competing for 24-25 spots in Sunday’s Likud primary, in which 125,351 party members were eligible to vote.

Yisrael Beytenu’s list is chosen via a selection committee, and their spots on the joint list have yet to be decided, other than Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman, who will be No. 2.

Of the Likud’s 27 MKs in the 18th Knesset, only Netanyahu is guaranteed to make it into the 19th. The second to 21st spots are elected to the national list with ensured representation for two women and one new immigrant. The 22nd and 23rd spots are for the Shfela and Dan regions, followed by the 24th for a new female candidate and the 25th for minorities.

Six MKs – Culture and Sport Minister Limor Livnat, Gamliel, Hotovely, Deputy Minister Leah Nass, Miri Regev and former Kadima MK Yulia Shamolov-Berkovich – are competing for the 10th and 20th spots saved for women. If more than two women are elected in the top 20, those spots are no longer saved, and the women are ranked according to the number of votes they receive.

Hmmm. We only got to vote for 12 MK's from the national list and one from Jerusalem.

I had a privately recommended list, which was similar to, but not exactly the same as the two lists above. I will not disclose it without permission from the person who gave it to me.

[בַּחַמַל]

There is no one to vote for.  I'm listening to the JTF show that just came out, I doubt Chaim will endorse a single candidate this time around.  Vote for G-D.  Only G-D can save the world now.

[muman613]

There is no one to vote for.  I'm listening to the JTF show that just came out, I doubt Chaim will endorse a single candidate this time around.  Vote for G-D.  Only G-D can save the world now.

I do not suggest that Chaim endorses them. But i disagree that it is possible to change things without voting for parties which best represent our view. Of course no existing party is satisfactory but we can at least try to prevent more concessions.

[בַּחַמַל]

There is no party that is anti-concession.  If you think for one moment that the rabbit-toothed Naftali Bennet will be a hawk, then you're in for a big surprise.

Chaim has correctly stated that the Israeli fraudulent right is not like the fraudulent American right.  The Israeli fraudulent right is actually more dangerous than the Israeli left.  So it is better to vote for Avoda than to vote for Shas, Ichud HaLeumi, Mafdal, or Likud.  Therefore, don't vote, pray.

[Yerusha]

'The Likud is neveiloh!" (R.Kahane 1977)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162501

Ketzaleh: Even the 'Best' Likudniks Can't Change Party Policy

Disengagement, building freeze, demolishing of 'outposts' - these were all Likud inventions. The Likud cannot be trusted, says Ketzaleh.

Candidates running in Sunday's Likud primary have gone out of their way to emphasize their right-wing sensibilities, but even the rightest of the right Likudniks were unable to stop their party from undertaking one of the most devastating blows to the philosophy of love of the Land of Israel – the disengagement from Gaza and Northern Samaria. While former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon – still in bed in a comatose state – broke away to form Kadima before the actual destruction of the communities in Gush Katif, he was a Likud Prime Minister, and many of the forming members of Kadima were, along with him, Likud refugees.
 
This is the history that National Union Chairman MK Ya'akov Katz (Ketzaleh) describes on his Facebook page, and it's something all Likud members voting in Sunday's primaries should think deeply about.
 
“Even if the Likud primaries produces a slate that consists of 'our kind of people,' even if they themselves live in Judea and Samaria, we must be aware that the leaders of the party were able to lead Likud MKs to do things that the founders of the party would never have imagined,” Ketzaleh writes on this page.
 
That goes for all members of the party, even the most right-wing. “Even the 'best' members of the Likud were unable to prevent the destruction of Gush Katif, and neither could they prevent the building freeze in Judea and Samaria,” which was led not by Ariel Sharon, but by current Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu. “And worst of all, they could not prevent the demolishing of hundreds of buildings and the prevention of construction of hundreds more by the Likud government.”
 
Neither, he adds, could right-wing Likud MKs stop their leader from expressing his desire for to see “two states for two peoples.”
 
Some members of the Likud believe it is possible to change the party from within, but Ketzaleh respectfully disagrees. “The only solution is to support the two sister parties, the National Union and Bayit Yehudi under the leadership of Naftali Bennett. This list must be able to produce 14 mandates, in order to be a main pillar of the next government and a senior coalition partner that will be a moral and nationalistic anchor for the government,” he added.
 

[muman613]

Yerusha, I posted about that earlier today...

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,65644.msg571285.html#msg571285

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

There is no one to vote for.  I'm listening to the JTF show that just came out, I doubt Chaim will endorse a single candidate this time around.  Vote for G-D.  Only G-D can save the world now.

God isn't on the Likud ballot.  You do realize what a primary is, right?   

[Kahane-Was-Right BT]

There is no party that is anti-concession.  If you think for one moment that the rabbit-toothed Naftali Bennet will be a hawk, then you're in for a big surprise.

Chaim has correctly stated that the Israeli fraudulent right is not like the fraudulent American right.  The Israeli fraudulent right is actually more dangerous than the Israeli left.  So it is better to vote for Avoda than to vote for Shas, Ichud HaLeumi, Mafdal, or Likud.  Therefore, don't vote, pray.

There are still better and worse people in likud.   First and foremost, the worst - Bibi Netanyahu!    And so, if one had the ability to vote in the likud primary, they would be wise to select candidates whom Bibi does not desire at the top of his list.   That is a very clear, easy practical way to block bibi's agenda - to whatever extent that will block it, it's worth making that effort.   Of course, it may not completely stop him, but it definitely makes it tougher for him.

Jews are supposed to pray no matter what - whether a person votes or not.   So it doesn't make any sense to pray in lieu of voting.   Or in lieu of much of anything for that matter.

[cjd]

There are still better and worse people in likud.   First and foremost, the worst - Bibi Netanyahu!    And so, if one had the ability to vote in the likud primary, they would be wise to select candidates whom Bibi does not desire at the top of his list.   That is a very clear, easy practical way to block bibi's agenda - to whatever extent that will block it, it's worth making that effort.   Of course, it may not completely stop him, but it definitely makes it tougher for him.

Jews are supposed to pray no matter what - whether a person votes or not.   So it doesn't make any sense to pray in lieu of voting.   Or in lieu of much of anything for that matter.

Quite true...People should pray all they feel the need to however they also should get out and vote for what seems to be the best solution for the problem... Talk of voting for G-d, protesting by avoiding the ballot box are all things that in the end will insure the worse outcome... I don't know just where the saying originated from but I have always found it to be very true... "G-d helps them that help themselves"... It's always better to vote for the best possible outcome than not vote at all.