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Offline Mein Koran

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How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« on: January 28, 2013, 09:31:57 AM »
First you should understand their argments. The bottom line is:Was Muhammad a prophet? When this question is asked by a Jew Muslims will use the following arguments (these arguments were started by Ahmed Deedat and Zakir Naik you should watch their videos for more background on these arguments):

1.They think that Muhammad was the prophet "like Moses" in Deuteronomy 18:18. Obviously anyone who has read the Tanakh knows that the prophet "like Moses" is Moses' successor Joshua (Joshua 1:5, Joshua 3:7, Joshua 3:9)

2. They think Muhammad was mentioned by name in Songs of Solomon 5:16. This is not true. FIrst of all the context is whack, this chapter is talking about sexy people not prophets. Second Muslims will claim the -Im attached to the saidname is a plural of respect like queen elizabeth uses. The plural of respect is only used for God in the Tanakh.

3. They believe that Isaiah 27:29 is a prophesy about an illiterate prophet. If you tell them to read the chapter in context they will see its only referring to the ignorance of a city.

4. They will then claim the Torah and the Tanakh are corrupt. (Muhammad was the first person to invent a jewish conspiracy theory). Tell them about the dead sea scrolls which proves that the script we have today is exactly th same as 2000 years ago. This contradicts Islam because Islam teaches in Sahih Bukhari that the jews changed the text after losing a debate with Muhammad.

Go onto any of the following sites an bring up these points : www.islam-chat.org, www.ummah.com, www.islamicawakening.com, www.arabchat.org. You may only bring one person out but then this person will continue to spread these points and bring others out. A small difference is still a difference. And it shows them the dont have as much foundation to their religion as they think they do.
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2013, 07:26:20 PM »
What criteria must be met for determining if someone is a prophet?

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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 08:38:37 PM »
Well for one they have t be from the line of jacob. Muhammad was not from the line of Jacob, but Ishmael
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 08:45:47 PM »
Muhammad isn't a prophet however there are gentile prophets in the Tanakh. Balaam was a prophet not part of the lineage of Jacob.

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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 08:47:23 PM »
Muhammad isn't a prophet however there are gentile prophets in the Tanakh. Balaam was a prophet not part of the lineage of Jacob.

Right but a gentile prophet would never claim to be a prophet for the Jews as well. Also he would never contradict the noahide law of prohibition of murder.
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 08:52:42 PM »
Well the thing that sticks out about the Quran is that it tells bible stories in ways that don't make sense. For instance when it mentions Haman it talks about him having to do with Egypt but Haman has to do with Persia in the bible. There are other things in the Quran that are just wrong from a biblical perspective.

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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 11:13:58 PM »
The Muslim response would be that the bible is corrupted and the Qur'an actually got it right. There is a reason Muslims believe in every conspiracy theory in the world and that is because their religion is founded on a conspiracy theory
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 12:53:04 AM »
Is it true that in the koran, they refer to Miriam the sister of Moses as the same Miriam/Mary from the "New Testament"? Or how they said that the Pharaoh and Haman were friends or he was friends with another king who was not even alive during the time of Exodus?

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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2013, 07:23:35 PM »
Is it true that in the koran, they refer to Miriam the sister of Moses as the same Miriam/Mary from the "New Testament"? Or how they said that the Pharaoh and Haman were friends or he was friends with another king who was not even alive during the time of Exodus?

Muslims will always claim that Mary had a secret brother that we don't know about or that it was just referring to her clan. Anyone with a monocum of intelligence will know this is a false claim since Muhammad repeatedly referred to Mary as the sister of Aaron in hadiths. As for haman, Muslims try to ludicrously claim that the Quran got this right because there is a stone engraving about an ancient Egyptian merchant named haman-hatep. Obviously anyone with a monocum of reason could see through this as well
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2013, 07:30:09 PM »
Could you talk alittle bit about sat*n being in the nostril of Muha*mad, if this is true.
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2013, 07:49:14 PM »
Could you talk alittle bit about sat*n being in the nostril of Muha*mad, if this is true.
There are at least two authentic hadiths about this and many more weak and questionable hadiths on this topic. Muhammad said that when you wake up in the middle of the night you must wash the inside of your nose three times since satan lives there. This is probably something the pre-Islamic Arabs believed which he carried over
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 02:14:06 PM »
2. They think Muhammad was mentioned by name in Songs of Solomon 5:16. This is not true. FIrst of all the context is whack, this chapter is talking about sexy people not prophets. Second Muslims will claim the -Im attached to the saidname is a plural of respect like queen elizabeth uses. The plural of respect is only used for God in the Tanakh.


Song of Songs is not a love story. It is an allegory. The literal translation is false. That's why ArtScroll's translation is allegorical according to Rashi.


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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2013, 03:15:17 PM »


Song of Songs is not a love story. It is an allegory. The literal translation is false. That's why ArtScroll's translation is allegorical according to Rashi.

Regardless, Muslims always try to show that there's "porn" in the bible and they always use Song of Songs to prove this. Why are they quoting a book they consider pornographic to show Muhammad?

Muhammad is not in there no matter what the meaning
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Re: How you can get Muslims to leave Islam
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 08:12:43 PM »
http://www.faithfreedom.org/

this website. I would have trouble trusting ex muslims who have been raised and brought up with this primitive ideology their entire life though.