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Offline kahaneloyalist

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Avisha Raviv
« on: March 24, 2013, 07:16:55 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avishai_Raviv The wikipedia article about the provocateur Avishai Raviv is a load of leftist   nonsense. I have been trying to edit it but wikipedia keeps changing it back.
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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2013, 07:59:55 PM »
This is what the article looks like as of now. It seems reasonable to me.
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Avishai Raviv was an agent of Israel's Shin Bet or Shabak, Israel's domestic intelligence service whose mission was to encourage and fabricate activities of right-wing extremists. His code name was 'Champagne'.[1][2]

Raviv was a student at Tel Aviv University and was expelled for violent behavior. He was later a student at Bar Ilan University.[3]

Under orders from the Shin Bet Raviv created Eyal to perpetrate acts of violence to discredit the Israel right wing. Raviv recruited Yigal Amir, a religious law student from Bar-Ilan University, who fiercely opposed the Oslo Accords. [4]

At one protest, Raviv was filmed with a picture of Rabin in an SS uniform prior to Rabin's murder.[1] Raviv allegedly knew of Yigal Amir's plans to assassinate Israel's prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, based on a controversial classification of handing over Jewish land in the category of "din rodef" ("law of the pursuer"). According to Jewish law, anyone who is classified as a pursuer, must be killed immediately. The classification of a forfeiter of land as a rodef states that "If a Jew gives up the land of other Jews to Goyim, and he persists in this, that is, he gives up the land of three or more Jews, he is a Rodef." Uri Dan, a journalist close to Ariel Sharon, wrote that witnesses heard Raviv tell Amir: "Be a man! Kill him already!" [5]

After Rabin was assassinated, the journalist Amnon Abramowitch revealed that Raviv was an agent of the Shabak.

Raviv was brought to trial in 2000 for not preventing Rabin's assassination. Raviv mounted a successful defense on the grounds that he had just been doing his job and events had spun out of control.

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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2013, 08:29:17 PM »
The classification of a forfeiter of land as a rodef states that "If a Jew gives up the land of other Jews to Goyim, and he persists in this, that is, he gives up the land of three or more Jews, he is a Rodef."

 Where did the writer get the number 3? Its even 1 and its Din Mosser (someone who hands over Jews or Jewish property).
 Also Din Rodef has to do with the fact that he gave guns to the Arabs who did and would use the guns against Jews and also giving them opportunity to kill more Jews. That is why Din Rodef.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2013, 08:42:39 PM »
Professional agents provocateurs like Raviv & Bin Gvir have fun: they actually get paid $$$ by the Leftists for inciting against the Leftists with impunity, and often deliver the goods by facilitating the assassination of a Leftist in the process! As Raviv said as he walked away a free man from the trial: "You Rightists don't know anything about the whole story. One day my actions will be fully justified before Hashem!"


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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2013, 08:51:45 PM »
Professional agents provocateurs like Raviv & Bin Gvir have fun: they actually get paid $$$ by the Leftists for inciting against the Leftists with impunity, and often deliver the goods by facilitating the assassination of a Leftist in the process! As Raviv said as he walked away a free man from the trial: "You Rightists don't know anything about the whole story. One day my actions will be fully justified before Hashem!"

Oh, and because he said that, you believe him!

That's what all criminals say.   

You just pick and choose who are the "good guys" and "bad guys" in your mind and then you believe every word your "good guys" say.   What a stupid life philosophy.

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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2013, 08:58:19 PM »
It doesn't look too bad because I just edited it today.
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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 01:58:04 AM »
To Tag-MehirTzedek
See Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat chapter 388 halachas 9-11 regarding the legal difference between a person who gives over Jewish property or his fellow Jews to evil gentiles one time versus three times.

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Re: Avisha Raviv
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 09:54:23 AM »
To Tag-MehirTzedek
See Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat chapter 388 halachas 9-11 regarding the legal difference between a person who gives over Jewish property or his fellow Jews to evil gentiles one time versus three times.

 Post me the quote if you will. 

 I don't think their should be or is much difference between 1 time vs. 3. For example if someone kidnapps a Jew and hands him over to an occupying authority (like the British) they are traitors even if done once.
 Also in the Gemarah where Rav Kahane (of the Talmudh) killed the Jew who was handing over Jewish property over to a gentile ruler. It was only 1 time and they told him that he did well for killing him, but now he needs to flee because the Persians will demand his blood.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.