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President Shimon Peres has called Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's insistence on Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish state "unnecessary" and a possible impediment to peace talks. In conversations with diplomatic and political officials in recent weeks, Peres said it was possible to reach an agreement with the Palestinians now, with American assistance.

Despite the relationship between Netanyahu and Peres being described as "strained" of late, Peres publicly aims to maintain a unified front and does not contradict Netanyahu's stance that Israel must be recognized as a Jewish state. In public, Peres states that Israel is a Jewish country, although he says its security will be assured only with the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Peres and Netanyahu were expected to fly together on Wednesday to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Peres' office has declined comment on the matter.

Peres' stance is similar to that of Yesh Atid Chairman and Finance Minister Yair Lapid, who, in an interview last month, called the demand for recognition of Israel as a Jewish state "nonsense." Netanyahu, however, continues to tout the demand as the heart of the conflict, saying that while it was not a condition for entering negotiations, it is a condition for completing them.

Netanyahu addressed the issue on Tuesday at a press conference in Jerusalem with visiting Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"Now, there are two things that I want to puncture, two prevailing myths," Netanyahu said. "The first one, which was repeated ad nauseam ... until recently, everybody who knew anything about the Middle East explained that ... the core of the conflict in the Middle East was the Palestinian problem.

"The core of the many conflicts of the Middle East is not the Palestinian conflict. But what is the core of the Palestinian conflict itself? And here you have another great myth, and the myth is that the core is basically the settlements.

"This conflict began in 1920, 1921, with the attack on the Jewish immigration depot -- murderous attack -- in Jaffa ... and it continued right up to 1967 when the West Bank, Judea, Samaria, and Gaza were firmly in Arab hands.

"Hamas in not interested in the settlements; they got the settlements. Hamas is not interested in territory; they got the territory. Hamas is not interested in the '67 borders; they got it. Hamas is interested in eliminating Israel.

"Here's the core of the conflict and here is the key to its solution: The core of the conflict is not settlements; the core of the conflict is not the territories; the core of the conflict is not the absence of a Palestinian state. The core of the conflict is the persistent refusal to reconcile to an independent nation-state of the Jewish people.

"If the Palestinians expect me and my people to recognize a nation-state for the Palestinian people, surely we can expect them to recognize a nation-state for the Jewish people. After all, we've only been here four millennia. That's it; that's what this is about.

"And you know, when that begins, that will be a great day. When that actually happens, when there is a Palestinian leader -- I hope it's [Palestinian Authority President] Mr. [Mahmoud] Abbas -- when he has the courage to give what I call the Birzeit speech, because I gave a speech at Bar-Ilan University in which I spoke about two states for two peoples ... if he's willing to do that, that'll be important. Does it guarantee that this will percolate into the Palestinian society? I don't know. They've been, you know, using a lot of incitement and a culture of hate has been instilled there for generations, but it's a beginning. It's an important beginning, a necessary beginning."

Netanyahu and Kerry to meet in Davos

During his stay at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Netanyahu is expected to meet with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry to discuss the principles of a framework agreement with the Palestinians.

Ra'am-Ta'al MK Ahmad Tibi, who is close to Abbas, said on Tuesday that Kerry was taking a sympathetic stance toward Israel, mentioning two issues. The first was Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as a capital of their future state, and on which Kerry suggested a stance Israel can live with, reframing the demand as "the Palestinians have ambitions for Jerusalem."

The second issue deals with security arrangements. Having originally set a limited Israeli presence for a period of between 10 and 40 years, Kerry is no longer talking about a limited period, but "a period that will be followed by a decision based on performance if an Israeli presence should remain in the area."

The decision on security and Israeli presence in the Jordan Valley is to be made by the Israelis. According to Tibi, the Palestinians do not agree with this decision, and diplomatic officials in Jerusalem have confirmed that these proposals are being discussed.

Meanwhile, Abbas has said he does not agree to extending the length of negotiations past the nine months initially allotted.

"We will not agree to extending the negotiations. It was agreed in advance that the negotiations would last nine months, we have had many rounds of talks so there is no reason to talk about extending, rather we should focus on the remaining time," he said on Tuesday in a joint press conference with Romanian President Traian Basescu.

"Our goal is to end the Israeli occupation that began in 1967," Abbas said. "We want an independent and sovereign state with east Jerusalem as its capital, [a state] that will live side by side with Israel in security and with good relations."

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Re: Senile Kapo Peres: Recognition of Israel as Jewish state 'unnecessary'
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 05:13:54 PM »
Peres opposed bombing Iraq's nuclear facility in 81.
Peres opposed Israel going into Jenin in 2002 after Palestinian homicide bombers from Jenin were slaughtering Israeli civilians, including the Passover massacre.
Peres opposed going into Jenin cause he was more concerned about his legacy and appeasing Arafat who was behind the atrocities of Israeli civilians. 
Peres opposed killing Yassin in 2004.
Peres wants to divide Jerusalem and give away the Jewish Golan.
This is why we need Chaim to stand up to these Kapos's like Peres.
Peres go leave like Barak did.  Israel will be so much better off.

Its very important to remember how Peres opposed Israel going into Jenin in 2002, when Israel went into there to stop the Arab Nazi Homicide bombers from slaughtering more Israeli civilians.
Peres is a total opportunist.  Back then even with Arafat ordering terrorist atrocities against Israeli civilians, Peres still kept appeasing Arafat.
Peres was obsessed with his legacy of Oslo and didn't care how many Jews were slaughtered by Arab terrorists because of Oslo.

Then when Israel went to defeat the Fatah Terrorists Peres gave a base to with Oslo, Peres showed his true appeasement style.
Read this article from 2002, which shows how Peres lied cause he was obsessed with appeasing Arafat and Oslo.

Remember, In 2002 the IDF, once and for all, broke down the terrorist infrastructure in Jenin and either killed the top Arab terrorists and threw the other thugs in jail.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/663308/posts
Peres calls IDF operation in Jenin a 'massacre'
Ha'aretz ^ | 9 April 2002 | Aluf Benn and Amos Harel
4/10/2002

Foreign Minister Shimon Peres Peres is very worried about the expected international reaction as soon as the world learns the details of the tough battle in the Jenin refugee camps, where more than 100 Palestinians have already been killed in fighting with IDF forces. In private, Peres is referring to the battle as a "massacre."

IDF officers also expressed grave reservations Monday over the operation in Jenin. "Because of the dangers," they said, "the soldiers are almost not advancing on foot. The bulldozers are simply 'shaving' the homes and causing terrible destruction. When the world sees the pictures of what we have done there, it will do us immense damage."

"However many wanted men we kill in the refugee camp, and however much of the terror infrastructure we expose and destroy there, there is still no justification for causing such great destruction."

Peres, who is feeling increasingly isolated in the government - Sharon added three hardline ministers to his cabinet Monday - believes Arafat is still irreplaceable at this stage.

He does not regard the documents that Sharon presented Monday in the Knesset as a "smoking gun" that irrefutably proves that Arafat was directly linked to ordering terrorist activity. And Israel's isolation of the Palestinian leader, he believes, only enhanced his prestige and turned him into the key player.

Despite his harsh criticism, however, and his belief that Labor will not be able to remain much longer in the government, Peres is in no hurry to quit. He is telling his closest associates that after the fighting ends and U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell has visited, the decision will be made. If Powell presents a political plan, Labor will want to fight for it in the government.
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Peres who was the main person behind the Oslo Accords that resulted in the Terror war with thousands of Israelis getting murdered and maimed by PLO terrorists. Now Peres supports Kerry's Surrender Initiative to decapitate and dismember Israel. How convenient.