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 Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke and Iran’s Press TV Praise Presbytarian Church USA’s Anti-Israel Report
February 13, 2014 11:33 am 1 comment   
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At a Holocaust Denial Conference, in 2006, David Duke shakes hands with former Iranian President Ahmadinejad.

At a Holocaust Denial Conference, in 2006, David Duke shakes hands with former Iranian President Ahmadinejad.

David Duke, a former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and Louisiana State Representative, joined with Press TV, a semi-official Iranian government news agency, in praising a report condemning Israel that was published by Presbytarian Church USA.

The church made headlines in 2012 for a proposal, that was ultimately voted down by its members, to divest from Caterpillar Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Motorola because of their activities in Israel. Duke has also recently been in the news after being expelled from Italy “for his racist and anti-Semitic views” by an Italian judge, and from Germany, as “undesirable foreigner” on the eve of a planned lecture for a group of a hundred neo-Nazis.

On his blog, the former KKK leader said, “In a major breakthrough in the worldwide struggle against Zionist extremism, the largest Presbyterian church in the United States, the PC(USA), has issued a formal statement calling Zionism ‘Jewish Supremacism’ — a term first coined and made popular by Dr. David Duke.”

In Duke’s blog post, he wrote that the guide, titled ‘Zionism Unsettled,’ was released ahead of the church’s biennial General Assembly, scheduled for June, in Detroit, where a similar recommendation to divest from companies that work with Israel will be presented. Duke noted the 2012 attempt was only narrowly defeated, with a tally of 333-331, with two abstentions.

Duke wrote,“’Zionism Unsettled’ is not only an attack on Israel and its Jewish supporters. It criticizes the Catholic Church’s landmark 1965 Nostra Aetate, which opened the door for a new relationship between Jews and Catholics, saying that the declaration ‘raises as many questions as it answers.” It also “features an entire chapter panning Evangelical Christian support for Israel,” he said.

Iran’s Press TV wrote, “A Presbyterian Church group has described Zionism as the single reason behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying it is destroying the lives of both Palestinians and Jewish communities across the world.”

“The study guide, dubbed Zionism Unsettled, also argues that most Jews reject Zionism and choose to live outside the Israeli-occupied Palestinian lands, depicting Jewish life inside the Islamic Republic of Iran as ‘alive and well,’” Iran’s Press TV said.

The pamphlet was produced by “The Israel Palestine Network of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.),” with the Reverend Walt Davis, its education co-chair, listed as the point of contact, but he provided no response to an emailed query from The Algemeiner on Thursday
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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 01:24:33 AM »
Isn't David a Hebrew name?
Shouldn't he change it.
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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2014, 01:42:32 AM »
David D**k and the Presbyterian "church" are equally Christian (or not), so it's a match made in Gehenom.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2014, 04:31:59 AM »
Isn't David a Hebrew name?
Shouldn't he change it.

People like him have a warped view that the Hebrew people in the Bible have no connection to the Jewish people today. He believes that the Ashkenazi Jews are really Khazars. So he doesn't see King David as having any connection to what we would consider to be the Jewish people today. It's stupid but that's the explanation.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2014, 08:58:49 AM »
People like him have a warped view that the Hebrew people in the Bible have no connection to the Jewish people today. He believes that the Ashkenazi Jews are really Khazars. So he doesn't see King David as having any connection to what we would consider to be the Jewish people today. It's stupid but that's the explanation.
This guy is good i guess you would call him a Fundamentalist. Presbyterianism Unsettled
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The bureaucrats in Louisville who run the day-to-day operations of the Presbyterian Church (USA) are looking more and more dishonest and stupid with each passing day. For non-Presbyterians, they are a cause for disdain. For the dwindling number of people who actually belong to this church, they are becoming a source of embarrassment.

They are supposed to be religious leaders who tell the truth, but in fact, they behave like politicians offering unbelievable denials and evasions. Oddly enough, it’s the “peacemakers” within the denomination who have gotten them into trouble. (That happens a lot, doesn’t it?)

The source of their trouble is Zionism Unsettled, a nasty little text produced by the Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA). (Remember the name of that organization because it’s important.) This booklet attacks Israel, Jews, Judaism and Zionism in a pretty ugly way.

It’s so bad that David Duke, a neo-Nazi who has cavorted with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a pretty nasty anti-Semite himself, rejoiced when he got his hands on it. (No, I didn’t send it to him!) PressTV even rejoiced. (No, I didn’t send it to them either!)

The fact that David Duke endorsed a document produced by the Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA) (again, remember that name!) was apparently a source of embarrassment for the folks in Louisville.

On Feb. 13, the folks in Louisville tweeted a number of times that they didn’t have anything to do with the document, which was produced by Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA). (I keep repeating that name, don’t I?).

But people weren’t having any of it. People (such as Commentary’s Jonathan Tobin) kept referring to the document as either a “Presbyterian” or “PC(USA)” document.

That rankled the folks in Louisville who finally issued a press release that described the Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA) (that name again!) as an “independent group — which speaks to the church and not for the church.”

The assertion that the Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA) is “independent” of the Presbyterian Church (USA) is patently false.

First, the organization was created by a 2004 resolution of the denomination’s General Assembly.

Then there’s the organization’s name, which includes the words “Presbyterian Church (USA).”

How can anyone honestly believe that the IPMN is independent the PC(USA) when it’s very name includes the entire name of the denomination that created it?

If the IPMN is not part of the Presbyterian Church (USA), then it is infringing on the denomination’s trademark!

There are a number of organizations associated with the Presbyterian Church (USA) – such as The Layman and Presbyterians for Middle East Peace that are independent from the denomination, but IPMN is not one of them. These organizations do not fundraise or distribute their materials through the PC(USA).

By way of comparison, the IPMN raises money through the PC(USA)’s website. And the PC(USA)’s online store is apparently the sole place on the Internet where people can get a copy of Zionism Unsettled, (at least until the IPMN and the folks and Louisville can work out a distribution deal with the people who run David Duke’s website. Maybe James M. Wall, former editor of Christian Century, can broker a deal.)

The point is that IPMN is not “independent” from the PC(USA). It is dependent on the PC(USA).

The authors of the press release invoke that old mainline canard that the IPMN “speaks to and not for” the PC(USA).

I have been hearing this phrase for years. Officials from the United Church of Christ’s headquarters in Cleveland have said this in reference to votes taken at its General Synod.

When people like what the General Synod does, the UCC folks in Cleveland issue press releases saying the UCC declared or approved this or that. But whenever there is any pushback, then the folks in Cleveland will tell you that the General Synod was “speaking to, but not for” the denomination as a whole.

The message is “Oh, that resolution? The one everyone is clobbering us for? We didn’t have anything to do with it. You need to talk to somebody else.”

When you point out that the folks in Cleveland orchestrated the passage of the resolution in question from start to finish (because that’s how they view their jobs), the next gambit is, “You don’t understand our polity.” This is mainline speak for “Good luck trying to find anyone to hold accountable in our church!”

What the Presbyterian mandarins in Louisville are trying to do is portray their lack of oversight over IPMN’s anti-Semitic propaganda as operational independence. This is evident in that part of the press release that reads “The IPMN booklet was neither paid for nor published by the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).”

This raises a number of questions, the most obvious being, “Who did pay for the booklet? The Saudi Royal Family?”

I’m only half joking. There is precedent for this sort of thing. If you look at the tax documents for Americans for Middle East Understanding, the people who publish The Link, an anti-Israel publication cited by Rev. Dr. Gary Burge in his book Whose Land? Whose Promise? (another, um, problematic text), you’ll see that it is funded in part by Saudi Aramco, Saudi Arabia’s state-owned oil company. According to AMEU’s tax documents (990s), Saudi Aramco gave $70,000 to the group in 2012.

If such donations were being given to IPMN, there is no way to know because the organization operates under the aegis of the Presbyterian Church (USA), which does not have to disclose its financial information with the IRS.

And try as I might, I have been unable to find any 990s for the Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (USA), which confirms what I have been saying all along – it’s part of the denomination itself – no matter how many times the folks in Louisville say otherwise. Either that or if the IPMN is independent of the PC(USA) it has violated the law by not submitting its 990s to the IRS.

Which is it?

And what the folks in Louisville don’t seem to understand is that any donations given to the IPMN – even if they go into the organization’s separate bank account – are ultimately donations to the PC(USA) itself – because the IPMN is part of the denomination.

The fact that no adult within the PC(USA) exerts any oversight over the organization does not mean that money given to the IPMN is not ultimately donated to the PC(USA), because it is. No matter how you slice it, the PC(USA) is responsible for the publication of Zionism Unsettled.

PC(USA) officials have tried to hide behind some sort of plausible deniability about the IPMN’s actions for a long time. In 2009, I corresponded with officials in Louisville about the crazy, anti-Semitic stuff published by the IPMN.

The denomination’s Stated Clerk, Gradye Parsons responded to my concerns about IPMN’s website by reporting in an email “The Network operates as an independent organization with full control over their website. You should make direct contact with it if think (sic) changes should be made.” Translation: “You don’t understand our polity.”

Jay Rock the person in charge of the PC(USA)’s interfaith programs responded to my concerns in a similar manner, telling me I got it wrong in asserting that the IPMN was part of the denomination’s “organizational structure.” He continued, “Like our 35 other country and area networks, it is not accountable to any office, nor does it report to any staff person in the PCUSA structure; it also, like the other networks, receives no funding from the church. Please take up your concerns directly with the network.” So there it is again. “You don’t understand our polity.”

In 2010, I corresponded with the now-deceased Cynthia Bolbach soon after she was elected moderator of the PC(USA). She said she wasn’t “the appropriate person to respond” to my concerns about the IPMN, which “should properly be addressed to the Reverend Dr. B. Hunter Farrell, Director of World Mission, of our General Assembly Mission Council.” When I spoke with Farrell, he said that at some point, the denomination was going to issue a set of rules that groups like the IPMN would have to follow if they wanted to maintain their affiliation with the PC(USA). Apparently, nothing ever came of these rules. If they were issued, they do not seem to have any impact.

The PC(USA)’s General Assembly scheduled to take place this summer in Detroit, could quickly bring an end to the problems presented by the IPMN’s behavior, (and the failure of the folks in Louisville to constrain the organization) with a simple vote that disbands the IPMN and distances the denomination from the hateful materials it has produced over the course of its existence.

All of this talk about the General Assembly, and the failure of the folks in Louisville is the height of banality, for there are larger issues at stake.

Religious and ethnic minorities are being ethnically cleansed in Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East with hardly a word of protest from the PC(USA). It’s an evil, violent campaign that threatens to destroy Christianity in the region of its birth. And the way things are going, it will likely be ignored by the PC(USA)’s upcoming General Assembly.

For sure, the GA will spend a lot of time talking about Israel and Jews, though.

Dexter Van Zile (@dextervanzile) is Christian Media Analyst for the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America (@CAMERAorg). Also Rubystars i wonder if Duke ever read a description of the Khazars.The Khazars looked more like vikings then Jews.They were very tall and had red hair and ruddy complexions.
 Now back to the Khazars who looked more like vikings then Jews.They were described as extremely tall red hair and ruddy complexions O.K. this is from an anti Jewish site but gives a description of khazars     http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/library/khazars.html   


   In his book An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples, Peter Golden claims that the Chinese T'and-shu chronicle describes the Khazars, generally, as "...tall, with red-hair, ruddy-faced and blue-eyed. Black hair is considered a bad omen." 13
Not exactly Jewish looking  <<< me commenting
Of the ferocity and warlike tendencies of the Khazars there is little doubt and much historical evidence, all of it pointing to a race of people so violent in their dealings with their fellow men that they were feared and abhorred above all peoples in that region of the world.

    The Arab chronicler Ibn-Said al-Maghribi writes, "they are to the north of the inhabited earth towards the 7th clime, having over their heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet. Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair flowing and predominantly reddish, their bodies large and their natures cold. Their general aspect is wild." 14

    The ninth-century monk Druthmar of Aquitaine, in his commentary on Matthew 24:14 in Expositio in Matthaeum Evangelistam, stated that the Gazari, or Khazars, dwelt "in the lands of Gog and Magog." 15

    Legends and stories abound, some of which are true according to the above quoted Aquitaine monk, that center around Alexander the Great and his attempt to enclose the Khazars and quarantine them, due to their violent and barbaric nature, from the rest of the civilized world. This endeavor apparently failed, Druthmar claimed, and they escaped. Some legends even claim they were cannibals. 16

    After the kingdom's conversion to Judaism, the term "Red Jews" came into usage out of the superstition of medieval Germans, who equated their red hair and beards and their violent nature with deceit and dishonesty. It is also well documented that they heavily taxed those passing through their lands, for none dared refuse them. 17
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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 01:16:07 AM »
PCUSA may be a brothel, but it sure isn't a church.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2014, 02:50:35 AM »
People like him have a warped view that the Hebrew people in the Bible have no connection to the Jewish people today. He believes that the Ashkenazi Jews are really Khazars. So he doesn't see King David as having any connection to what we would consider to be the Jewish people today. It's stupid but that's the explanation.


But doesn't he hate Sfardic Jews too?


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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 04:08:30 AM »


But doesn't he hate Sfardic Jews too?

I'm sure he does, but since Ashkenazi Jews are more numerous and are more involved in politics in the West, he focuses more on them.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 01:28:28 PM »
David D**k will praise anyone who is anti-Semitic or anti-Zionist.  No surprise here.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2014, 01:52:05 PM »
David Duke should focus on getting a Jewish doctor next time, so his plastic surgeries come out better.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2014, 06:42:33 PM »
Isn't David a Hebrew name?
Shouldn't he change it.

Yes, he should change it to adolf. 

How this PoS has gone through life w/o receiving a bullet in his head is beyond me.

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2014, 09:16:27 PM »
Yes, he should change it to adolf. 

How this PoS has gone through life w/o receiving a bullet in his head is beyond me.
You're right.  However, you will note that people are extremely hesitant to draw a cartoon of Mohammed or write a book stating negative things about Mohammed.  They are afraid for their lives if they do.  However, no one fears any repercussions at all in saying the worst lies possible about Jews or our religion.  It's always "open season" on Jews.  They're not even afraid of killing or maiming Jews.  There's no repercussions.  People like David Duke or Farrakhan can say whatever filthy lies they want because they know that they're safe.  "Freedom of Speech" for me only goes so far.  The obvious truth is that, once Hitler had started rousing up the Germans with his anti-semitism, he should have been shot in the head.  How could any decent person disagree with this?  The Final Solution would never have even been thought of. 

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Re: David Duke has nothing but praise for Presbyterian stand on Israel
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2014, 12:45:42 AM »
He can't change his name to Adolf. He'll get beaten up by all the blacks if he goes to jail.
We wouldn't want to see his pretty plastic face all mangled up.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2014, 12:48:04 AM »
He can't change his name to Adolf. He'll get beaten up by all the blacks if he goes to jail.
We wouldn't want to see his pretty plastic face all mangled up.
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