Britain reviewing arms sales to Israel

[Aces High]

Not surprised by Britain's threats.  They've stuck it to the Jews many times.   I hope Israel can circumvent Britain, if they withhold arms sales to Israel.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/183730#.U-AuO5uPKUk

[muman613]

Israel needs more investment in weapons systems domestically developed...

[Aces High]

Israel needs more investment in weapons systems domestically developed...

Absolutely!  Israel needs to break the weapons stranglehold of Britain and the United States.

[Cajun Redneck Jew]

Of course Britain as a U.N. Puppet wants to try and stop arms from getting to Israel, disarm the Jews and they will be sitting ducks, just like before 1948.  But heck hey since Homey the Clown has cut off the purchase of AK-47's to America I am sure Israel can get some good deals now! Then their is always the Black market, ain't like AK Platform and SKS Rifles have any shortage issues in the Middle East. 

[eb22]

Israel needs more investment in weapons systems domestically developed...

This needs to be a priority for Israel.   That much more with the constant pressure from BHO,  John Kerry,  and the E.U. 

[Israel Chai]

Israel needs more investment in weapons systems domestically developed...

Talked to a guy responsible for getting new weapons technology in IDF. I wasn't dressing well, and was going after these magical girls in Israel that are all hot in the army and he saw me, so he didn't take anything I said seriously, and never even agreed to look at the fact that I could make Israel sell weapons to the whole world. Learned a lot of lessons since then, but maybe that was the only chance Hashem was giving me to meet a person like that, which sucks.

Anyone know anyone in weapons procurement in the IDF? PM me.

[Ukrainian Jew]

I think it won't hurt Israel that much- Israel is innovative and full of development and production. Israel has a far higher average IQ
http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
than the surrounding Arab nations and this is why they keep winning- I doubt that will change if a few dyspeptic socialists in the UK cut weapons sales.

[Israel Chai]

I think it won't hurt Israel that much- Israel is innovative and full of development and production. Israel has a far higher average IQ
http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
than the surrounding Arab nations and this is why they keep winning- I doubt that will change if a few dyspeptic socialists in the UK cut weapons sales.

That IQ doesn't help us from bowing down when Israel's worst enemy tells us which weapons we can or can't make.

[Ukrainian Jew]

That IQ doesn't help us from bowing down when Israel's worst enemy tells us which weapons we can or can't make.

That is the fault of Israel's leaders. I'm sure something can be done about it- maybe through revolution if absolutely necessary. I do think Israel will wake up and hopefully is already even in the process.

[White Israelite]

I've been telling people for years that Israel should not rely on the us or any other country for arms. Israel has a wonderful domestic arms industry like iwi, rafael, elbit and others. I can testify to this, my entire time in Colombia, I saw plenty of Israeli weapons, Colombia uses the kfir planes, the Jericho 941 handgun, the galil ace, their special forces use the tavor, and they have some other weapons from Israel. India also buy Israeli weapons as does Germany, south Africa, and a number of other countries.

The problem with american foreign aid is it forces Israel to buy american arms and it cripples the domestic manufacturers. Israel in the past relied on Czech weapons and the french but as Israel has progressed Israel should only buy weapons from domestic Israeli companies.

[Ukrainian Jew]

I've been telling people for years that Israel should not rely on the us or any other country for arms. Israel has a wonderful domestic arms industry like iwi, rafael, elbit and others. I can testify to this, my entire time in Colombia, I saw plenty of Israeli weapons, Colombia uses the kfir planes, the Jericho 941 handgun, the galil ace, their special forces use the tavor, and they have some other weapons from Israel. India also buy Israeli weapons as does Germany, south Africa, and a number of other countries.

The problem with american foreign aid is it forces Israel to buy american arms and it cripples the domestic manufacturers. Israel in the past relied on Czech weapons and the french but as Israel has progressed Israel should only buy weapons from domestic Israeli companies.

Colombia- now there's an admirable country. Hopefully they'll work on their own weapons too. But I agree completely about Israel.

[Israel Chai]

Colombia- now there's an admirable country. Hopefully they'll work on their own weapons too. But I agree completely about Israel.

No. You don't want a cartel to take control of a factory. It's great that they buy from Israel.

[Ukrainian Jew]

No. You don't want a cartel to take control of a factory. It's great that they buy from Israel.

I never said it wasn't. I should have said, "Hopefully when they're more stable" they should make their own weapons as well as of course, continue trade with Israel.
Just out of curiosity are there ethnic tensions in Colombia? What's the ethnic makeup?

[White Israelite]

I never said it wasn't. I should have said, "Hopefully when they're more stable" they should make their own weapons as well as of course, continue trade with Israel.
Just out of curiosity are there ethnic tensions in Colombia? What's the ethnic makeup?

My wife's Colombian and Colombia is the only south american country that doesn't recognize a Palestinian state. Most Colombians I've met generally seem to have positive views of Jews , I've never had any issues.

There was one incident, a Israeli by the name of yair Klein was selling weapons illegally to paramilitary and communists and it created problems but Colombia dropped extradition charges.

Demographics I think like 30 percent of the country is white, the rest are lighter skin mestizo, the paisas in Medellin look almost pure basque or Spanish, in Barranquilla and the coast more dark and triracial but some lighter skin, shakira comes from Barranquilla, there's a lot of Syrians and Lebanese on the coast but they aren't really political, most of them were Christians who fled from the ottoman empire. The south and northeast are indigenous .

I haven't noticed ethnic tensions most people just figure you are Colombian but there is some territorial division between coastal people known as costenos, paisas and rolos, political division is very big so there's not as much grey areas.

I never encountered any drugs, Colombia's very strict about it, their doctors saved my life when I had a infected gallbladder.

Colombia does manfacture their own arms, they have a license to manufacture the galil ace and many of the parts are shipped back to israel. Indumil is Colombia's main weapons manufacturer
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indumil

Colombians have a history of fighting against terrorists , and narco traffickers, etc for much of their history so I think they sympathize with Israel in regards that they have both been at war and also have both been under pressure by the international community especially during the raid in Ecuador.

I'm sure there are hostilities like any country but I never experienced or saw any of it, and openly talking about israel I generally received positive views.

[Manch]

This is Achiles heel. Israel is simply lacking manufacturing base, population and expertise to innovate across all major platforms, from tank engines, to submarines, to communication and surveillance, to night vision, to transport and fighter aircraft. Keep in mind, US is going to spend about $1trillion dollars on development and deployment of 650 F22s. With the defense budget of $14Bil, Israel has to be very practical. $3B from US is a huge part of this budget. Most Israelis are resigned to the fact of the utter and full dependency on US, France, Germany and, to a lesser degree, on UK for military sales. 

I wonder what our position would be, as we have never addressed it. Israel simply can't manufacturer everything - it is not US nor it is Russian or EU. What to do?!

[White Israelite]

This is Achiles heel. Israel is simply lacking manufacturing base, population and expertise to innovate across all major platforms, from tank engines, to submarines, to communication and surveillance, to night vision, to transport and fighter aircraft. Keep in mind, US is going to spend about $1trillion dollars on development and deployment of 650 F22s. With the defense budget of $14Bil, Israel has to be very practical. $3B from US is a huge part of this budget. Most Israelis are resigned to the fact of the utter and full dependency on US, France, Germany and, to a lesser degree, on UK for military sales. 

I wonder what our position would be, as we have never addressed it. Israel simply can't manufacturer everything - it is not US nor it is Russian or EU. What to do?!

Israel manufactures the merkava tank, the Saar 4.5 ships, the 5 was sourced but designed in Israel, Israel designed and manufactured the lavi, the kfir is based on French mirage, small arms are designed in Israel, shavit launcher and Jericho 3 is designed and manufactured in Israel. Israel only imports parts it absolutely needs due to cost, they have manufacturing capability

[ChabadKahanist]

It doesn't surprise me after the way we humiliated the British by kicking them out of Israel.
They bloody Limeys still hold a grudge.
I think we should forget the US & Britain & deal with Russia & China.

[Manch]

Israel manufactures the merkava tank, the Saar 4.5 ships, the 5 was sourced but designed in Israel, Israel designed and manufactured the lavi, the kfir is based on French mirage, small arms are designed in Israel, shavit launcher and Jericho 3 is designed and manufactured in Israel. Israel only imports parts it absolutely needs due to cost, they have manufacturing capability

I don't argue your statement. Israel manufacturers some key platforms. But, by far, not all. An embargo would cripple IDF.

- Spare parts for F15/F16 from US
- 500kr & 1ton+ bombs, bunker busters,  from US.
- Merkava engine under license from Germany, same as Canon
- F35?
- Helicopters?
- Communication and Electronics? Like supplied from L3
- Dolphin class submarines  - from A to Z made in Germany
- D9 Armored Bulldozers - from Caterpillar.

etc, etc, etc,

need I continue? This is a real problem, we can't brush it off by simply ignoring the fact that Israel can't manufacturer all leading edge platforms. What do we do?!

Anecdotally - Israel just closed its last factory producing combat boots.

[syyuge]

It is absolutely normal for the Englistan to stop the arms sales to Israel on any filthy pretext or the other. Now they have developed a roaring market for arms supply at muslamic caliphate.

[Super Mentalita]

All traitors in the British Parliament supporting the wrong!

[Israel Chai]

This is Achiles heel. Israel is simply lacking manufacturing base, population and expertise to innovate across all major platforms, from tank engines, to submarines, to communication and surveillance, to night vision, to transport and fighter aircraft. Keep in mind, US is going to spend about $1trillion dollars on development and deployment of 650 F22s. With the defense budget of $14Bil, Israel has to be very practical. $3B from US is a huge part of this budget. Most Israelis are resigned to the fact of the utter and full dependency on US, France, Germany and, to a lesser degree, on UK for military sales. 

I wonder what our position would be, as we have never addressed it. Israel simply can't manufacturer everything - it is not US nor it is Russian or EU. What to do?!

No problem. Give me half that budget and I'll make Israel manufacture three times what it needs, and not need a single worker other than a few engineers for repairs here and there.

[Manch]

No problem. Give me half that budget and I'll make Israel manufacture three times what it needs, and not need a single worker other than a few engineers for repairs here and there.

Nobody is going to give you anything unless you specifically advocate and stipulate how and what you are going to be doing. Even with the submarines - do you realize the cost, the economy of scale needed to build the suitable shipyards, the skill and expertise and the export projections needed to make production of these incredible submarines feasible? How about F16/F15 and F22s - you are also going to supply the spare parts, training, and new aircrafts?

I don't know if example of North Korea is suitable, but there may be some parallels as what Israel may face in terms of arms embargo. North Korea, which typically relies on its own manufacturing, buys some stuff from China and doesn't manufacture everything, and it is purely militarized economy. And most of their equipment is junk due to reliance on its own manufacturing base and on old Chinese surplus.

[White Israelite]

Israel has shipyards
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shipyards

It should be noted that its not that Israel doesn't have the capability, its more down to cost and Israel is required to use foreign aid from the us to buy military equipment from us contractors, as a result, many of the Israeli businesses suffer. That's why all the Saar shioa were built in Israel but production of the Saar 5 shifted to the us . the Saar 5 was built by ingalls ship building by northrup grumman, this is the same with the f16, Israel was working on the lavi and had kfirs which means they have/had the capability, Israel still builds planes but for commercial use, the cost of manufacture and development was cheaper to use the f16 but stripped everything and simply rely on the frames.

There's obviously a reason why the us wants Israel to do this because it makes Israel reliant on us production but Israeli had shifted away, its not uncommon for countries to import some of their armaments. I'd love to see Israel build their own stuff and they do, but think of a country like north Korea how broke they are and they probably have more resources than Israel. Most of the population is starving, the US had gone nearly bankrupt over the Iraq war and arms manufacturing, weve spent billions on projects like the osprey , for israel this would be suicide . the other factor is countries who do manufacture their own arms are either producing a weapon under license or they are rehashes of existing technology.

Israel has the manufacturing base for defensive purposes such as tanks, planes if they wanted to, air to air missiles, ICBMs, small arms, APCs, and even ships, what they lack is capability to produce sub's which isn't surprising, sub's are dominated by a few countries and not easy to manufacture. Israel at one time even manufactured cars.

[Manch]

Israel has shipyards
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shipyards

It should be noted that its not that Israel doesn't have the capability, its more down to cost and Israel is required to use foreign aid from the us to buy military equipment from us contractors, as a result, many of the Israeli businesses suffer. That's why all the Saar shioa were built in Israel but production of the Saar 5 shifted to the us . the Saar 5 was built by ingalls ship building by northrup grumman, this is the same with the f16, Israel was working on the lavi and had kfirs which means they have/had the capability, Israel still builds planes but for commercial use, the cost of manufacture and development was cheaper to use the f16 but stripped everything and simply rely on the frames.

There's obviously a reason why the us wants Israel to do this because it makes Israel reliant on us production but Israeli had shifted away, its not uncommon for countries to import some of their armaments. I'd love to see Israel build their own stuff and they do, but think of a country like north Korea how broke they are and they probably have more resources than Israel. Most of the population is starving, the US had gone nearly bankrupt over the Iraq war and arms manufacturing, weve spent billions on projects like the osprey , for israel this would be suicide . the other factor is countries who do manufacture their own arms are either producing a weapon under license or they are rehashes of existing technology.

Israel has the manufacturing base for defensive purposes such as tanks, planes if they wanted to, air to air missiles, ICBMs, small arms, APCs, and even ships, what they lack is capability to produce sub's which isn't surprising, sub's are dominated by a few countries and not easy to manufacture. Israel at one time even manufactured cars.

this is way too simplistic. USA can spread the cost of technology, say for F16, across many countries, thousands of orders. Israel can't. Are you sure that shipyards in Israel are capable of building submarines. Where are the engineers and constructors are going to come from to build something comparable to Dolphin? This is way more complicated than what you've described. Israel, after 1967, decided to independently produce at least 1 main type of weapons, hence Merkava, Kfir and Saar. With the cost of new weapons skyrocketing, even competitors join forces - examples: Eurofighter, F22(LM and Boeing)

[Ukrainian Jew]

My wife's Colombian and Colombia is the only south american country that doesn't recognize a Palestinian state. Most Colombians I've met generally seem to have positive views of Jews , I've never had any issues.

There was one incident, a Israeli by the name of yair Klein was selling weapons illegally to paramilitary and communists and it created problems but Colombia dropped extradition charges.

Demographics I think like 30 percent of the country is white, the rest are lighter skin mestizo, the paisas in Medellin look almost pure basque or Spanish, in Barranquilla and the coast more dark and triracial but some lighter skin, shakira comes from Barranquilla, there's a lot of Syrians and Lebanese on the coast but they aren't really political, most of them were Christians who fled from the ottoman empire. The south and northeast are indigenous .

I haven't noticed ethnic tensions most people just figure you are Colombian but there is some territorial division between coastal people known as costenos, paisas and rolos, political division is very big so there's not as much grey areas.

I never encountered any drugs, Colombia's very strict about it, their doctors saved my life when I had a infected gallbladder.

Colombia does manfacture their own arms, they have a license to manufacture the galil ace and many of the parts are shipped back to israel. Indumil is Colombia's main weapons manufacturer
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indumil

Colombians have a history of fighting against terrorists , and narco traffickers, etc for much of their history so I think they sympathize with Israel in regards that they have both been at war and also have both been under pressure by the international community especially during the raid in Ecuador.

I'm sure there are hostilities like any country but I never experienced or saw any of it, and openly talking about israel I generally received positive views.

Sounds like a nice place to live. What bothers me is why the hell would an Israeli sell weapons to communists? Only a traitor would do such a thing- he should have his citizenship removed and be made an honorary "Palestinian". We as Jews should make it a priority to be sworn enemies of all communist movements worldwide. If the leftist Jews (filth themselves) want to ally with them then we should make it clear they are pro-"Palestinian", as Zionists have always been allied with patriotic right-wing movements around the world. As Jews it is our duty to stand against mass-murderers, like Nazis, and Muslims, and Communists are no different. I guess anti-communism is especially important for me since I'm Ukrainian.