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Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2014, 09:38:12 PM »
Interesting, it looks like Israelis are beginning to wake up to the fertility crisis. When will Europe follow?!?!?

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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2014, 09:53:22 PM »
No. I see it as more of a sign from HaShem... The Soldiers that sacrificed for G-d were reborn, or replaced by more Jew's.
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2014, 09:59:00 PM »
G-d is telling the enemies of Israel, DO NOT MESS WITH ISRAEL AND THE JEW'S! And trying to wake up Israel and the nation's. ...
Ezekiel 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the horn, and the people be not warned, and the sword do come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2014, 10:03:33 PM »
Baruch Hashem if the Jewish birthrate increases...

The Torah teaches us that during the exile in Egypt, when the Egyptian taskmasters oppressed us, that the Jewish women were ULTRA-FERTILE and they would have six babies at a time. The Jewish population flourished from only 70 souls to over 3 Million in a little over 200 years.

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Parshas Shemos
January 8th-9th, 1999
21 Teves, 5759

Whenever I hear about the birth of septuplets, or octoplets, I immediately think of a verse at the beginning of this week's parsha:  "The Children of Israel were fruitful, teemed, increased, and became strong--very, very much so; and the land became filled with them." (1, 7; Artscroll translation.)  The Midrash explains that the Jewish women in Egypt gave birth to six babies at a time--corresponding to the six Hebrew words in the verse used to describe our rapid multiplication.  (This was a few millenia before fertility drugs were on the market.)     

And unlike multiple births nowadays, where the babies often don't live very long due to their extreme frailty or incomplete development, the Jewish infants flourished: the commentaries explain that they all were hearty and reached adulthood (see Rashbam; Netziv), evidence of Hashem's special Providence governing our people.  As the Midrash Rabbah puts it, "Even though Yosef and his brothers died, their G-d didn't die"--He was busy swelling the ranks of their offspring, ever watchful to fulfill the promise He had made to the Patriarchs: "Your offspring shall be as the dust of the earth..."

Interestingly, it seems that this intense population explosion of the Jews triggered the start of the Egyptian persecution: the Midrash Tanchumah notes that immediately after the verse describing their increase (quoted above), the Torah reports the rise of a "new king" who imposed hard labor on the Jews.   Ibn Ezra states that the express purpose of the servitude was to limit our size as a people.

Was it our mere numbers that caused Egyptian enmity?  It doesn't seem like the whole story.  After all, the Jews were the nation of Yosef, the savior of Egypt during the famine.  Could the Egyptians, in the space of so short a time, forget the gratitude owed to their benefactor, Yosef, and his extended family?  Although the answer is probably, "yes"--let's be realistic about human nature, folks--, still one hopes for some deeper (or more interesting) explanation for this disturbing account of ancient antisemitism. 
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2014, 10:09:33 PM »
More on the Torahs teaching of how the Jewish people flourished the more they were oppressed:


http://mobile.askmoses.com/article/189,2098367/Exodus-Chapter-1.html


The First Phase of Enslavement

8 At this time, a new king, who did not know Joseph, arose over Egypt. According to one opinion, this was in fact a new king; others say that this was the same king, but that he acted as if he had never heard of Joseph. 9 He said to his people, “Look: the people, the Israelites, are becoming more numerous and stronger than us. 10 Let us deal cleverly with them and their God—who is clearly involved in their unnatural fertility—lest they increase and, in the event of war, join our enemies, fight us, and go up out of the land, or, even worse, take over the country and force us to go up out of the land.” In fact, the Israelites posed no real threat to the Egyptians. The Israelites knew that Pharaoh (or his predecessor) had promoted Joseph from slave to viceroy and graciously settled them in the best part of Egypt, saving them from starvation. They were indebted to Pharaoh and the Egyptians, and therefore entertained no thought of taking over the country.7 Rather, Pharaoh wanted to persecute the Jews for the simple sake of doing so. He hated what the Jews represented, and he was concerned that Jewish monotheism might prevail over Egyptian paganism. So, in addition to plotting how to decrease the Jews’ physical numbers and diminish their power, he devised a plan to sink them into Egyptian culture and make them forget their heritage. He consulted with his advisors, the chief three of whom were Balaam, Jether (who would later be known as Jethro),8 and Job. Balaam devised a progressive plan of increasing oppression designed to weaken the Jews’ birthrate. Jethro advised against this plan; Job was undecided.9 Pharaoh accepted Balaam’s strategy. Jethro, seeing that he had fallen from the king’s favor, fled to Midian.10 Pharaoh gathered together all the Jews and addressed them: “Please help me today with this work.” He picked up a pail and a rake and began to make bricks. Most of those who saw Pharaoh doing this came forward to help him. Moreover, Pharaoh hung a mold for bricks around his neck. If a Jew declined to work, saying that he was too delicate, Pharoah’s officers said, “Are you then more delicate than Pharaoh?” In this way they talked everyone into participating.11 Nonetheless, the tribe of Levi refused to work, claiming dispensation due to their elite status as the people’s sages. Pharaoh and the Egyptians knew that Jacob had accorded his son Levi special status by exempting him from carrying his coffin,12 so they accepted the Levites’ claim. Thus, the tribe of Levi remained exempt from slavery. Nonetheless, just as the Levites devoted their lives to Torah study in order to preserve the traditions for the rest of the people, the rest of the people fulfilled the Levites’ obligation to fulfill God’s prophecy to Abraham that his descendants would have to be slaves.13 Therefore, the Levites reaped the rewards of Egyptian slavery together with their brethren, even though they did not actively participate in it.14 When night fell, the officers asked the Jews to count how many bricks they had made. After they did so, Pharaoh said, “Good! Make e this many bricks every day!”15 11 They appointed draft officers over them in order to afflict them with the chores they imposed on them, and thus the Jews built up the existing cities of Pitom and Raamses, making them fit to serve as storage cities for Pharaoh. The capital city of Pitom had been named after a rock formation on the shores of the Sea of Reeds, which the Egyptians had named Pitom and marked the boundary of Egypt.16 12 But the more the Egyptians oppressed them, the more God blessed the Israelites so they increased and spread, and the Egyptians were frustrated over the increase of the Israelites. This first phase of conscripted labor lasted about thirty years, from some time after the year 2332 until 2362.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2014, 10:36:33 PM »
Uh ok but those 68 babies would have been born anyway.  There was no reason they had to get 68 soldiers killed in handcuffed adventures.

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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2014, 10:40:40 PM »
Uh ok but those 68 babies would have been born anyway.  There was no reason they had to get 68 soldiers killed in handcuffed adventures.

True... But 68 babies in one hospital? Is that normal?

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2014, 11:07:56 PM »
True... But 68 babies in one hospital? Is that normal?

I don't know, why is it not normal?  People are giving birth all the time.  Milliions of people live in israel.  What do you mean to suggest by asking if it's "normal"?  That bibi was justified in getting 68 young men murdered?  What?

I'm certainly open to the idea that that precise number is a sign from Hashem in his kindness telling us we will eventually overcome the oslo madness that got these soldiers killed.  Any other message than that I couldn't really understand because the suffering and loss felt by those families is very real and this doesn't undo any of it.
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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2014, 01:59:50 AM »
I don't know, why is it not normal?  People are giving birth all the time.  Milliions of people live in israel.  What do you mean to suggest by asking if it's "normal"?  That bibi was justified in getting 68 young men murdered?  What?

I'm certainly open to the idea that that precise number is a sign from Hashem in his kindness telling us we will eventually overcome the oslo madness that got these soldiers killed.  Any other message than that I couldn't really understand because the suffering and loss felt by those families is very real and this doesn't undo any of it.

Sometimes you phrase things in a confrontational manner implying things which I did not write...

I am interested in whether there is an increase in Jewish births as a result of the recent crisis. In no way do I think that Jewish soldiers should die in order for this to happen.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Israelis Mourn Loss of 68; Note Birth of 68 babies in Soroka hospital.
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2014, 09:12:57 AM »
My God...This is NO Coincidence....The God of Israel is in Control!