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Article about birth control
« on: August 29, 2014, 02:52:48 AM »
From Business Insider, by Michael Brendan Dougherty and Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Time To Admit It: The Church Has Always Been Right On Birth Control

Painting the Catholic Church as "out of touch" is like shooting fish in a barrel, what with the funny hats and gilded churches. And nothing makes it easier than the Church's stance against contraception.
Many people, (including our editor) are wondering why the Catholic Church doesn't just ditch this requirement. They note that most Catholics ignore it, and that most everyone else finds it divisive, or "out-dated." C'mon! It's the 21st century, they say! Don't they SEE that it's STUPID, they scream.

Here's the thing, though: the Catholic Church is the world's biggest and oldest organization. It has buried all of the greatest empires known to man, from the Romans to the Soviets. It has establishments literally all over the world, touching every area of human endeavor. It's given us some of the world's greatest thinkers, from Saint Augustine on down to René Girard. When it does things, it usually has a good reason. Everyone has a right to disagree, but it's not that they're a bunch of crazy old white dudes who are stuck in the Middle Ages.

So, what's going on?

The Church teaches that love, marriage, sex, and procreation are all things that belong together. That's it. But it's pretty important. And though the Church has been teaching this for 2,000 years, it's probably never been as salient as today.

Today's injunctions against birth control were re-affirmed in a 1968 document by Pope Paul VI called Humanae Vitae.  He warned of four results if the widespread use of contraceptives was accepted:

General lowering of moral standards
A rise in infidelity, and illegitimacy
The reduction of women to objects used to satisfy men.
Government coercion in reproductive matters.
Does that sound familiar?

Because it sure sounds like what's been happening for the past 40 years.

As George Akerloff wrote in Slate over a decade ago,

By making the birth of the child the physical choice of the mother, the sexual revolution has made marriage and child support a social choice of the father.

Instead of two parents being responsible for the children they conceive, an expectation that was held up by social norms and by the law, we now take it for granted that neither parent is necessarily responsible for their children. Men are now considered to be fulfilling their duties merely by paying court-ordered child-support. That's a pretty dramatic lowering of standards for "fatherhood."

Kim Kardashian
People.com
Today's moral lodestar


How else are we doing since this great sexual revolution? Kim Kardashian's marriage lasted 72 days. Illegitimacy: way up. In 1960, 5.3% of all births in America were to unmarried women. By 2010, it was 40.8% [PDF]. In 1960 married families made up almost three-quarters of all households; but by the census of 2010 they accounted for just 48 percent of them. Cohabitation has increased tenfold since 1960.
And if you don't think women are being reduced to objects to satisfy men, welcome to the internet, how long have you been here? Government coercion: just look to China (or America, where a government rule on contraception coverage is the reason why we're talking about this right now).

Is this all due to the Pill? Of course not. But the idea that widely-available contraception hasn't led to dramatic societal change, or that this change has been exclusively to the good, is a much sillier notion than anything the Catholic Church teaches.

So is the notion that it's just OBVIOUSLY SILLY to get your moral cues from a venerable faith (as opposed to what? Britney Spears?).

But let's turn to another aspect of this. The reason our editor thinks Catholics shouldn't be fruitful and multiply doesn't hold up, either. The world's population, he writes, is on an "unsustainable" growth path.

The Population Bureau of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations sees (PDF, h/t Pax Dickinson) the rate of population growth slowing over the next decades and stabilizing around 9 billion in 2050…and holding there until 2300. (And note that the UN, which promotes birth control and abortions around the world, isn't exactly in the be-fruitful-and-multiply camp.)

More broadly, the Malthusian view of population growth has been resilient despite having been proven wrong time and time again and causing lots of unnecessary human suffering. For example, China is headed for a demographic crunch and social dislocation due to its misguided one-child policy.

Human progress is people. Everything that makes life better, from democracy to the economy to the internet to penicillin was either discovered and built by people. More people means more progress. The inventor of the cure for cancer might be someone's fourth child that they decided not to have.

So, just to sum up:

It's a good idea for people to be fruitful and multiply; and
Regardless of how you feel about the Church's stance on birth control, it's proven pretty prophetic.

Source: the article on Business Insider's site
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Re: Article about birth control
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 02:56:58 AM »
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
Duet 16:13-14

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Re: Article about birth control
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 03:05:23 AM »
Of course most of this position is based on the Jewish belief.



http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/481962/jewish/What-is-the-Torahs-view-on-birth-control.htm
That explains why globalist population-reductionists have always used examples from those who are notoriously anti-Semitic (i.e. Hitler), and some of the most genocidal scum (Communists) who also come from the same sources.

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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 03:06:33 AM »
That explains why globalist population-reductionists have always used examples from those who are notoriously anti-Semitic (i.e. Hitler), and some of the most genocidal scum (Communists) who also come from the same sources.

Good theory... All those who support eugenics are nazis, and the liberal democrats support eugenics.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Article about birth control
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 03:08:46 AM »
Witness the hero of the modern liberal left today, Margret Singer, a racist eugenicist for whom an award is given in her name.


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Re: Article about birth control
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 03:20:43 AM »
One more on the monster Margret Sanger.

You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 03:24:53 AM »
Witness the hero of the modern liberal left today, Margret Singer, a racist eugenicist for whom an award is given in her name.



This is another reason why it's hilarious that all the modern-day neo-Nazis, Buchanan-worshippers, and Commies equate Zionism with Globalism, because of their natural hostility towards one-another. Leftists are opposed to Zionism, and Neoconservatives have hijacked it. All of the anti-Catholic sentiment about birth control comes from the Left, also the Catholics who are for traditional values believe in the Bible and the legitimacy of the Tanach and Zionism, and support Israel.

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 03:33:17 AM »
I am sorry I don't agree with you concerning the Catholic church. They do not support Israel, never have, and I doubt they ever will. Of course there are individual Catholics who may disagree with the church and support Israel, but I cannot agree with your final statement that the Catholics believe that Israel is the Jewish homeland.

Can you show me an example, if what you are saying is true.
You shall make yourself the Festival of Sukkoth for seven days, when you gather in [the produce] from your threshing floor and your vat.And you shall rejoice in your Festival-you, and your son, and your daughter, and your manservant, and your maidservant, and the Levite, and the stranger, and the orphan, and the widow, who are within your cities
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Re: Article about birth control
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 04:05:07 AM »
I am sorry I don't agree with you concerning the Catholic church. They do not support Israel, never have, and I doubt they ever will. Of course there are individual Catholics who may disagree with the church and support Israel, but I cannot agree with your final statement that the Catholics believe that Israel is the Jewish homeland.

Can you show me an example, if what you are saying is true.
The thing to be understood is that there are many different branches of Catholicism. There is Roman Catholicism, Melkite Greek Catholicism, Ukrainian Greek Catholicism (to which my father adheres), Maronite Catholicism, etc. Although the Pope has the last word on everything, that's for issues on which the Catholic Church has a unified position, as in birth control. So in reality, leftist Catholics who claim that Catholic Zionists go against the position of the Church are blatantly hypocritical, as the Catholic Church has no official position on the Israeli-Arab conflict yet it does on birth control- which it is against. Lebanese Greek Catholics are the group in Lebanon most sympathetic to Israel as a percentage, also Maronite military formations were allied with Israel in fighting "Palestinian" invaders. Members of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic University here in L'viv have been among those who have supported Israel the most out of any institution in the country (with the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church as a close second).

Even this garbage (see page 88), written by a ragheadized "Christian", propaganda at it's finest for the islamobarbarians, has to admit that there are noticeable Zionist attitudes, albeit a minority, among Arabic-speaking Christians in the Holy Land- and Catholics represent the most of that. "Latins" (Roman Catholics) by percentage are just as anti-Israel and pro-raghead as the Orthodox, however, the vast majority of Arabic-speaking Catholics are Greek (aka. Eastern-Rite).

This is an explanation, from Zionist Catholics themselves, of why they support Israel.
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