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Online Chaim Ben Pesach

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Ask JTF for September 7, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« on: September 07, 2014, 10:25:06 PM »
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Re: Ask JTF for September 7, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2014, 11:10:25 PM »
Thank you Chaim, in my question I meant afterwards towards the end of the revolt.


 I vaguely heard it and just now I made a search and I got this

 http://books.google.com/books?id=1TA-Fg4wBnUC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=bar+kochba+rabbis+tested&source=bl&ots=Glav3AXPKT&sig=F16vXIf5LV6EPMywHRjt22dVplA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=th4NVPafL5CRsQSeg4HYDQ&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=bar%20kochba%20rabbis%20tested&f=false

 (I will try to look more into this though) and maybe later look into the source more in depth. It says Sanhedrin 93b.

2. Regarding Mashi'ach it says "V'Nachah Alav Ru'ach Hash-m Ru'ach Chachmah u'Vinah Ru'ach Etzah u'Gvurah Ru'ach Da'as v'Yir'as Hash-m".
i. (R. Alexandri): "*Va'Haricho* b'Yir'as Hash-m" - this teaches that Hash-m loaded Mashi'ach with Mitzvos and afflictions like a Reichayim (millstone).
 ii. (Rava): "Va'Haricho..." teaches that he is Morach (smells, i.e. senses who is guilty) and judges - "V'Lo l'Mar'e Einav Yishpot...v'Shofat Tzedek".
 iii. Bar Koziva ruled for two and a half years, and told Chachamim that he is Mashi'ach. Chachamim tested him, they saw that he cannot judge by 'smell', they killed him (Ramah - like a false prophet (our Gemara argues with the Medrash that Romi killed him)).


http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/dafyomi2/sanhedrin/points/sn-ps-093.htm

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 Also now that I remembered something else (vaguely) I think the word used is "It" and not "him" (someone should double check). Maybe it means that they "killed" the idea of him being the Moshiah and not him physically.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2014, 11:27:41 PM by Tag-MehirTzedek »
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Ask JTF for September 7, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2014, 02:53:43 AM »
I'd love it if there was a protest against traitor bibi. JTF will probably be a mass-movement sooner than that, so I was hoping for more prepper tips. 
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Re: Ask JTF for September 7, 2014 is ready, baruch Hashem
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2014, 10:18:17 AM »
Thank you, Chaim. Never a dull moment.
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