Is Mark Zuckerberg Causing Anti Semitism?

[muman613]

ok. your next task is to get people to respect jews beside yourself. that is other jews.

Believe me I try, but I am of the belief that they either love us or hate us. If they hate us, that is their problem. If they are in-between I will do what I need to to make them love us.... But it is not worth losing sleep over.

[angryChineseKahanist]

Believe me I try, but I am of the belief that they either love us or hate us. If they hate us, that is their problem. If they are in-between I will do what I need to to make them love us.... But it is not worth losing sleep over.

ok. good night pal.

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

ACK did not say anything meant to be bad!

[muman613]

ACK did not say anything meant to be bad!

I know he didn't... I think we just miscommunicated.

This sentence he wrote rubbed me the wrong way:

no reason for jew hatred. by your logic, theres also no reason for hating hitler and his followers. hey, it can't be that all nazis are bad. so why not say don't judge all nazis? or dont generalize all nazis?

No reason for hating Hitler according to 'my logic'. There is no way according to my logic that Hitler could be cut an inch of slack. Hitler hated all Jews, not just the bad ones... All Nazis hated Jews as it was a core ideal of Nazi-ism...

Once again 'Antisemitism' means hating the Jewish people as a whole, not hating an individual Jew. When a person hates the entire Jewish people because of the doings of a few Jews, that is antisemitism.

In Judaism we learn about Haman, the Amalekite who sought to destroy all the Jews in the world which we remember during the festival of Purim... He hated the entire Jewish population just because one Jew, Mordechai, would not bow to him.... Because of this he got the go-ahead for a extermination of world Jewry.

[Israel Chai]

Anti-semetism would be alive and well without Zucky. He does at times serve as an excuse for it.

[angryChineseKahanist]

thanks Ephraim Ben Noach. but this will never end.

anyway. cant force people not to hate jews. but most people are reasonable and so you can convince them otherwise.

[AsheDina]

I have come to the conclusion that we shall be hated no matter what. 
It does not matter if one is a patriot, it does not matter if one is a Liberal.

They will hate Jews and that is the way it is.

[Shlomo]

Yes, Zuckerberg absolutely causes anti-semitism.

Facebook has banned EVERY major right wing Jewish group. Nazis, they are just fine on Facebook spreading their Nazi hatred. Muslims who openly call for a holocaust against the Jewish people, G-d forbid, they are totally fine on Facebook with no problems. Any Jew haters like David Duke aren't a problem at all for Facebook's so-called "community standards". The leftist anti-semites, Jew haters, and anti-Israel hate mongers are protected and made popular on Facebook. If you are a homosexual, you can do anything you want on Facebook and you'll never be taken down. Ever.

But ALL the major right wing Jewish groups have been removed. ALL of them. Not one was left. All of them were banned - us included. Even Chaim and the admins on the Hebrew forum (and many others from other sites) had their PERSONAL Facebook pages removed also.

And why? Because the picture we had up at the top of the girl praying at the wall "violated Facebook community standards". Nazis and violent Muslims calling for death of Jews, that doesn't "violate Facebook community standards".

In other words, they censor and destroy anything that helps or saves the Jewish people. Anything that puts the Jews in danger is totally acceptable.

When Jews are strong, there is much less anti-semitism. And when Jews are weak and self-hating like Zuckerberg, then anti-semitism rises.

Yes. Facebook, that evil site where your physical appearance and artificial "likes" by people you don't even know, and Zuckerberg who is a traitor to the Jewish people, both cause great harm and anti-semitism. So does Google and Youtube and the Jews who own that as well.

The worst enemies of the Jewish people are Jews. Not gentiles. Jews. This is talked about in the Talmud.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Muman, you need to cool off, jump into a lake.

Shlomo, LKZ, etc.--while I do believe Jew-hatred will always be the way of the world, no matter what, it is undeniable that the behavior of treacherous, evil self-hating Jews can exacerbate it. There is nothing malicious about pointing that fact out.

[Shlomo]

The topic of this thread concerns whether a single Jew makes people antisemitic... I argue NO it doesn't...

But some people think that because one Jew is bad, thus we all are... That is antisemitism.

You are very wrong. Zuckerburg and the Jews who own Google and Youtube reach BILLIONS of people. Imagine what they could do to make the world a better place if they were not evil.

No reason for hating Hitler according to 'my logic'.

I hope I am misunderstanding what you are saying. We are required and commanded by Hashem in the Torah to hate Amalek. If you are saying there is no reason to hate Hitler, then that is very evil. We are absolutely required to hate all Nazis and Jew haters everywhere - including the Arab terrorists in Israel who are also Amalek.

Here is a post I was working on about Amalek for the new site. I'll put some of it here. It is relevant.
We are commanded by God to hate and wipe out Amalek - and warned to never forget! Our Sages teach that God says to the Jews, “If you do not remember Amalek, you will be sent back to the bondage of Egypt”  (Pesikta Rabati 12). In Exodus we see that Amalek is the nation that attacked the weakest among the Israelites as they fled from Egypt (just like Hamas does with Jews and even their own fellow Muslims!). This transgression was not to go unpunished. The Torah has a harsh prescription for Amalek: annihilation. (Samuel I, 15:3)

And all we ever asked as Kahanists was to throw them out of Israel!

"It shall be that when Hashem, your God, gives you rest from all your enemies all around, in the Land that Hashem, your God, gives you as an inheritance to possess it, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under the heaven. Do not forget it!" (Deuteronomy 25: 19; also see Exodus 17:14 and Numbers 24:20)

Who is Amalek? Amalek was an ancient Middle Eastern nation that had an inborn hatred towards Israel. The Amalekites took any opportunity to attack Jews for absolutely no reason. There was no land dispute or provocation that caused this hatred - it was an intrinsic pathological need to destroy God's people. Such hatred cannot be combated through diplomacy. There was no option to re-educate the Amalekites or review their school curricula. Their hatred was not taught - it was ingrained. As long as an Amalekite walked the earth, no Jew was safe. It was a clear case of kill or be killed. A Jew had to take the command to kill Amalek quite literally - his life depended on it.

“Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt” (1 Samuel 15:2).

Sound familiar? Amalek would be held accountable for his unprovoked attack on the innocent Israelites because of hatred. Nazis are Amalek. The Arabs in Israel that fly the green flag of Hamas are Amalek. Any person who hates the Jews and wants to annihilate and exterminate them because they are God's chosen people is Amalek. Period.

Saul didn't finish off Amalek (which is why they still exist today). So what happened?

“Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel, saying, ‘I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not carried out My commands.’ And Samuel was distressed and cried out to the Lord all night” (verses 10-11).

So it's a big deal. And God doesn't care if Obama likes it or if John Kerry the Jew hater likes it or if the United Nations [of Islam and Dictators] likes it or if the European Union likes it or if Zuckerberg and Facebook and Google like it or if Geraldo Rivera likes it. People who voted for Hitler or Hamas are not innocent civilians. They are not innocent nor civilized.

Tzfat Chief Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu told Ashdod students that Hamas is the ancient Amalek which attacked the children of Israel right after the Exodus from Egypt. The rabbi called on the government not to surrender to modern moral values "at the expense of Jewish lives." Rabbi Eliyahu told the students at the Bnei Akiva school that the war against Hamas is "a war of the people of Israel against Amalek, against those wishing to destroy Jews." And he's right.

Does Israel or anyone else need any more proof that Nazis and these Arab Muslim terrorists are Amalek and that we are required to hate them?

[muman613]

I strongly disagree with what you are saying. Antisemitism is a disease of the mind, it has no reason. All scholarly work done on the topic agrees with what I am saying, despite your opinion. People hate Jews whether they are right wing, left wing, or in between. To suggest that it is caused by this or that particular Jew is ridiculous.

You are feeding right into those who suggest that Israel is the reason for antisemitism.

Also Shlomo I never said 'accoding to my logic no reason to hate Hitler'... To suggest I said that really goes to show how out of touch you are with my posting. I post all the time about how we are commanded to hate Amalek. Read ACK's post where he said 'According to your logic there is no reason to hate Hitler'.... See how you misconstrued my response to him.

[muman613]

This is the message I responded to...

but m, those are evil jews you point out including the honorary jew bill gates. either evil or just self hating. again, nobody respects them. funny how good jews are not mentioned and dare I say, not hated, just not counted.
it seems you are subconsciously allowing the hollyweird type jews represent all jews.

no reason for jew hatred. by your logic, theres also no reason for hating hitler and his followers. hey, it can't be that all nazis are bad. so why not say don't judge all nazis? or dont generalize all nazis?

so how are you going to tell all of europe they can't judge jews? I think its better to condemn evil jews and praise good ones.  the king of facebook may not even think he's doing evil.  on the other hand, obviously evil jews include communists/socialist jews in washington DC and barbara Streisand.

and no one should be offended because I did not damn any good jew or anyone who isn't clearly evil.

I am insulted that you think I was defending Hitler... I hope you can apologize for such a misunderstanding.

[muman613]

You obviously were in haste to reply to that message because you missed my reply to ACK which accused him of some antisemitism.

And what do you mean no reason to hate Hitler, yemach shemo vezichro... He and his minions launched an attack against World Jewery because of antisemitic sentiments which existed for 400-1000 years beforehand. Because of Christian Jew hatred which was popular in Germany because of the cursed Martin Luther who called for all synagogues to be burned, and forcing Jews to wear yellow badges.

Nazi Jew hatred had nothing to do with whether Jews were 'good' or 'bad.

All Nazis are BAD because their belief calls for exterminating Jews....

I cannot believe you are making such foolish comments ACK.

[muman613]

And you obviously missed this post of mine which discussed Amalek...

I know he didn't... I think we just miscommunicated.

This sentence he wrote rubbed me the wrong way:

No reason for hating Hitler according to 'my logic'. There is no way according to my logic that Hitler could be cut an inch of slack. Hitler hated all Jews, not just the bad ones... All Nazis hated Jews as it was a core ideal of Nazi-ism...

Once again 'Antisemitism' means hating the Jewish people as a whole, not hating an individual Jew. When a person hates the entire Jewish people because of the doings of a few Jews, that is antisemitism.

In Judaism we learn about Haman, the Amalekite who sought to destroy all the Jews in the world which we remember during the festival of Purim... He hated the entire Jewish population just because one Jew, Mordechai, would not bow to him.... Because of this he got the go-ahead for a extermination of world Jewry.

[muman613]

If anyone hates Jews because of Mark Zuckerberg they are antisemites and they would be with or without him.

PS: I never liked Facebook, never subscribed to Facebook, never use it... So I don't really know what it is.

But the Internet is a free place, and if you want to compete with Facebook you are free to do so. If there is demand for a right wing social media it should be created. But again, if you think this is a cause of antisemitism I beg to differ.

[muman613]

Maybe the Russians are correct in hating Jews? According to some peoples logic here it can be explained as they felt that the Jews were responsible for communism, and many Russians died because of communism, so it is the Jewish peoples fault for their deaths...

I do not believe that. But it is a common example of how individual Jews can be used to tarnish the entire Jewish people. It is irrational because those Jewish communists were nothing but Jews in name, they had no Jewish faith or connection to the Jewish community. It is wrong to blame the entire world Jewry for what some individual Jews did or did not do.

[muman613]

Also I don't quite understand how Zuckerberg can contribute to antisemitism because of his position on Israel and on social issues. His position is the popular opinion. It would seem that those who would hate Jews because of their support of Israel would love him for his rejection of it. So too with his position on social issues, his position is the popular opinion, which should make him beloved in the eyes of the non-jewish world.

So maybe the only antisemitism which is expressed comes from the Jewish side. Also could someone show me any article which expresses antisemitism against him (aside from the one which I posted the picture of the octopus / big nose)... I would be interested to see some hard examples of what is suggested in this thread.

[muman613]

So far my search has only found the example from the German newspaper which depicted him as the octopus... This was not because of any social issue but rather because he is a successful business man in the Internet domain. Which is why I asked why no antisemitic images of Bill Gates were ever drawn?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567167/Cartoon-German-newspaper-depicting-Mark-Zuckerberg-octopus-taking-world-starkly-reminiscent-Nazi-anti-Semitic-propaganda.html

I have to say it is wrong that Facebook allows antisemitic posts to stay and removes pro-Israel pages. I cannot explain why this is the case and hope that it changes in the future.

https://www.thejewishnews.com/2014/03/26/dear-mr-zuckerberg/

http://jewsdownunder.com/2013/10/15/zuckerburg-is-in-trouble-with-the-jews/

[muman613]

While I will concede that by not removing antisemitic hate speech from Facebook the site does perpetuate antisemitism by allowing it to fester. But I don't think people who hate Zuckerberg because he is Jewish are doing so for any other reason than for having an excuse to hate Jews.

[Shlomo]

Muman, with Amalek, hating Jews is intrinsic, yes. With those individuals, nothing will sway them. But most people are not Amalek. Most people's opinions are easily changed by media, internet, and yes, Facebook.

Those people that change their minds are referred to when we hear: When Jews follow the Torah, anti-semitism decreases. When they do not follow the Torah, it increases. I learned this in Yeshiva. This is part of Judaism 101.

Zuckerberg reaches billions of people every single year. To say he has no impact on people, politics, or beliefs is defying logic and reason. He has a HUGE impact on people and his companies policies and censorship do too.

To say that Facebook or Google or Youtube or Zuckerburg has absolutely no impact at all on whether anyone has reasons to hate Jews or Israel right now - or to say that Hitler had no impact whatsoever on antisemitism in the slightest - or to say that the Pope has no impact on anti-semisitim - is just irrational and insane.

You are in love with this idea that no matter what any Jew does, it has no impact at all on anti-semitism in any way. That is a lie.

And the reason you fail to use logic is because either you are too busy defending your ego because you don't want to be wrong or you just don't want to believe that Jewish people can cause antisemitism because it hurts to much to face... but the truth is usually more difficult to accept than wishful thinking.

That's why it's important how we effect the world. And that's why we do our best to reach people. And on judgement day, Hashem will deal harshly with Zuckerberg - not just for what he's done... but for what he didn't do.

[muman613]

I think there are two issues which are being discussed here...

1) Does Mark Zuckerberg, the Jew, cause people to be antisemitic.
2) Does Facebook facilitate Jew haters to spread Jew hatred.


I believe that 2 is true and 1 is false. The only example of antisemitism I have seen in all my searches on this topic is the antisemitic image of Zuckerberg with a big nose (typical Jew hatred) and the Octopus (symbol of World Jewish Conspiracy).... In this case Zuckerberg was the recipient of Jew hatred from a German newspaper. I have not seen any other example of people hating Jews because of his involvement with Facebook except from an Iranian news site which called for banning the WhatsApp application from Iran because Zuckerberg was a Zionist tool.

Facebook does contribute to antisemitism because of its unwillingness to remove antisemitic content and it's removal of pro-Israel content. I am not sure whether this is because of Zuckerberg or because of other aspects within the Facebook organization.

Throughout history good Jews and bad Jews have borne the brunt of Jew hatred which is completely irrational. If you argue with a Jew hater to try to convince them they will continue believing falsehood even when presented with the facts.

I would appreciate it if someone could find some concrete evidence that Zuckerberg himself contributes to Jew hatred.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/04/iran-bans-whatsapp-because-link-to-american-zionist-mark-zuckerberg/

[muman613]

Shlomo,

Are you suggesting 'Good Jews' don't get subjected to antisemitism? History has shown that to be untrue.

[muman613]

Look at how Rome hated Jews before the destruction of the 2nd Temple. According to tradition the 2nd Temple was destroyed because of baseless hatred, but the Romans hated Jews because of our loyalty to tradition and our G-d. At that time millions of 'good Jews' were killed.

[muman613]

Not that I want to keep this argument rolling but I would like to add a couple of points.

Do we see that it is ok to hate all blacks because of what one, or a group of, blacks do? I don't subscribe to that idea. I can see the difference between sub-groups of blacks and single out the behavior which I consider problematic (i.e. gangsta culture) and not hate all blacks.

Same with any ethnic or religious group. I don't hate the entire faith or race, I rebuke the problematic members.

But with antisemitism, which is a plague of the mind, the entire Jewish people get tarred with a negative perception. There is no reason for this, as I said, only excuses.

What I don't understand is why some people think that antisemitism is OK for certain Jews when all of us are suffering because of it. We must fight antisemitism by showing that there is no rational reason for it.

For instance today Biden made a comment about 'Shylock' which is a denigrating term for Jewish bankers. It is a cannard that all Jews are rich and we somehow collude with the bankers to steal the money from the gentiles to give to 'zionist' causes. Biden should have considered the implications of that Jew hating term, but to him it was as natural as saying 'Don't Jew me down'...

Now I don't defend bankers... They sometimes act very immorally. But not all Jewish bankers are Shylocks. My brother worked on Wall Street for Cantor Fitzgerald, and the manager of Cantor Fitzgerald was Jewish (so was the original founder). Somehow this has become an antisemitic cannard...

[Ephraim Ben Noach]

There are muzz rats working at FB! I have a elder Jewish woman as a friend that has had her posts blocked and they put Arabic under some of them when she shares others anti muzz rat posts. ..