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When the Israeli met the 'other'


Many youngsters, who return from the traditional trip to the Far East, flirt with Arab culture. At first, the connection is unclear but it seems that the experiences in India cause Israelis to finally succeed in seeing the 'other,' not as inferior but as different

Ahiyah Enzi, India Published:  08.27.07, 20:02 / Israel Travel 




Seven months after we met on the bus to Rajasthan, Eitan and I meet again. A minute before going back to Israel he stops to visit me in Jaipur. A closure of sorts. We spoke about the same old stuff: India, Israel and the Israelis. Yet, something was different this time around, we've changed.

 

We stroll through the street of Jaipur talking about we saw and experienced. Then he nonchalantly said that he wanted to learn Arabic. Maybe even become involved in promoting the language in Israel.

 

'Other' Israelis

Israeli Backpackers in India
 
They just don’t care / Ahiyah Enzi, India
 
What hasn’t already been said about the behavior of Israeli backpackers in India? They’re rude, they’re condescending, and they don’t care. This raises some questions, such as 'Are all Israelis like that?' and more importantly, 'Do they act that way in Israel, too?'
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This is not the first time I hear it. Many Israelis return from India and express a wish to learn the language, to open Arabic seminars and meet the Arab Israeli community. Many Israelis return from India and start flirting with Arabic culture.

 

At first, the two seem unrelated. What does a trip to India have to do with Arabic? Most Muslims who live in the subcontinent don't even understand that language. So what brings some Israelis backpackers closer to the Middle Eastern culture?

 

I think the curiosity and readiness to discover the "other," the different, is awakened after spending a long period in India. The encounter with Indian culture enables us to open up towards the "other" – whoever that may be.

 

In Israel it is almost impossible, every encounter with the "other," the Arab, awakens geopolitical questions that are at the top of the national agenda. The average backpacker arrives in India after three years of army service during which, every encounter with another culture was problematic. No matter what political opinions the people have, the ever-burning fire of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is present.



Opening up to different cultures (Photo: AFP)

 

But in India things are different. India offers other options to the Israeli youngsters. There is no conflict, no struggle for land and survival. What separates the backpackers from the locals is the difference in the cultures. Some Israelis are vain and aggressive; others allow themselves to be influenced by the Indian culture and by that turn to "other Israelis."


 

Opening-up to 'others'

The Israelis are different not because they act differently than other backpackers but also because of the schism that their experience creates between them and the society they come from. Israeli society does not always understand them. Spending time in India is more than a trip or an experience, it's a lifestyle. They try to understand the Indian culture, decipher it, and decipher themselves.

 

They spend months and years in India, studying and traveling and when they return home they have a hard time settling in. Some return to India, looking for an alternative lifestyle, trying to fill the spiritual void modern society creates.

 

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I go back to the Arabic language – the desire to know another language is an attempt to trace a different culture. When the walls of politics, conflict and stereotypes are stripped off, the other is seen in all of his different glory.

 

The "other" is not bad, inferior or dirty. He is different. The same backpacker, who found Indian culture intriguing, wants to find out more about the other culture he shares his homeland with.

[newman]

OY (bloody) VEY!!!

[mord]

OY (bloody) VEY!!!

You got looney Israelis gone amock

[EagleEye]

The problem is "flirting with Arabic culture," is that right now, that culture is linked to a violent and dangerous religion.

[mord]

Thats true however Israeli culture [not Jewish culture] is so void of any Ideology ,except for the people of Yesha and nationalit religious what else do the the coffee sippers and drug addicts of dizzengoff have

[judeanoncapta]

How about flirting with Judaism and Jewish culture?

The Secular leaders in Israel are fine with anything but that.

[newman]

How about flirting with Judaism and Jewish culture?

The Secular leaders in Israel are fine with anything but that.

You got that right, JNC.

From what I've been hearing, In Israel ANY religion is just fine EXCEPT Judaism.

And what's the attraction to the stupid eastern religions? Judaism blows them all away in wisdom, spirituallity, truth......on EVERY count.

[judeanoncapta]

How about flirting with Judaism and Jewish culture?

The Secular leaders in Israel are fine with anything but that.

You got that right, JNC.

From what I've been hearing, In Israel ANY religion is just fine EXCEPT Judaism.

And what's the attraction to the stupid eastern religions? Judaism blows them all away in wisdom, spirituallity, truth......on EVERY count.

I know.

Even the Dalai Lama, who is considered to be one the greatest of all these guru types, learns, quotes and is inspired by Chassidic teaching. I have read things that he's written about the greatness of the Baal Shem Tov, Rabbi Nachman, Chabad Chassiduth.

He's the greatest of them and he is excited and stimulated by the Teachings of Judaism.

These Israelis are searching for a treasure that exists in their own backyard.

[newman]

How about flirting with Judaism and Jewish culture?

The Secular leaders in Israel are fine with anything but that.

You got that right, JNC.

From what I've been hearing, In Israel ANY religion is just fine EXCEPT Judaism.

And what's the attraction to the stupid eastern religions? Judaism blows them all away in wisdom, spirituallity, truth......on EVERY count.

I know.

Even the Dalai Lama, who is considered to be one the greatest of all these guru types, learns, quotes and is inspired by Chassidic teaching. I have read things that he's written about the greatness of the Baal Shem Tov, Rabbi Nachman, Chabad Chassiduth.

He's the greatest of them and he is excited and stimulated by the Teachings of Judaism.

These Israelis are searching for a treasure that exists in their own backyard.

That's true on many levels.

These Jews have a choice of beautiful, courageous, noble Jewesses to marry but they want shiksas!

They have the greatest, most inspiring , heroic, epic history and culture and they hate it!

They belong to the most gifted, brilliant nation that ever walked upon the Earth and they take NO pride!

They have a Bible who's prophesies keep comming true after thousands of years and they don't believe in it! A Kabballah who's curses can kill, yet they seek out yoga!!

We need Messiach or a Kahanist Government.....YESTERDAY!

[Shlomo]

These "Israelis" are the minority. The liberal media has an agenda and they think if they post this kind of garbage, that they can make a change [for the worse].

We have to be very careful when we talk about Israel and the Jewish people as a whole.

"I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12: 3).

Israel has a vast majority that are ready for our message. Yes, I hope we merit the Messiach in our lifetime!

[newman]

These "Israelis" are the minority. The liberal media has an agenda and they think if they post this kind of garbage, that they can make a change [for the worse].

We have to be very careful when we talk about Israel and the Jewish people as a whole.

"I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12: 3).

Israel has a vast majority that are ready for our message. Yes, I hope we merit the Messiach in our lifetime!

I know they're a minority.

What about the history professors in Israeli universities who spend their whole careers trying to disprove the Bible and Jewish history?

It's really amazing.

The self-hating anglo-saxon goyim are no better.

Apart from these two groups, no other culture in the world has self-hate like Jews and anglo-saxons.

[newman]

These "Israelis" are the minority. The liberal media has an agenda and they think if they post this kind of garbage, that they can make a change [for the worse].

We have to be very careful when we talk about Israel and the Jewish people as a whole.

"I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12: 3).

Israel has a vast majority that are ready for our message. Yes, I hope we merit the Messiach in our lifetime!

It's not just Israelis but Jews in general. Either a Jew is good and rightious, or completely insane. No imbetween.

You're right. Jews never do anything by halves.

[Dr. Dan]

These "Israelis" are the minority. The liberal media has an agenda and they think if they post this kind of garbage, that they can make a change [for the worse].

We have to be very careful when we talk about Israel and the Jewish people as a whole.

"I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you; and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed" (Genesis 12: 3).

Israel has a vast majority that are ready for our message. Yes, I hope we merit the Messiach in our lifetime!

Jeffguy, you are a 100% correct.  in fact, the group Appeasement Now is a teeny tiny fringe group in israel and extremely unpopular by the vast majority of Israelis.  Gd willing, we'll get Chaim in Israel very very very soon this time around...Oh how happy I'll be when he shakes everyone awake! When he gets here, Gd willing, he needs powerful people in high places and strong men to guard him because, everyone fromt he socialist left, right, and arabs will come after him physically.  It will be wise to have other similar minded leaders like Chaim, just in case, Gd forbid, something goes wrong.  When Meir Kahane was murdered, the right wing Jewish movements disappeared...we cannot afford for that to happen again.

[mord]

But the newspapers give that ugly piglike character yoram [and he is a yoram if someone here is from Israel they know what i mean]oppheimer so much publicity you would think he's the ruler of Israel

[whywhywhy]

The Israelies (and also the FBI agents) should study Arabic in order to be more efficient when they have to protect themselves.

[Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks]

Jeffguy, with all due respect, the majority of Israelis are NOT right-wing and proud right now. Most of them ARE brainwashed and desperately searching for something they can't find and can't define. We need to reach and save them with our message.

Between these drug trips to India, constant brainwashing in school and by the media, and even some rabbis telling them Arabs are their friends, these poor kids don't stand a chance.

[Ultra Requete]

It should be called the Judea not Israel, True Israel will be rebuild when all 12 tribes of Israelites will be united, the last "state of Israel" with the capitall in Samaria with its Ball woship and inter mariages was total disaster too. The chosen people are Judahites or Jews not some Israelis who want to be like other goyim states.   

[Dr. Dan]

Jeffguy, with all due respect, the majority of Israelis are NOT right-wing and proud right now. Most of them ARE brainwashed and desperately searching for something they can't find and can't define. We need to reach and save them with our message.

Between these drug trips to India, constant brainwashing in school and by the media, and even some rabbis telling them Arabs are their friends, these poor kids don't stand a chance.

CF, have even set foot in Israel in the last year and spoke to any of the natives?  You're nuts to think that is the contrary. Every other Israeli that I have spoken politics with are right wing like Chaim is right wing!

[Ultra Requete]

Jeffguy, with all due respect, the majority of Israelis are NOT right-wing and proud right now. Most of them ARE brainwashed and desperately searching for something they can't find and can't define. We need to reach and save them with our message.

Between these drug trips to India, constant brainwashing in school and by the media, and even some rabbis telling them Arabs are their friends, these poor kids don't stand a chance.

CF, have even set foot in Israel in the last year and spoke to any of the natives?  You're nuts to think that is the contrary. Every other Israeli that I have spoken politics with are right wing like Chaim is right wing!

In that case this is good for them; we will see for sure after next knesset elections.

[judeanoncapta]

A Kabballah who's curses can kill, yet they seek out yoga!!

Well, that Pulsa D'Noora certainly took care of Rabin and Sharon pretty well, didn't it.

[newman]

A Kabballah who's curses can kill, yet they seek out yoga!!

Well, that Pulsa D'Noora certainly took care of Rabin and Sharon pretty well, didn't it.

They got the mayor of Jerusalem with one in the late 60s, I heard.