Author Topic: Wendy Davis: I Aborted My Daughter ‘Out of Love’ (Read 1857 times)

Shlomo · « **on:** November 12, 2015, 04:50:04 PM »

http://jtf.org/wendy-davis-i-aborted-my-daughter-out-of-love/

Nevski · « **Reply #1 on:** November 12, 2015, 04:54:43 PM »

What is JTF's thoughts on this abortion?

Shlomo · « **Reply #2 on:** November 12, 2015, 07:56:38 PM »

Abortion is the murder of an innocent child.

angryChineseKahanist · « **Reply #3 on:** November 12, 2015, 10:00:07 PM »

Well I hope she has twice the love for herself.

angryChineseKahanist · « **Reply #4 on:** November 12, 2015, 11:03:21 PM »

OK I read the report on many news rags.
She is evil because she is using her extreme case to justify the majority of cases.

In her case, you really need to sit back and think because the unborn may be born only to soon die in misery. On the other hand, there was a child who was born just months in the womb. She was supposed to die. But she's over a year old now and she looks just like any other kid.

Now, in the majority of cases, the child is just a by-product. This is evil. And especially so when the fetus already looks like a child. I find it odd that these people can look at a sonogram ( ultrasound ) and look at their own child and still want to kill it.

Nevski · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2015, 03:33:39 AM »

What about rape victims? I don't believe every form of abortian is wrong.

angryChineseKahanist · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2015, 01:28:49 PM »

Quote from: Nevski on November 13, 2015, 03:33:39 AM

What about rape victims? I don't believe every form of abortian is wrong.

Jews don't allow abortion for rape victims.
But I'm not Jewish, so I would consider it if its done early.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2015, 02:24:34 PM »

I believe Judaism only allows abortion if the pregnancy is a threat to the mother's life medically--then it becomes a rodef since it is "pursuing Jewish blood". Chaim would know for sure.

angryChineseKahanist · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2015, 09:03:32 PM »

Quote from: Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks on November 13, 2015, 02:24:34 PM

I believe Judaism only allows abortion if the pregnancy is a threat to the mother's life medically--then it becomes a rodef since it is "pursuing Jewish blood". Chaim would know for sure.

yes. he mentions that a lot.

Rubystars · « **Reply #9 on:** November 14, 2015, 11:37:54 PM »

She's a eugenicist who believes only perfect babies should be given a chance to live apparently. The condition may have been lethal, but she should have given the baby a chance at least.

Binyamin Yisrael · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2015, 09:35:57 AM »

Remember Imerica (UMM HMM)? She said she got an abortion for the sake of her other children.

Lisa · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:49:15 PM »

Chaim is against abortion even in cases of rape, being that the baby is innocent. That's what he said to me at a JTF meeting a while back.

Nevski · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:56:22 PM »

Quote from: Lisa on November 15, 2015, 04:49:15 PM

Chaim is against abortion even in cases of rape, being that the baby is innocent. That's what he said to me at a JTF meeting a while back.

And then raise the child of your rapist. This is worse then death if you ask me.

Lisa · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2015, 05:04:33 PM »

Chaim also said in such cases the baby could be put up for adoption.

On the other hand, I don't know what Orthodox rabbis would have to say about this. There might be some difference of opinion here. But I don't believe that for Jews, life begins at the instant of conception.

Lisa · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2015, 05:08:05 PM »

Here's more from Aish, an Orthodox Jewish organization.

http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48954946.html

Tag-MehirTzedek · « **Reply #15 on:** November 15, 2015, 05:55:24 PM »

Their are different Halachic Psakim and approaches. Their is room and those who say that if the child is known to be born handicapped for life then their is room to make an abortion for a Jewish mother. Maybe even perhaps for a women who was raped, their might be room to say that their are psychological factors especially today that would ruin her life because of it. (The first I have seen written by Rabbi Melamed, the later I havn't seen written but just a thought). For non-Jews I don't know but I assume in this case its stricter against abortion according to Halacha.

Lewinsky Stinks, Dr. Brennan Rocks · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2015, 07:58:24 PM »

Quote from: Lisa on November 15, 2015, 04:49:15 PM

Chaim is against abortion even in cases of rape, being that the baby is innocent. That's what he said to me at a JTF meeting a while back.

But if the woman's life is actually in danger then it is permissible.

Lisa · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2015, 11:02:55 PM »

Yes. Because as you posted earlier, the baby becomes technically a pursuer of Jewish blood, or a rodef.

Rubystars · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2015, 03:07:03 AM »

It's not the innocent baby's fault that their father is an evil person. They don't deserve to be cut to pieces.

Israel Chai · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2015, 03:20:19 AM »

If there is any heath risk then yeah, but if it was your wife G-d forbid, it's a heath risk to get an abortion, you'd better just put them up for adoption on the other end of the country.

Rubystars · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2015, 03:53:56 AM »

Quote from: Israel Chai on November 16, 2015, 03:20:19 AM

If there is any heath risk then yeah, but if it was your wife G-d forbid, it's a heath risk to get an abortion, you'd better just put them up for adoption on the other end of the country.

Personally I don't believe "any health risk" justifies an abortion. Pregnancy itself is a health risk. Childbirth has always been and is a health risk. There has to be a direct threat to the mother's life like a tubal pregnancy to justify an abortion.