A real rabbi calls Asher (Jorge) Meza's fraud!!!

[edu]

The whole controversy reminds me of one of the reasons given for the prohibition to write down the Oral Torah.
See:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written

[Israel Chai]

What do these documents mean in layman's terms?

Well to give it all, turns out that Asher Meza is an actual convert from a Young Israel with Rabbi Lehrfield in North Miami, so someone explain me where the rules on being nice to him and stopping the spread of heresy conflict.

There are actually two smicha papers, so Rabbit Asher Meza is not only a Rabbit, he is a double Rabbit. 

The first is from someone named Jeff Seidel, who seems to like his picture taken with young attractive women and apparently is a bit off.

The second one is from someone named Kolakowski. People asked him what it was and he said he doesn't give smicha. Then more did and he said he gave him a letter so that he could teach kids for Bar Mitzvah and it was only based on this other fake smicha, so it's not a valid smicha because he gave him a fake smicha because he apparently didn't realize that his other fake smicha was fake.

[edu]

Quote from Israel Chai

Well to give it all, turns out that Asher Meza is an actual convert from a Young Israel with Rabbi Lehrfield in North Miami

You talked to the Conversion Court directly or seen some type of document from them?

Also never heard of Rabbi Lehrfield before, could anyone fill me in on his ideological beliefs?

In any case, regardless if the Meza's conversion was valid it still highlights the real problems that writing down the Oral Torah could lead to as brought down by:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written.

[Israel Chai]

Quote from Israel ChaiYou talked to the Conversion Court directly or seen some type of document from them?

Also never heard of Rabbi Lehrfield before, could anyone fill me in on his ideological beliefs?

In any case, regardless if the Meza's conversion was valid it still highlights the real problems that writing down the Oral Torah could lead to as brought down by:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written.

All I know about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmzk-pBr_Sk

and Chabad Kahanist said this: I just got a reply from the president of the Broward & Palm Beach Vaad (ORB) & he said that neither the Broward/Palm Beach Vaad nor the Miami-Dade Vaad recognizes his conversions & the only 2 rabbis recognized in the whole state are Rabbi Edward Davis of the Young Israel of Hollywood & Fort Laudedale & Rabbi David Lehrfield of the Young Israel of Greater Miami.
He said any teuda coming from Meza has as much value as a roll of Charmin.

This on youtube:

But the kabala. Te question and acceptance where if he was going to accept all rabinic decress specially friom current rabaniem since they are the ones administring his giur not the sanhedrin, so if that is the case his giur is invalid and this man is just a rembelling goy
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
Ps if he had this opinion when he was megayer that he only was going to accept rabinical decrees if they came down from the sanhedrin thwn his giur is invalid since that was asked by his giur by rabbi lehrfield if he will a epted. The halachot by our rabaniem (( not those living 2000 years ago
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
I dont know what this guy is on, but when he was still a joint smoking hooligan (duffrence now maybe not smoking a joint) eitherway who is he to attack our frum woman and compare us with arabs, ps his sources are crum, yes we doint follwo an other religion even if they are right example why we do birkas cohaniem every tefila  because the  fake msyiach  told us  we should do it (correctly in order not to give creedence to avod zara we will not do the correct thing )
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
Ps you dont believe in oral law since there is no beth din hagadol you are out of your mind
Davied Van der
Davied Van der3 years ago
Who the heck is this erev rav, his information is wrong in europe most marrieds did not cover their hair kal wechomer not children,  besides what drugs is he on, to question the raboniem and to judge rabaniem, if he loves islam so much let him convert to islam sicking

[ChabadKahanist]

Quote from Israel ChaiYou talked to the Conversion Court directly or seen some type of document from them?

Also never heard of Rabbi Lehrfield before, could anyone fill me in on his ideological beliefs?

In any case, regardless if the Meza's conversion was valid it still highlights the real problems that writing down the Oral Torah could lead to as brought down by:
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/7870/why-was-torah-shebeal-peh-not-allowed-to-be-written.

Rabbi Lehrfield is beyond reproach & his giyur & gitten are accepted by all.
As for Jorge it is questionable because to some he told Rabbi Lehrfield did the conversion & others he told Rabbi Davis did the conversion. So which is it? Why would he tell different people different things?
Rabbi Korf said neither rabbi wants anything do with Jorge.
Rabbi Korf is in a better position to give you more info because he lives near both rabbis & is friendly with both of them.

[edu]

http://jtf.org/forum/index.php/topic,83675.0.html
In the Torah section of the forum, I started a topic about a convert's soul.
I started to bring some sources, why it is not desirable to convert everyone to Judaism.
GeoAsher if you do some honest research into the subject you will discover this is also the view of the ancient Sanhedrin which you claim to abide by.

[Yerusha]

Rabbi David Katz, of Modiin who wiped the floor with Jorge, speciality is not the usual Ger Tzedek - the full convert to Judaism, but the considerably more complicated issue of the Ger Toshav - the "Resident Sojourner", mentioned 46 times in the Torah.

R.Kahane has a whole chapter on the subject in his Or Harayon.

The Ger Toshav is a spiritually evolved Noahide, or a part biologically Jewish non-Jew, who is unable or unwilling to undergo full conversion and take on the yoke of full mitzvah observance, but who nevertheless believes in Hashem and wishes to reside amongst and formally affiliate and attach himself to the Jewish People, becoming what is referred to by the Sages as its "Fourth Family".

Last year the Israel Chief Rabbinate officially recognised the status of Ger Toshav for the first time in 2,500 years, and it is surprising that this solution of the Torah for resolving the problem of the Russian olim and many others around the world, is not being advertised and pursued.

It would have been better for Jorge-Meza to have become an outstanding Ger Toshav, than a failed fake Ger Tzedek!

[Israel Chai]

Rabbi David Katz, of Modiin who wiped the floor with Jorge, speciality is not the usual Ger Tzedek - the full convert to Judaism, but the considerably more complicated issue of the Ger Toshav - the "Resident Sojourner", mentioned 46 times in the Torah.

R.Kahane has a whole chapter on the subject in his Or Harayon.

The Ger Toshav is a spiritually evolved Noahide, or a part biologically Jewish non-Jew, who is unable or unwilling to undergo full conversion and take on the yoke of full mitzvah observance, but who nevertheless believes in Hashem and wishes to reside amongst and formally affiliate and attach himself to the Jewish People, becoming what is referred to by the Sages as its "Fourth Family".

Last year the Israel Chief Rabbinate officially recognised the status of Ger Toshav for the first time in 2,500 years, and it is surprising that this solution of the Torah for resolving the problem of the Russian olim and many others around the world, is not being advertised and pursued.

It would have been better for Jorge-Meza to have become an outstanding Ger Toshav, than a failed fake Ger Tzedek!

Rav Katz is totally boss love that guy.