Austria to charge 4 soldiers for Nazi salutes

[Hail Columbia]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070906/wl_nm/austria_nazism_dc

VIENNA (Reuters) - Four Austrian soldiers face criminal charges for exchanging Hitler salutes in two videos that appeared on the Internet, Defence Minister Norbert Darabos said on Thursday.

Any display of Nazi propaganda or symbols is a crime in Austria, which took decades to acknowledge it was more a willing party than a victim of Nazi Germany's Third Reich.

In the army barracks incident captured by mobile-phone camera and posted on the video-sharing Web site YouTube, a soldier goose-steps past and stretches out his right arm in a Hitler salute. Another shouts, "Heil Hitler!"

In a statement, Darabos said an investigation found four conscript soldiers were involved. He said they would be dismissed from the military and charged by state prosecutors.

"There will be absolutely no tolerance for expressions of support for the National Socialist system. We can make no compromises here," said Darabos, a Social Democrat.

The videos were deleted from YouTube after the scandal surfaced early this week. The incident came to light during a visit by Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer to Israel.

[newman]

Nazis in krautland?

Who'd have thought. (sarasm off)

[EagleEye]

Good.  Good to be on top, lol.  Screw Nazis, they don't have rights.

[White Israelite]

Good.  Good to be on top, lol.  Screw Nazis, they don't have rights.

I don't agree with/like Nazi beliefs, but they do have rights.

Europe is already a socialist paradise, it's not just nazis there after.

[EagleEye]

I don't agree with/like Nazi beliefs, but they do have rights.

WHAT!  What's this?  You are a nazi apologist, Nazis have NO rights.

[White Israelite]

I don't agree with/like Nazi beliefs, but they do have rights.

WHAT!  What's this?  You are a nazi apologist, Nazis have NO rights.

No i'm not, in the United States, people have rights. In Europe that is a different story. Regardless if you like to believe it or not, you are allowed to say what you want in the United States. How do you think the American Nazi Party exists and that the swastika is still allowed here (though frowned upon) yet not in Europe? I am not appologizing or making excuses for anyone. That is a fact, use your freedom of speech to counter them with more facts.

[EagleEye]

Okay, but they shouldn't have rights, and if I could execute everyone one of them, I'd pull the switch in a heartbeat.

[White Israelite]

Okay, but they shouldn't have rights, and if I could execute everyone one of them, I'd pull the switch in a heartbeat.

Taking away their rights isn't going to do anything, it would probably cause pretty nasty repercussions and i'm sure it wouldn't just be neo nazis involved, remember the Soviet Union? The communists hated nazis but it wasn't just fascists they were after. The problem is once you have a government censor one groups rights, what's to stop them from censoring other rights? There are humanist atheist groups trying to get religion removed from the court rooms and what not, ever think the government may target Jews and Christians next to appease muslims? Suspicion alone doesn't constitute a crime, and I doubt the nazis will get back into power.

I'm rather surprised that you would want their rights removed though, after reading that forum you posted about, you seem to have been an active StørmFrønt member at one point. Why the change from sympathy for a neo nazi group to the JTF?

[Lisa]

I'm rather surprised that you would want their rights removed though, after reading that forum you posted about, you seem to have been an active StørmFrønt member at one point. Why the change from sympathy for a neo nazi group to the JTF?

Being that your handle is "Cohen" how on earth would you know about who used to post on StørmFrønt?  I'll just say flat out, that this is no place for Stormfronters. 

As for Nazis, we don't owe those monsters who would gladly kill all Jews, any facts or explanations.  In terms of any of them coming here, a ban would be in order. 

[EagleEye]

Well I was always fairly pro-Jew in comparison to others, and the more insane I realized others were, the more strongly I started supporting Jews.  My beef has always been with extreme leftism and phony conservatism, and I have never truly been anti-Jew.  To put things more frankly, I was a dissident, I was not truly a member, simply searching for a place to voice politically incorrect opinion.  My opinions on Jews have varied.

At one point I think I was self-hating because my father is considered Jewish and I am not, as Orthodox law goes by maternal decent.  But I think I matured past it.  If I ever wanted to convert to Judaism, I could do it anyways, so I am a gentile by choice.

[White Israelite]

I'm rather surprised that you would want their rights removed though, after reading that forum you posted about, you seem to have been an active StørmFrønt member at one point. Why the change from sympathy for a neo nazi group to the JTF?

Being that your handle is "Cohen" how on earth would you know about who used to post on StørmFrønt?  I'll just say flat out, that this is no place for Stormfronters. 

As for Nazis, we don't owe those monsters who would gladly kill all Jews, any facts or explanations.  In terms of any of them coming here, a ban would be in order. 

I've read posts on StørmFrønt in the past to keep up with my enemy. (keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer) Username Kane123123? I think that's what the users on VNNforum mentioned. I also saw it mentioned on that phobia forum he posted on.

I'm not making excuses for the Nazis, but under the system of democracy, that is how it applies in the United States. I wouldn't encourage violence on another group, however I would suggest this forum sticks to activism and fight facts with facts. The nazis are releasing documentarys week after week that denounce Zionism and the Holocaust as if it never happened. Mere censorship does nothing, we can't just shut them up and pretend it will fix the problem, because it won't. Europe has done it and the rise of National Socialism in Germany and Russia is tremendous. Clearly the majority of "youth" joining these groups are confused kids who figure that National Socialism is going to fix their problems while blaming the Jews for the leftist globalist agenda and the wars in the world, why not use our rights to our advantage and show them we're not like the leftist self hating Jews in power? They need to understand that or they (as young as they are) will listen to the corrupt propaganda and lies of our enemies without ever hearing our side of the story.

[EagleEye]

Basically, Cohen, people post on StørmFrønt to debate with people too.  Some people are placed in the opposing views section others are not.

I also have a feeling your are playing stupid on purpose, by trying to imply that I support StørmFrønt and VNN simply because I've debated other members there.  I've never supported VNN and have only debated there, and StørmFrønt quickly fell out of favor with me when I realized how sick it really was.  After that point, I simply debated.

I've posted on moot StørmFrønt, an anti-racist forum, and debated people there too.  I think I know who you are, and I think I know why you are trying to mislead people.

[White Israelite]

Basically, Cohen, people post on StørmFrønt to debate with people too.  Some people are placed in the opposing views section others are not.

I also have a feeling your are playing stupid on purpose, by trying to imply that I support StørmFrønt and VNN simply because I've debated other members there.  I've never supported VNN and have only debated there, and StørmFrønt quickly fell out of favor with me when I realized how sick it really was.  After that point, I was simply debated.

I've posted on moot StørmFrønt, an anti-racist forum, and debated people there too.  I think I know who you are, and I think I know why you are trying to mislead people.

You may feel free to research my other names then, I post as PILMAN on Israelmilitary.net and I am well known there.

Your posts indicate that you were at one time supportive of Ariel Sharons request to remove the gaza settlements and concerns over what Israel was doing. Not necessarily Anti-Jew but you did admit to being a White Nationalist. I'm a bit confused, StørmFrønt doesn't even recognize Jews as white and you have over 700 posts over there. I posted a mere 25 times before I was banned on the forum because the administrators didn't like the fact that I was posting long articles defending Israel and Zionism as well as providing facts to my sources.

On VNN you mentioned that you are not Jewish but you find it respectable for people to say "dispicable Jewish behavior". I am...confused. Did you simply lie on these forums to promote yourself into their communities? What is the real story behind this?

[EagleEye]

I don't know why you keep dragging this thread about me.  I suppose you are purposely trying to cause division.

Anyways, yes, my support for Zionism started about a year ago.  However, my opposition to StørmFrønt started before my support for Zionism.

[White Israelite]

I don't know why you keep dragging this thread about me.  I suppose you are purposely trying to cause division.

Anyways, yes, my support for Zionism started about a year ago.  However, my opposition to StørmFrønt started before my support for Zionism.

You mentioned it in another thread of yours. Do not get the idea that I defend nazis nor do I care about their lives over Jewish lives. I don't support anything they say. I am simply saying that under Democracy, our government recognizes their freedom of speech. When I say they have rights, that does not mean I recognize them as having rights as I view them as despicable people. Regardless on the fact I hate them for their political beliefs, that doesn't necessarily mean they do not have rights in the United States. Constitutionally, that right is protected. It's the same with gun laws. We cannot prohibit a Nazi from owning a gun under the constitution because of that fact, not to mention it wouldn't stop them from obtaining them illegally. Until they have committed a crime through violence, then they have not actually committed a crime under US law. In Europe, that is a different story. European laws prohibit that practice and the swastika. I am simply saying, America allows you the freedom to do anything and there is always going to be negatives to freedom of speech.

I brought up your thread, because you accused me of defending Nazis and I have read your posts on other forums out of curiosity. I am trying to understand your position because you have said one thing on one forum and another here.

[EagleEye]

But if you really have followed my posts, you'd see THOUSANDS of posts attacking neo-nazis, and THOUSANDS of posts defending zionism.

You'd also have noticed that I was banned for over a year from StørmFrønt because I debated too much, and didn't really support it.  You'd also notice that I've only debated on VNN.

Yes my views went from anti-zionist to pro-zionist, but I've been pro-zionist for long enough that you should know better.  THOUSANDS of posts here.

[MassuhDGoodName]

What's Austria going to do for a government after they arrest those giving the Nazi salute?

Must be rough trying to teach history and "dance" around the facts that Hitler was born in Austria, Austrians welcomed the Nazi invaders with open arms and celebrations, and even after they lost the war their leader Kurt Waldheim's SS Nazi past emerged.

Is Austria much changed from then?

No.

[Husar]

austria hasn't changed at all.

You as Jews should know why.

I as a Serbs know why: in klagenfurt, austria,
lives a big (if not the biggest in western europe)
NAZICROAT "COMMUNITY".
They melt with NAZIAUSTRIANS.

Efraim Zuroff went there to hunt some NAZICROATSCUM.

Not speaking about anything else,
just A BIT about the Serbian point of view,
which is mine (and Center Wiesenthal's)...........