Now how is calling someone an Ape drawing attention to the problem and counteract liberal propaganda as you said was the point of this group? "un-Torah practice of PC censorship to take hold here" really? and how Torahistuc is calling one of G-ds human creachers an ape? "They are not called apes for their skin color." so you just picked the name ape out of a hat did you? Or do you call everyone else who behaves the way you say they do also apes if Hispanic or white as well? and to "But Chaim calls the savages baboons and apes (because of their actions- not race) and it's OK with him. He knew the Rav better than all of us, too." so what? do you think i do all my closest friend wants me to do? ha if only i did i think he would fall down on his face and faint out of shock. and do you think many of the people who are close to me do all things i want them to do? Surly not or else i would not always be telling them what they should not have done or should not do or doing and telling them off when it came down to it.
No need to repeat what you said. I read it the first time but you have yet to make a good point on why we should lower ourselves and YES make a chilul HASHEM by our actions. And YES it is a chilul HASHEM with i have seen what is a chilul HASHEM and a kidush HASHEM first hand, we must not forget it is not only the nations we have to care about seeing the behavior of those who follow HASHEM but also Jews because it leads them to go away. If you think i have not heard that Jews, anyone pro-jew or a gentile who follows the 7 laws bnay noach are not a racist bigots because of things they do and say you are wrong. Since i am friends with hardly anyone religious or observant and i am always talking to Jews who ether hate Jews and dislike or hate Judaism or have just gone away. The only reason they speak to me and are alright with me is because of my actions. And by the actions i have seen here calling someone black an ape for something as little as being loud in the movies would be on the list of what would turn people away and off which makes it a CHILUL HASHEM. As far as the nations go as a whole screw them i don't give a damn as far as they think about this, but as far as a Jew or someone who can be a Ben Noach then we should watch our actions just for that. And before you say it, no i am not talking about liberal necessarily but even someone on the middle path or even someone who is right wing, this can turn them off and away.
Just out of curiosity how many blacks do you know? or are you only speaking for what you say on the news?
Firstly, we draw attention to the black problem by discussing it. Calling them apes is incidental, not central to it. If you think it's un-Torah to call one of G-d's creatures an ape then it would also be wrong to call a nazi a beast, too.....and that's BS. And yes...whites who act like ogres are called apes, too.
The point I was making about Chaim was in response to your question about what the Rav would do. Simply, Chaim is better placed to know the Ravs feelings on the matter than you or I. nIf Chaim sees no contradiction calling evil black savages apes then I don't either.
Before coming on with your holier than thou BS, I suggest you read the JTF Homepage and find out just what the majority of American negroes' attitude is to Jews and what sort of a cancer they are to society. I'd also suggest you speak to a proper orthodox Rabbi (Lubab on this forum is GREAT) and find out the proper context of Torah passages and Talmudic Law. I can assure you that it absolutely permissable for righteous Jews and gentiles to mercilessly ridicule, torment and verbally abuse anti-semites, murderers, rapists, muggers and pogromists (which describes at least 50% of negroes in America).
Lasstly, I do know blacks. My country has it's fair share. My family were also plantation owners in the South Pacific.
BTW, look at the crime stats in the USA. Blacks are 14% of the population but are responsible for 69% of the crime (much of that crime is against Jews!), so don't cry to me about what some limp-wristed cry baby MIGHT mistakenly think about our threads.
