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Offline Binyamin Yisrael

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Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« on: November 21, 2017, 09:40:13 PM »
Is it part of sexual immorality?

I think it could fit under kidnapping (a form of stealing).


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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2017, 11:21:05 PM »
Why do you even need to ask such a thing?

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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 12:25:20 AM »
I'm not asking if it's permitted. I'm asking what does it fall under? Gilui Arayot is the term for prohibited sexual relations. It refers to relations that would never be permitted, such as homosexuality, incest, or a married woman with another man. Other relations would be permitted but only if the people get married. In the case of Noahides, marriage isn't necessary.

Rape is a violent crime but I don't think it is Gilui Arayot. If the man and woman are eligeble to get married (not close relatives and the woman is single), then it would only be a violent crime, but not having sex with a prohibited partner. I think it would fit under kidnapping which is a capital offense (at least for goyim) since all the Noahide prohibitions are capital crimes even if the same crime is not a capital offense for Jews. It could be forbidden under the prohibition of murder. The whole point of this thread is to learn where the prohibition comes from, not whether rape is permitted for goyim.

The Ten Commandments contains the prohibition of kidnapping (stealing in The Ten Commandments refers to kidnapping people.). Other forms of stealing are forbidden in other places of The Torah.


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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2017, 10:14:11 AM »
One can argue that it is not part of sexual immorality because it constitutes a much worse offense. This is a violent crime which severely injures the victim.

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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 12:16:27 PM »
"Why don't you have a seat over there."

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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2017, 01:15:23 PM »
It's at least under stealing. That is the reason why when Shechem kidnapped Dina he was Hayav Mitah.
.   ד  עֹזְבֵי תוֹרָה, יְהַלְלוּ רָשָׁע;    וְשֹׁמְרֵי תוֹרָה, יִתְגָּרוּ בָם
4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked; but such as keep the law contend with them.

ה  אַנְשֵׁי-רָע, לֹא-יָבִינוּ מִשְׁפָּט;    וּמְבַקְשֵׁי יְהוָה, יָבִינוּ כֹל.   
5 Evil men understand not justice; but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2017, 01:32:13 AM »
What about sexual harassment? That is what led me to post this. See the thread about the judge in Alabama running for Senate.


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Re: Is Rape Part of The Noahide Prohibtion of Sexual Immorality?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2017, 02:19:40 PM »