The best economic way ?

[Ultra Requete]

Poland wasn't communist ?

Oficialy we were building socialism; even USSR was not Comumnist; acording to Gensek Chruschow they builded their socialism (after 45 years and 50 milions of victims) in 1960 ; Thanks G-d they run out of time in Poland; thanks to capitalism I can write post here on my new computer plagued into imperialist American internet .

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

The world would be a better place without greedy people.

[MassuhDGoodName]

Tzvi ben Roshel:  "The world would be a better place without greedy people."

I agree 100%!

And that is precisely why I should be given all of the assets accumulated by those among us so greedy that they want more and more and more all the time!

I deserve them--but they don't!

[RationalThought110]

MassuhDGoodname,


"(the greater sum of it long ago sent out of the U.S. to Communist and Muslim dictatorships; some 4 Trillion dollars of it apparently missing, unaccounted for, stolen by an individual) are hell bent on turning illegal wetbacks into their new slaves, and equally determined to starve, kill, and imprison all of the loyal American middle and lower class."


Could you explain more about this? 

[RationalThought110]

Re:  "...Socialism always involves high taxes. Taxes destroy incentive to work and make good..."

It doesn't matter how much tax is levied...What matters is the purchasing power of your remaining disposable income.

The U.S.A. currently is practicing a form of Fascism, whereby already wealthy & prosperous Corporations are subsidized by the Federal Government, as well as subsidized by State Governments in the form of waiving all taxes for Corporations in exchange for locating to States.

Where does the $ come from to subsidize the wealthy Corporations?
Why, from the taxes levied on the citizenry.

Add to the burden on the citizens the brutal illegality of the IRS, which again, has its "code" re-written constantly to waive taxes owed by Corporations (which can then rent a small store-front in Cayman Islands and legally claim that they are no longer a U.S.-based Corporation; thereby escaping Federal taxes).

Insult to injury?--Current Federal "code" gives additional "tax breaks" to each and every Corporation which will relocate to China or elsewhere, and make all of its loyal work force join the ranks of the unemployed.

As the Red Chinese Communist Party so correctly tells its masses of slave laborers..."Capitalism is in Crisis!"

Did US corporations used to not be located in the US?


The 16th amendment was established around the time of the Federal Reserve and around Woodrow Wilson's tenure as president. 


"The U.S. Constitution provides (in part):

    The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises [ . . . ] but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States [ . . . ]

The Constitution also provides (in part):

    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers [ . . . .

The Constitution further provides:

    No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken. "


I'm not sure how this should work though so could you explain how things would be if there was no IRS?


I assume these same tax breaks existed during when Bill Clinton was president?  Democrats seem to imply that they didn't have tax breaks then.  I think they're lying.

[Boeregeneraal]

Let's take this example, and should I:

G-D made his people, they Boers fend of the blacks, and reclaim their country.

Now, BIG corps control most South African mines.

So now, the new white SA government nationalizes the new mines. So now, those damned elite previous owners don't get to keep ALL of the money.

The South African government takes lets say %40 of the mines' profits (for upkeep, expansion etc), and 60% goes to the workers. That way, the workers get a hell of a lot more money!!! ANd so really, the wealth goes to the people, not freakin %80 to 1 family!

But that's the case with mines, the services sectors are a different story, and really need to be privately owned. BUT, the government needs to keep these large supermarkets etc under control!

Anyway, that's what i think, what do you think?

[Dexter]

Dexter, your idea that rich people are rich because they took money from poor people and poor people are poor because their money was taken by rich people is an idea that doesn't make sense.

Money is not inherently worth anything. It REPRESENTS value.

That is all.

Businesses provide services and products that people want and therefore they EARN money. They don't TAKE it from po' folk.

You don't live here and you don't know what is happening here .

[Eliezer Ben Avraham]

Rav Kahane mentions the economic crisis in I believe it was OUR CHALLENGE. He states that a capitalist economy without all the taxes for starting businesses would be best, because many American and World Jews would start businesses in Israel, but the taxes are too high right now. Second he states in order to overcome poverty Israel should raise money from American Jews. The Jews that paid millions of dollars to the right wingers not to destroy the infrastructure when they left gaza (only to have it destroyed by the arabs), can certainly afford to help out their fellow Jew in need. Most important though in Israel is not the economic wealth but the spiritual wealth. Here in America I see many Jews from Israel coming here. The source of the yerida epidemic is that aside from the Orthodox very few Jews in Israel consider themselves Jews, they are "Israelis" or "Humans". We must change the entire education system, our children must be taught Jewish history and Jewish values not universal ones.

[Vito]

So they have those Jokes..so ?
We have jokes that Russians stinks and more...so ?

It's a fact that it works, and no, 3 countries are no EXCEPTIONS .
In Israel only 5.2-5.5 milion are Jews, socialism is encouraging to work, and work hard, and as I said, I want Justice, Capitalism give some fat rich people the option to steal from you over and over, in the Captalism way the rich will stay rich, because they taking money from other people, and the poor will stay poor because some people are taking money from tham .

Does it make sense that 0.2 of the people will hold 90%+ of the assets in Israel ?
NO!

About the Muslim problem, read my last posts on this topic .

Socialist economies NEVER worked. What you're saying about Sweden is exactly what many American's were saying about Russia in the 1920's - "look at the Soviets". Well, look at them now.

America and Israel are not TRUE capitalist economies. America used to have a capitalist economy until traitors took power. Japan and Taiwan have much better capitalist economies.. business is booming big time there.

[Dexter]

So they have those Jokes..so ?
We have jokes that Russians stinks and more...so ?

It's a fact that it works, and no, 3 countries are no EXCEPTIONS .
In Israel only 5.2-5.5 milion are Jews, socialism is encouraging to work, and work hard, and as I said, I want Justice, Capitalism give some fat rich people the option to steal from you over and over, in the Captalism way the rich will stay rich, because they taking money from other people, and the poor will stay poor because some people are taking money from tham .

Does it make sense that 0.2 of the people will hold 90%+ of the assets in Israel ?
NO!

About the Muslim problem, read my last posts on this topic .

Socialist economies NEVER worked. What you're saying about Sweden is exactly what many American's were saying about Russia in the 1920's - "look at the Soviets". Well, look at them now.

America and Israel are not TRUE capitalist economies. America used to have a capitalist economy until traitors took power. Japan and Taiwan have much better capitalist economies.. business is booming big time there.

Sweaden is socialist since 1830, than they were rich and now they are very rich, it's a fact that the soviet union killed 30-40 milion people, you can't comapre 3 years of success near 177 years of success .

How about Norway ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/GDP_Norway_1865_to_2004.PNG

[Bodhi]

Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.

A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .

Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.

That may be true in some cases, but in the current economy there are places that people with skills, who want to work, can not find work......In that case don;t you think society has an obligation to help people.....or should people be homeless and destitute because their job was outsourced to China or India?

[Ultra Requete]

Every time socialism has been tried in the world, it has FAILED. It NEVER works.

A. Not really (Sweaden, Norway etc'), and I'm not talking about liberal socialism and democrat socialism as I said above .
B. National Socialism made Nazi Germany to an economic empire .

Germany had capitalism under (s)hitler, not socialism. They only called it that. Without free market capitalism there's no incentive to work hard. Socialism just taxes those who work to give to bums who don't.

That may be true in some cases, but in the current economy there are places that people with skills, who want to work, can not find work......In that case don;t you think society has an obligation to help people.....or should people be homeless and destitute because their job was outsourced to China or India?

Society through charity? YES; state throu corrupt and obese buerocracy? NO!

[New Yorker]

The best economic way is free-market capitalism. But with a caveat, it must be LOCAL; Goods and services provided within the same population that supports the economy works perfectly, it creates prosperity and jobs for all those involved, it's circular, the businesses create jobs, those employed create demand for the goods and services of the businesses, the businesses were accountable to both their employees and customers. That's how the founding fathers of this nation set it up, and it was spot on.

What we have now, with Globalization has screwed the whole system up, the employees are offshore, no prosperity or jobs are returned to community, the un-employed don't buy products, houses, etc. With globalization we are destroying the middle class and returning to surfdom, the very rich and the dirt poor.

Side note: Socialism is NOT the answer!

What we need is new laws, laws that treat companies that outsource as the foreign companies that they've made themselves, they should be subject to high import tarriffs like any other foreign company.

[Vito]

Sweaden is socialist since 1830, than they were rich and now they are very rich, it's a fact that the soviet union killed 30-40 milion people, you can't comapre 3 years of success near 177 years of success .

How about Norway ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/GDP_Norway_1865_to_2004.PNG

They didn't have the same economy then as they do now. Swedes weren't taxed to death as they are now. It's very expensive to start and run a business there. Sweden and Norway are filthy rich in natural resources with extremely low populations.. you don't seem to be getting the point Dexter.

[Shoshana]

The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.

I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.

I sense some animosity towards the poor.

[Shoshana]

The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.

I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.

Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.

Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.

[Ultra Requete]

The poor in rich countries are fat and rich in poor countries are fat too. Thats like in this (poor) Joke: The indian beggear to American woman tourist: I didn't eat for three day. The tourist to beggar: I envy your self control.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

The poor in rich countries are fat and rich in poor countries are fat too. Thats like in this (poor) Joke: The indian beggear to American woman tourist: I didn't eat for three day. The tourist to beggar: I envy your self control.

 

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.

I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.

Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.

Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.

Yea, look at the diets that poor people have compared to richer people. Its not a justification but poor people eat a lot of fast food, while richer people eat in fancy resturants. Also richer people have more time on their hands to exercise and do other activities while poorer people work all day. + the factor of stress, the more stress one has the more fatter one is prone to get.

[Vito]

The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.

I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.

Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.

Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.

Melangianas eat fried chicken.. that's their diet. It's not because they're poor.. they would eat the same thing if they were rich. Same with the belly rubbers, tacos, rice and beans is their cultural diet.

Italians were poor when they first came to America, but I can assure you that they weren't eating fried chicken.

[Tzvi Ben Roshel1]

is fried chicken, beans and rice bad  , maybe the fried chicken, but beans are really good for you. (protein, and dietary fiber) anyway it comes down to portion size.

[Vito]

is fried chicken, beans and rice bad  , maybe the fried chicken, but beans are really good for you. (protein, and dietary fiber) anyway it comes down to portion size.

Rice and beans is fine in moderation.. but they eat that on a daily basis. Hens the term "belly rubbers".

[Bodhi]

The poor and lower classes of America are majority obese.

I think that says something about poor being redefined in America.

Who's poor in America? Melangianas and belly rubbers and some white trash... look at their diets - fried chicken / rice, beans and tacos... of course they're going to be fat.

Could it be that those types of food are inexpensive to buy and prepare so therefore that is just what they eat because it's affordable to them? I don't know about statistics as far as poor people being fatter. Seems like quite a generalization to me.

Melangianas eat fried chicken.. that's their diet. It's not because they're poor.. they would eat the same thing if they were rich. Same with the belly rubbers, tacos, rice and beans is their cultural diet.

Italians were poor when they first came to America, but I can assure you that they weren't eating fried chicken.

Hey what have you got against fried chicken?  I like fried chicken......Of course I don't eat a bucket of the stuff every day, but.......come on?...fried chicken?...that's the problem with socialism, some buerocrat will decide that people shouldn't eat fried chicken...so they make you an outlaw and a bad guy for having a different opinion than they do about trivial things like...well fried chicken.  Then we have another person here whio wants to outlaw American football.........Maybe I enjoy watching a football game and eating some fried chicken.....so what 

[Sarah]

Fried Chicken is greasy and since it is fried isn't healthy.

[Shoshana]

Fried Chicken is greasy and since it is fried isn't healthy.

Ah, you just haven't lived until you've had some good southern fried food.   Guess you Brits don't understand!