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Mouse traps and hawkers in the mountains of the Eifel
« on: May 06, 2020, 01:22:21 PM »
There were craftsmen in the Eifel who worked with coppered wire. The Eifel mountains located near the Dutch border were a very poor area in the 19th and 20th century. They sold their products (Mousetraps, kitchen tools and cake plates locally as well as far to Great Britain. The local business was done by hawkers, who went from door to door and sold the products. In this movie of the Landschaftsverband Rheinland the grandpas and grandmas demonstrate how they did it. Very interesting. But with the industrial progress the business ended, because they could not compete with the industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE2s24w8Odk&t=1672s
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Re: Mouse traps and hawkers in the mountains of the Eifel
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2020, 04:13:09 PM »
That's because people don't have efficient manufacturing options at home. By the way, for people interested in what I'm doing that talked to me earlier, I had graphics made with AUTOCAD to show cars being manufactured automatically with the tech, so you can imagine exactly what it will be. PM me if you want to see.

I do look forward to manufacturing being an everybody thing again.
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Re: Mouse traps and hawkers in the mountains of the Eifel
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2020, 05:31:55 AM »
Interesting. Do they still speak in that secrete "Jenische Sprache"?

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Re: Mouse traps and hawkers in the mountains of the Eifel
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2020, 11:33:31 AM »
Interesting. Do they still speak in that secrete "Jenische Sprache"?

Do you mean the language that the grandpas spoke in the end of the video, when they negotiated about the price and conditions of the mouse traps? What is this for a language? Jiddisch, Frisian, medival German and Lower German I understand not perfectly, but well. But this not at all. The only parts that I understood were some answers in local dialect. This is why I know what it was about.

If they speak it today I don't know.
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Re: Mouse traps and hawkers in the mountains of the Eifel
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2020, 07:06:06 PM »
I could understand a little bit and it is definitely a German dialect. I am almost certain that at one point they said something like "beschulmen" (which if its the case may very well come from Jiddish or Hebrew 'shilum'=to pay), when they talked about payment (they also used bezahlen later).

I looked it up, and it's seems that it is a dialect that developed among a segregated class of poor, originally nomadic people. It has some influence from Jiddish. Also some Rotwelsch words are used today in German slang i.e Bulle, schmira stehen, the latter certainly originate from Hebrew.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenische_Sprache
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotwelsch


Do you mean the language that the grandpas spoke in the end of the video, when they negotiated about the price and conditions of the mouse traps? What is this for a language? Jiddisch, Frisian, medival German and Lower German I understand not perfectly, but well. But this not at all. The only parts that I understood were some answers in local dialect. This is why I know what it was about.

If they speak it today I don't know.

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Re: Mouse traps and hawkers in the mountains of the Eifel
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2020, 05:53:40 AM »
I could understand a little bit and it is definitely a German dialect. I am almost certain that at one point they said something like "beschulmen" (which if its the case may very well come from Jiddish or Hebrew 'shilum'=to pay), when they talked about payment (they also used bezahlen later).

I looked it up, and it's seems that it is a dialect that developed among a segregated class of poor, originally nomadic people. It has some influence from Jiddish. Also some Rotwelsch words are used today in German slang i.e Bulle, schmira stehen, the latter certainly originate from Hebrew.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenische_Sprache
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotwelsch

I am not shure. Either he says beschulmen or beschurlmen.

Thank you for the information. After reading, it seems, that this Jenisch speakers are ethnically Germans, that adopted a gypsy like ethnic identity in the last 500 years. In wikipedia is written even today they are there. Althrough I never met one.

The different speakers use Jenisch language to different extend and even switch between the Rhineland dialect and Jenisch back and forth.

Bulle and Schmira (Schmiere) are really common words today. Never out of fashion. Even Arab criminals use it today.  :::D
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